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| 11:27 | < catadroid> | Today's feedback on the tool I orchestrated the creation of last week - "is exactly what we need, I think we're about to collapse into a happy-weeping mess onto each other" |
| 11:27 | <@TheWatcher> | \o/ |
| 11:27 | <@TheWatcher> | Awesome! |
| 11:28 | < catadroid> | "It's like a puppy. I want to keep it with me all of the time, and hug it and shout about it and show pictures of it to EVERYONE" |
| 11:28 | < catadroid> | tl;dr they like it and I'm feeling hella boss |
| 11:29 | <@TheWatcher> | So, what is the tool? Or is that something you can't talk about? |
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| 11:32 | < catadroid> | It tracks the creation process of some of our microtransaction items for production |
| 11:33 | < catadroid> | Which was previously rather opaque and relied on individual developers communicating |
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| 12:27 | <~Vornicus> | hail catadroid, hero to developers |
| 12:30 | < catadroid> | <3 |
| 12:30 | < catadroid> | This is why i find it weird that I lack self confidence |
| 12:33 | <~Vornicus> | you know doruk, right |
| 12:36 | <~Vornicus> | who is pretty awesome at art. ...whose nick was very often LousyArtist |
| 12:37 | | * simon grumbles |
| 12:38 | <@simon> | you know when you buy a new graphics card and you wanna plug it in, and you realize that Dell delivered a PSU without any graphics card power outlets from the PSU? |
| 12:38 | <@simon> | they have PCIe slots. just not any chords or slots in the PSU for supporting stuff you might wanna attach to a PCIe port. |
| 12:39 | <@TheWatcher> | These days I think that dell are just seeing how long they can manage to just troll everyone. |
| 12:40 | <@simon> | on the other hand, it has an 1100W PSU and room for another 6 HDDs. would it be possible to transform those outlets into one that works for a PSU with the right wiring? or is this a slippery slope to becoming a mad scientist? |
| 12:40 | <@simon> | yeah |
| 12:41 | <@simon> | I tried to unscrew the side of the chassis. they kind of made one side extremely easy to detach and the other side (that accesses the PSU hiding between the back-side of the motherboard and the other chassis side) extremely difficult. |
| 12:42 | <@TheWatcher> | "Molex to PCIe adapter" or "SATA Power ot PCIe" are search terms you want |
| 12:42 | <@TheWatcher> | s/ot/to/ |
| 12:42 | <@simon> | I think they have screws on the inside, so I have to remove the motherboard, remove the platform it rests on, and then remove the inner screws. but the manual doesn't mention where exactly the screws are, so I'm reluctant to waste a bunch of hours taking the server completely apart. |
| 12:42 | <@simon> | TheWatcher, great. thanks. |
| 12:43 | <@TheWatcher> | Just be warned: if the graphics card pulls a lot of current, you may end up with problems |
| 12:47 | <@simon> | yes |
| 12:47 | <@simon> | so I wouldn't wanna split the power chord from the PSU to e.g. the motherboard *and* the graphics card |
| 12:47 | <@simon> | the graphics card is a Titan X. I think I can safely assume that it pulls a lot. |
| 12:48 | <@simon> | TheWatcher, is it generally advisable to not split a power chord from the PSU to e.g. a raid controller and then to the PSU? as in, go straight from the source if possible? |
| 12:51 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah, you want to go right from the PSU to the adapter, and if there's multiple molex connectors along the cable, only use the one for the adapter and don't use any of the other connectors on the cable for anything else. |
| 12:56 | <@simon> | gosh. reading on the internet, it really sounds like this isn't doable. the power supply is connected to this power control board that really wasn't built to handle individual modules that take this much. I think the graphics kit from dell involves some slightly different power supply hardware. |
| 12:58 | <@Azash> | https://theintercept.com/2016/08/14/nsa-gcsb-prism-surveillance-fullman-fiji/ |
