| --- Log opened Tue Jul 12 00:00:23 2016 |
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| 13:22 | <@Emmy> | Oh FUCK. |
| 13:22 | <@Emmy> | I think i miiiight just have found the solution to something that's been causing me a lot of wasted time the past month or so |
| 13:23 | <@Emmy> | I finally found out how to actually get my dirty coding mitts on the FileSystemObject with Access |
| 13:23 | <@abudhabi> | Remove the extra negation? :V |
| 13:25 | <@Emmy> | 'cause a lot of "how do you manipulate files hurrdurr" tutorials and questions on the net just simply go "well you take the FileSystemObject and you do X" |
| 13:25 | <@Emmy> | But nothing actually told how or where to find said FSO. |
| 13:27 | <@Emmy> | Turns out it's an object in the M$ Scripting Runtime, which is not automatically referenced in an Access Object. |
| 13:28 | <@Emmy> | in an Access Project i mean |
| 13:28 | <@Emmy> | mental autocorrect clippy went "Don't you mean 'object'?" |
| 13:29 | <@Emmy> | Some day soon I'll start communicating with humans by just spitting out lines of object-oriented code. |
| 13:35 | <~Vornicus> | hooray |
| 13:37 | | pjdelport is now known as Pi |
| 13:37 | <@Emmy> | Watch out, Vornicus, i might just accidentally reprogram Bawt/Bawtette into sentience one day |
| 13:38 | <@Emmy> | and then we'll be sorry |
| 13:42 | <@Emmy> | Either that, or very horny, depending on how much your fetishes coincide. But i wouldn't count on it. |
| 13:46 | <@abudhabi> | lol l@@k it's Emmy |
| 13:51 | <@Emmy> | ? |
| 13:53 | <@abudhabi> | shadowfax. |
| 13:53 | <@abudhabi> | The oldies should recall. |
| 13:54 | <~Vornicus> | man, shadowfax |
| 13:54 | <~Vornicus> | shadowfax was amazing, he once passed the turing test for half an hour |
| 13:54 | <@celticminstrel> | Huhwhat. |
| 13:55 | <~Vornicus> | Someone went into #nightstar_bar, started conversing with shadowfax, and it took them half an hour to realize they were talking to a bot. |
| 13:56 | <@Emmy> | lol |
| 13:56 | <@celticminstrel> | Wait, are there more than one turing test? |
| 13:56 | <@celticminstrel> | I was thinking about turing completeness or something. |
| 13:57 | <@Emmy> | The turing test, simply put, is whether an (artificial) intelligence can or cannot convince another sentient of its' sentience. |
| 13:58 | <@Emmy> | afaik. my explanation or understanding might be a bit off. |
| 13:58 | <@celticminstrel> | So nothing to do with turing completeness? |
| 13:58 | <@TheWatcher> | No |
| 13:58 | <@TheWatcher> | It's an AI/natural language processing challenge. |
| 13:58 | <@celticminstrel> | Okay. |
| 14:00 | <@Emmy> | though arguably an artificial intelligence, as we can think of, would need to be turing complete to pass the turing test. |
| 14:01 | <@Emmy> | or, most accurately, it would be if it can, not necessarily need to be to be able. (correlation not causation) |
| 14:01 | <@TheWatcher> | (The original version of the turing test was that there'd be two participants in a text-only conversation - a human and an AI - and an observer who can only see the text of the conversation, not who wrote it. If the observer of the conversation can not reliably tell the AI from the human, the AI has passed the test) |
| 14:02 | <@TheWatcher> | (this has been modified several times since Turing proposed it, but the general idea is the same) |
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| 15:00 | <@Emmy> | Oh hey, hours of puzzling on the exact syntax needed with T&E has finally taught me the syntax. |
| 15:01 | <@Emmy> | apparently i needed to write "shit = FSO.MoveFolder(crap,manure)" |
| 15:02 | <@Emmy> | WHY do i need to make an = statement out of a method, vba. WHY. |
| 15:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Huh? |
| 15:02 | <@celticminstrel> | You can't just ignore the return value? |
| 15:04 | <@Emmy> | Well yes, i can of course. It's null/zero length/nothing anyway, but its utterly silly that it's necessary. |
| 15:42 | <@simon_> | hmm |
| 15:42 | <@simon_> | any C-sharpers here? |
| 15:42 | | * Emmy sharpens simon_'s C for him |
| 15:43 | <@simon_> | I have the impression that C# is really kind of dull. usually, when you need to advertise something in the name, it's because it's lacking rather than being there. ;) |
| 15:43 | <@Emmy> | Anyway. Woohoo! my project is DONE! |
| 15:43 | <@Emmy> | NO more bitching about Acces/VBA for now. :D |
| 15:43 | <@simon_> | like "The Democratic Republic of Congo". |
| 15:43 | <@simon_> | congrats! |
| 15:43 | <@Emmy> | and, time to go home! |
| 15:43 | <@celticminstrel> | Yay home. |
