| --- Log opened Mon Jun 20 00:00:33 2016 |
| 00:30 | <&McMartin> | "Smalltalk-71 was created by Kay in a few mornings on a bet that a programming language based on the idea of message passing inspired by Simula could be implemented in "a page of code."[2]" |
| 00:32 | <@Reiv> | what |
| 00:33 | < catadroid> | :3 |
| 00:34 | < catadroid> | I've had some insights into how to write multithreaded code this weekend, but my brain hasn't been calm enough to implement anything |
| 00:34 | | * catadroid sighs |
| 00:37 | <&McMartin> | Reiv: Behold, the initial source of the object system used in Python :3 |
| 00:37 | <&McMartin> | (from 10,000 feet, anyway) |
| 00:37 | <@Reiv> | lordie lordie |
| 00:38 | <&McMartin> | But yeah, I'm not super-surprised by that; Objective-C modeled itself very strongly on Smalltalk... |
| 00:38 | <&McMartin> | ... and the Objective-C runtime - that is, the part the compiler uses to implement the superset of C that it is - is maybe three C functions |
| 00:38 | <&McMartin> | And a bunch of supporting ones that help optimize it. |
| 00:39 | | * catadroid suspects Rust has the right idea with lifetimes but doesn't actually go far enough |
| 00:40 | < catadroid> | Because I think the... JVM LISP guy who's name and language I can't remember, it's right when he talks about values being disconnected from identity in anything other than a single threaded context |
| 00:40 | < catadroid> | Is* |
| 00:41 | < catadroid> | We've taught all programmers that a memory address is synonymous with the value it holds, when that's just not true with many cores |
| 00:42 | < catadroid> | So perhaps the thing to do is to model epochal time by making memory frozen after its been initially constructed, ie when you first create a shared view onto it |
| 00:43 | < catadroid> | Because that also ends up being effectively lockless in many cases |
| 00:43 | < catadroid> | I need to think a lot more about this before it crystallises properly though |
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| 05:56 | <@Azash> | https://screeps.com/ |
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| 08:15 | <&McMartin> | Woo |
| 08:15 | <&McMartin> | This took for-freaking-ever to write. |
| 08:15 | <&McMartin> | But I've done the first article in the series, finally. |
| 08:15 | <&McMartin> | https://bumbershootsoft.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/object-oriented-programming-at- the-bare-metal/ |
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| 12:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | catadroid`: JVM Lisp guy: Rich Hickey? |
| 12:11 | <@abudhabi> | Decent, cheap drone. Suggestions? |
| 12:20 | <@gnolam> | Requirements? |
| 12:20 | <@abudhabi> | Hm. |
| 12:21 | <@abudhabi> | Office buddies want to race or some shit. I expect I need it to be not the slowest thing in the world, and given my poor coordination, easily controlled. |
| 12:21 | <@abudhabi> | Probably something that can stay in the air more than a couple of minutes. |
| 12:21 | <@abudhabi> | Swappable batteries would be cool. |
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| 21:38 | <@celticminstrel> | Firefox's memory usage just keeps going up. Now the virtual+real adds up to almost 9 GB. |
| 21:38 | <&McMartin> | Sounds like a leak |
| 21:38 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh wait, it's exactly 9 now. |
| 21:39 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't think it's because I have lots of pages open. If I only count pages that have loaded, then I think there's only 10-20. |
| 21:42 | <@celticminstrel> | Okay, closer to 30. |
| 21:46 | <@Alek> | firefox is notoriously leaky. has been for years. |
| 21:46 | <@Alek> | chrome is starting to get there too, but I've been running dozens of tabs across multiple windows for weeks at a time. hardly ever leaking. |
| 21:47 | <@Alek> | actually. come to think of it. sometimes a new chrome update will make it leak more, but there WILL be a fix soon after. :P |
| 21:48 | <@celticminstrel> | But Chrome can't handle more than about 50 tabs without them becoming too small to see. |
| 22:00 | <@gnolam> | Eh. Usually, when you dig into it it turns out to be "But I don't have that many tabs open. Only, like, 200-300.". |
| 22:01 | <@gnolam> | When it's not that it's usually a misbehaving add-on. |
| 22:01 | <@celticminstrel> | Hmm. |
| 22:01 | <@celticminstrel> | I wonder if there's a way to detect if it's an addon other than just disabling all of them. |
| 22:04 | <~Vornicus> | I'm trying to figure out how someone can manage 20 tabs of brain space. |
| 22:05 | <~Vornicus> | I have trouble with like 6. |
| 22:05 | <@celticminstrel> | I just leave things open to come back to them later. |
| 22:10 | <&[R]> | Chrome likely handles it better due to it seperating by processes since day 1. Firefox /just/ got that feature. |
| 22:11 | <@celticminstrel> | Just? |
| 22:11 | <@celticminstrel> | In what version? |
| 22:11 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm still on 46. |
| 22:12 | <&[R]> | Correction, it's still in the dev versions only. |
| 22:12 | <@celticminstrel> | Ah. |
| 22:12 | <&[R]> | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Multiprocess_Firefox |
| 22:13 | <&[R]> | Due to extensions, it's likely going to be a massive clusterfuck to introduce it. |
| 22:15 | <&McMartin> | Didn't Firefox destroy its extensions API too |
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