| 13:00 | <@simon> | so our old buildserver has a PCIe port that says "SLOT2_PCIe3X16 75W +EXT225W". does this indicate that it can't handle a graphics card that advertises a 250W power usage? |
| 13:03 | <@simon> | ah, I suppose it means that the PCIe port itself delivers the 75W, and an extended 225W is supported... |
| 13:03 | <@simon> | so small cards don't need their own power chords. |
| 13:11 | <@simon> | okay, last numbnuts question: is there a 6-pin to 6-pin-and-8-pin converter cable? |
| 13:14 | <@simon> | okay, I've got a 6-pin splitter, and I can see there are 6-pin-to-8-pins. |
| 13:14 | <@simon> | I've read that the last two pins are grounds. |
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| 14:01 | < catadroid> | I've been praised for work today can I just go home instead of doing an afternoon thanks |
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| 14:51 | <@celticminstrel> | Kind wish std::bitset had a .fill or similar function to set a range of bits. I mean, sure there's |=, but that means I need a separate bitset as the mask, so it only defers the problem. |
| 14:51 | <@celticminstrel> | It's also not iterable, so <algorithm> stuff won't work. |
| 14:53 | < catadroid> | Pff, just use std::vector<bool> instead~ |
| 14:53 | <@celticminstrel> | Don't need variable size. |
| 14:53 | <@celticminstrel> | (Or want it, even.) |
| 15:05 | <@simon> | vectors have variable sizes? |
| 15:06 | <@simon> | what's the C++ equivalent of tuples, then? |
| 15:06 | <@simon> | std::tuple<T>? |
| 15:06 | <@celticminstrel> | Or structs. :P |
| 15:06 | <@simon> | right ;) |
| 15:08 | <@TheWatcher> | celticminstrel: eh, just write your own bitset that has fill and can be iterated, then? *shrug* |
| 15:08 | <@celticminstrel> | That sounds like too much work. |
| 15:09 | <@celticminstrel> | (Anyway, if it had fill I don't think I would need it to be iterable.) |
| 15:09 | < catadroid> | You could write begin and end and your own iterator on top of bitsets |
| 15:10 | <@celticminstrel> | True. |
| 15:12 | <@simon> | catadroid, what do you code at work ATM? |
| 15:14 | | * simon just spent several hours debugging something that apparently wasn't a bug. I hate it when people don't understand the intended behaviour of our system, but I hate it more when *I* don't. |
| 15:16 | < catadroid> | Tools - I tend to define work for internal tools for others to implement, design the GUI layout and such for C#/WPF and manage those releases |
| 15:16 | <@simon> | earlier today I made a feature for which the review ended up being a discussion among two of my bosses if we even needed it. turned out the guy who'd requested it couldn't explain how it worked, the guy who justified the choice didn't know why we needed it, and the guy who knew how to make it didn't think it was a good idea. :P |
| 15:16 | < catadroid> | Also I do a lot of our core engine C++ bits |
| 15:16 | < catadroid> | Containers and the like |
| 15:17 | < catadroid> | Which is why I know so much about std |
| 15:17 | <@simon> | ok. that's sort if nice. |
| 15:17 | <@simon> | s/if/of/ |
| 15:17 | < catadroid> | Yeah, most of my code is low level systems but the most important part of my job is empathising with content developers, heh |
| 15:18 | < catadroid> | Also that sounds like the feature was, to use the technical term, somewhat of a clusterfuck |
| 15:18 | <@simon> | it is. but the boss wants it! |
| 15:19 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, well, that makes it all better then |
| 15:19 | < catadroid> | There is a std::tuple but the idioms for using it are kind of meh |
| 15:20 | <@simon> | it's a button on the intranet site that creates some dummy content, sends an email with a link back to the intranet (with a hard-to-guess identifier in the URL), and lets one update a data structure. my boss wanted the extra email as a layer of 'security' in case someone obtained an account with the right access level on the intranet. this way they need to hack the mail server, which I'm pretty sure is much ea |
| 15:20 | <@simon> | sier anyways. |