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| 15:44 | <@simon_> | I'm failing to create an TLS 1.2 connection with a WebException "The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel." - inspecting with Wireshark, I get both a "TLSv1.2 Client Hello" and a "TLSv1.2 Server Hello, Certificate, Server Hello Done" |
| 15:44 | <@simon_> | so at some point after Wireshark having generated a "Server Hello Done" message, and me getting a WebException with "The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel.". |
| 15:47 | <@TheWatcher> | cert validation problem? |
| 15:47 | <@simon_> | yeah, I was thinking so. but adding 'this._request.ServerCertificateValidationCallback = (sender, cert, chain, sslPolicyErrors) => true;' does nothing. doesn't even get called. |
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| 15:49 | <@simon_> | maybe my C# is missing a root cert, and maybe there's a way for this callback to actually get called. |
| 15:50 | <@TheWatcher> | Try `ServicePointManager.ServerCertificateValidationCallback += (sender, cert, chain, sslPolicyErrors) => true;` |
| 15:51 | <@simon_> | tried both, actually. |
| 15:51 | <@TheWatcher> | Blegh |
| 15:51 | <@simon_> | I'll try both simulaneously, and I'll try and use { return true; } and set a breakpoint there. just to be completely pedantic. |
| 15:52 | <@simon_> | some people report that this callback only gets called on success, which is sort of pointless. |
| 15:53 | < catadroid> | Damn. Right now I just want to write LISP. Maybe I should take up emacs as a martial art |
| 15:54 | <@TheWatcher> | Join us, join us, join us nowwww. |
| 15:54 | <@simon_> | catadroid, I just want to write OCaml and Haskell. |
| 15:55 | <@simon_> | I'm going to play with the MirageOS tutorials in a few days. |
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| 15:59 | <@simon_> | and build myself a unikernel. I just don't know what for yet. ^_^ |
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| 17:18 | < catadroid`> | It's quite incredible just how different my model of programing is compared to about three weeks ago |
| 17:18 | < ASCII> | Oh? |
| 17:19 | < catadroid`> | Rich Hickey's talks on value/identity dichotomy and using clojure have changed how coding feels qualitatively for me |
| 17:19 | < ASCII> | And I know just enough c# to make HLSL confusing. |
| 17:21 | | * catadroid` has spent about fifteen years of her life becoming an expert in C++ and now finds its general approach rather backward |
| 17:21 | | catadroid` is now known as catadroid |
| 17:22 | < catadroid> | Doesn't mean i can't effectively use it, just something clicked and now I see the world differently |
| 17:26 | < ASCII> | I'm trying to decide on a simple game I can make with a space theme. |
| 17:26 | < ASCII> | Just to use all these planet shaders in something |
| 17:26 | < ASCII> | I do everythign so backwards >.> |
| 17:33 | < catadroid> | Hehe, that doesn't seem backwards exactly |
| 17:33 | < catadroid> | I started learning clojure and I'm immediately building a UI library |
| 17:33 | < catadroid> | You tend to code to what you know |
| 18:29 | < ToxicFrog> | ASCII: yet another spacewar implementation? |
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| 19:03 | < ASCII> | Nah. |
| 19:04 | < ASCII> | I mean, that would be in my capabilities but I don't see me adding anything new to the formula |
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| 20:56 | | * Derakon does a bunch of refactoring so he can split the GUI from the program logic, goes from one 743-line file to one 465-line file and one 559-line file. |
| 20:56 | <&Derakon> | Oh, well... |
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| 21:18 | <&McMartin> | How much of that is blanks/comments? |
| 21:19 | <&Derakon> | 139 and 168, respectively. |
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| 22:20 | < ASCII> | ...actually, I think I DID write a spacewar clone in flash years ago |
| 22:20 | <@Reiv> | spacewar! |
| 22:20 | <@abudhabi> | Warspace! |
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| 22:28 | <&McMartin> | ASCII: Planetary Sokoban! |
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| 22:45 | < ASCII> | ... |
| 22:47 | | * ASCII banishes McMartin to Ahnonay |
| 22:47 | <&McMartin> | Lensman Planetary Billiards |
| 23:05 | < ASCII> | ...make that Space Ahnonay. |
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| 23:53 | <&McMartin> | I keep misreading that as I flip through channels |
| 23:53 | <&McMartin> | Now we have Phoenix Wright: Space Attorney |
| 23:54 | <@Reiv> | That would be a thing of beauty |
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