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| 13:01 | <@Emmy> | hmmmmh |
| 13:20 | <@Emmy> | ...Awww crap. Due to some kind of lag i accidentally closed the current copy of my project, instead of just the older version i had grabbed for reference. |
| 13:20 | <@Emmy> | ...without savign |
| 13:20 | <@Emmy> | *saving |
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| 13:29 | <@catadroid> | ...I think I might be burned out |
| 13:31 | <@celticminstrel> | o.o |
| 13:32 | <@catadroid> | I'm finding I need to be very careful with when I code and what |
| 13:45 | <@celticminstrel> | Eh? |
| 13:47 | <@Emmy> | Hmmmh :( |
| 13:49 | | * TheWatcher stabs the fucking jenkins developers in the fucking head |
| 13:49 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh? |
| 13:49 | <@TheWatcher> | Would it kill these twazzocks to write any sodding useful documentation at all?! |
| 13:52 | <@catadroid> | Yes |
| 13:54 | <@TheWatcher> | Right now I'd be happy just to have a swagger UI page to use. But they can't even manage that |
| 13:55 | <@Emmy> | Documentation? Whazzat? |
| 14:03 | <@Emmy> | Hmmmh. if this continues i might have to start some documentation myself. |
| 14:03 | <@Emmy> | I think i crossed the 1000 lines a while ago. |
| 14:04 | <@Emmy> | Plenty of comments, but still. For an Access Database? |
| 14:35 | <@catadroid> | ...I am not a fan of python |
| 14:55 | | * TheWatcher hairpulls, decides to sod it and just mechanise the sodding form submission |
| 14:57 | <@TheWatcher> | Hey, what do you know, if you pretend it's 1998 again, it all suddenly works! |
| 15:00 | | * Emmy steals TheWatcher's sods and uses them to lay a pretty lawn. |
| 15:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Useless gowksucking glaikit twazzocks |
| 15:02 | <@Emmy> | XD |
| 15:08 | <@Emmy> | Are you scottish, TheWatcher? |
| 15:08 | <@TheWatcher> | Half Scottish, half English, half American. |
| 15:09 | <~Vornicus> | half bear. |
| 15:09 | <@TheWatcher> | Only when working with Java. |
| 15:13 | <@Emmy> | Oh, how i'm half wolverine when bugfixing. :P |
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| 15:30 | <@Emmy> | humh. apparently there is no such thing as a somecontrol.hasfocus property in VBA. |
| 15:30 | <@Emmy> | annoying. |
| 15:35 | <@Emmy> | ...and of course, the only alternative, checking if me.activecontrol refers to the control you need to know about, is a total clusterfuck. |
| 15:47 | <@Emmy> | Hmmmh. |
| 15:47 | <@Emmy> | Time to stop breaking my head over this thing for a while and go home. |
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| 20:32 | < jeroud> | catadroid`: Why do you not like Python? |
| 20:32 | < jeroud> | (There are many legitimate reasons to not like it, but there are also a few symptoms of "you're doing it wrong" that manifest as pain.) |
| 20:34 | < jeroud> | Also, be careful with burnout. |
| 20:35 | < catalyst> | Careful? |
| 20:35 | < jeroud> | I've found that it helps to take a break from anything that looks like it's heading me down that path. |
| 20:35 | < jeroud> | Rather than trying to power through. |
| 20:36 | < jeroud> | (My experience may not generalise, but I think the broad strokes do.) |
| 20:36 | < catalyst> | I feel sick looking at the code, but that's also related to external stress |
| 20:36 | < jeroud> | Definitely take a break then. |
| 20:37 | < jeroud> | Almost all my burnout has been driven by external stress. |
| 20:37 | < jeroud> | Does this affect work stuff and not-work stuff to the same degree? |
| 20:38 | < jeroud> | Also, if talking about it isn't helping you can tell me to shut up and I will. |
| 20:40 | < catalyst> | I just hate feeling useless |
| 20:41 | < catalyst> | Honestly, I've been thrown into a large system I'm unfamiliar with, with a GUI system I'm unfamiliar with and a language I've not used since 2007, and I'm just about getting by outside of work, so I should give myself some slack |
| 20:41 | < jeroud> | catalyst: In general or about something specific? |
| 20:41 | < jeroud> | Because there are two very different solutions to those. |
| 20:41 | < catalyst> | Like, this is fairly simple code to write, I just can't hold enough in my head to be able to do it |
| 20:41 | < jeroud> | (Neither is particularly quick or easy.) |
| 20:42 | < jeroud> | catalyst: Welcome to my world. I can hold very little state in my head. |
| 20:42 | < jeroud> | I solve that in my own code by aggressively localising complexity. |
| 20:43 | < catalyst> | It's just... it's like I just sit there and stare at it |
| 20:43 | < catalyst> | I've had this before |
| 20:43 | < catalyst> | I just need to make sure I make myself useful in other ways |
| 20:43 | < jeroud> | I deal with it in other people's code by being slow and methodical and trying to understand little pieces at a time instead of tackling the big picture. |
| 20:44 | < jeroud> | For more general feelings of uselessness, my advice would be to find something overtly useful to do from time to time, like volunteering at a local animal shelter. |
| 20:46 | < jeroud> | (To be honest, I tend to deal with it in certain kinds of code by getting angry and ranting and sometimes hitting things.) |
| 20:47 | < jeroud> | (But that's pretty much only in code with terrible accidental architecture made entirely out of implicit global mutable state.) |
| 20:48 | < jeroud> | (Which is to say about half the Ruby code I've had to hack into usefulness.) |
| 20:49 | < catalyst> | The problem is just that I'm emotionally very tired and tied up thinking about various things |
| 20:49 | < catalyst> | So there's no space left to code with |
| 20:49 | < jeroud> | Maybe take a break? |
| 20:50 | < jeroud> | I've been known to take mental health days from time to time. |
| 20:50 | < jeroud> | Like sick days, but for my brain. |
| 20:51 | < catalyst> | I really want to |
| 20:51 | < jeroud> | I usually spend a day's leave or something on it, but with very little notice. |
| 20:53 | < jeroud> | Another thing I've been getting less bad at over the last few years is letting go of other people's deadlines and priorities. |
| 20:59 | | * catalyst nods |
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| 20:59 | < catalyst> | I've done really well at delegating lately |
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| 21:09 | < jeroud> | I have a really great team and I almost never need to actually delegate anything. |
| 21:10 | <@abudhabi> | Delegate more anyway? :V |
| 21:12 | < jeroud> | My problem is more making sure they don't take on too much and work longer hours than is healthy. |
| 21:16 | < jeroud> | I also seem to have found myself basically running the team. |
| 21:40 | <@celticminstrel> | I really don't see why it's required to omit "static" when defining class members. |
| 22:28 | < catadroid`> | ? |
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| 22:28 | < catadroid> | How do you mean? |
| 22:30 | <@celticminstrel> | If you define a static class member out of line, you're required to omit the static keyword from the definition; it only appears in the declaration. |
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