| 15:21 | <@TheWatcher> | ... wha |
| 15:21 | <@simon> | yeah. |
| 15:22 | <@simon> | but really, I don't care. I just made the feature and my one boss is happy and my superior co-worker thinks it's stupid, but I'll leave the arguing to them. ;) |
| 15:23 | <@simon> | put a keylogger on any of our computers, or install an access point on our LAN and do a subnet scan to find the right Windows share with a poorly password-protected excel file with all the passwords in it... |
| 15:23 | <@simon> | or just social engineer the cheap web host provider that handles mail. I'm sure there are so many attack vectors that beat this one. |
| 15:25 | <@TheWatcher> | Honestly, the instant you say "Intranet" it's basically spiders all the way down anyway~ |
| 15:37 | <@Azash> | Uhhhh |
| 15:37 | <@Azash> | To use a clichéd phrase from questionable people.. Happening? https://theshadowbrokers.tumblr.com/ |
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| 15:41 | < ToxicFrog> | it compiles \o/ |
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| 16:23 | < catadroid> | IT LIVES |
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| 18:39 | <&[R]> | <catadroid> This is why i find it weird that I lack self confidence <-- It's the Dunning-Kruger (sp?) Effect, just at the opposite end of the stream. |
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| 18:41 | <@Alek> | isn't it called the Poe effect, where good artists are the harshest critics of their own work and lack confidence in it? |
| 18:41 | <@Alek> | artists/writers/other creative people |
| 18:41 | <@Alek> | ok, maybe it's not limited to those who are good. :P |
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| 19:09 | < ToxicFrog> | Alek: Poe's Law is something totally different; I've never seen a Poe Effect. |
| 19:10 | <&McMartin> | The reverse Dunning-Kruger is "imposter syndrome" |
| 19:19 | <@Alek> | TF: *shrugs* I suppose I thought of it because of Megatokyo's Poe. |
| 19:19 | <@Alek> | who is an often cited example of what I meant. |
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| 20:15 | <&[R]> | McMartin: except the DK effect covers both ends. |
| 20:15 | <&[R]> | It's just the one end is the one that gets the most discussion |
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| 20:53 | <@abudhabi> | I don't understand the allure of podcasts. |
| 20:53 | <@abudhabi> | At least with video, I get to look at something while I hear unscripted rambling. |
| 20:57 | < ToxicFrog> | abudhabi: "unscripted"? |
| 20:57 | < ToxicFrog> | Also, the allure of podcasts for me is something to listen to during my commute. |
| 20:57 | <@abudhabi> | The types of podcasts I keep encountering is basically unedited talks between two or more people. |
| 20:58 | <@abudhabi> | Maybe my sample is just bad. |
| 20:59 | <@abudhabi> | Seeing as I don't really have a use case, since my commute is 6 minutes on a bicycle. |
| 20:59 | <@abudhabi> | -Seeing as |
| 20:59 | <@abudhabi> | Not sure what my train of thought was going there. |
| 20:59 | <@abudhabi> | *where |
| 21:00 | < ToxicFrog> | Yeah, my point of comparison for podcasts is stuff like Welcome to Night Vale (scripted radio play, 20-25 minutes per episode) and 99 Percent Invisible (well-researched discussions of architecture and design) |
| 21:00 | < ToxicFrog> | I'm not sure where the "unscripted, pointless rambling" podcasts are meant to appeal |
| 21:03 | <&[R]> | <ToxicFrog> Also, the allure of podcasts for me is something to listen to during my commute. <--that's what my brother does too. Mind you, he also used to be a traveling repair tech, thus he was driving for several hours... |
| 21:08 | <@Alek> | "unscripted rambling" podcasts take their inspiration from radio talk hosts. |
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| 22:27 | < ToxicFrog> | Yeah, my commute is about 25 minutes most days |
| 22:42 | | * catalyst sits on ToxicFrog's shoulders |
| 22:47 | | * ToxicFrog catahats |
| 22:51 | < catalyst> | :3 |
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