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| 00:20 | <@celticminstrel> | [May 31@4:08:52pm] McMartin: It's MS's answer to Java after its first answer to Java turned out to be answering the wrong question. |
| 00:20 | <@celticminstrel> | This makes me curious about what its first answer was. |
| 00:22 | < catadroid> | Java, I believe |
| 00:25 | <&McMartin> | ActiveX |
| 00:25 | <&McMartin> | Because Java originally was supposed to be for live web content, right |
| 00:25 | <&McMartin> | Then it turned out to actually be good for middleware |
| 00:25 | < catadroid> | lol |
| 00:26 | <&McMartin> | While I don't have rock-solid citations for this, I'm not actually kidding, particularly |
| 00:26 | <&McMartin> | Java's big public rollout was with applets |
| 00:27 | <&McMartin> | With JavaScript as this hinky thing next to it that isn't all that interesting or powerful and seems to have renamed itself six times in some kind of desperate bid for attention |
| 00:27 | <&McMartin> | Cue ActiveX as an alternative to applets because those work better as long as you're only using a complete Windows stack that hasn't been intentionally disabled for security or basic functionality |
| 00:27 | < catadroid> | I know you're not kidding |
| 00:27 | <&McMartin> | The mid-1990s were a dark time |
| 00:28 | < catadroid> | You're telling! |
| 00:28 | < catadroid> | Me |
| 00:28 | < catadroid> | Oh |
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| 00:28 | < catadroid> | Hm |
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| 00:28 | <&McMartin> | ... Actually I was kinda telling people I assume are way younger than me |
| 00:28 | <&McMartin> | whoops |
| 00:28 | <&McMartin> | Anyway, I need to start getting up to speed on ES6 at some point. |
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| 01:48 | <@thalass> | ahoy all |
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| 06:18 | <@abudhabi> | Fucking radio works or doesn't depending where in the room I am. |
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| 11:51 | < catadroid> | Template meatprogramming is hard |
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| 11:53 | <~Vornicus> | I can believe it |
| 11:56 | <@TheWatcher> | Signs you have an observant student: you're having to explain pad bytes, with examples. |
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| 12:19 | < catadroid> | :) |
| 12:19 | < catadroid> | If only that was standardised. |
| 12:20 | <@TheWatcher> | Ohgods, nocomment |
| 12:22 | <@gnolam> | catadroid: whose meat are you programming? |
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| 12:38 | <~Vornicus> | we got into their heads and ... smoothed out their meat |
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| 12:41 | | * TheWatcher ponders changing the topic to "Welcome to the Victory Diner" |
| 12:55 | < catadroid> | I think my own |
| 12:55 | < catadroid> | C++ allows me no mechanism that I can work out to allow me to determine when a move constructor is defined |
| 13:00 | <@simon_> | what's a move constructor? |
| 13:01 | <&[R]> | I think it's another name for a copy constructor? |
| 13:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Nope; a move constructor usually grabs the resources held by the source object |
| 13:04 | <~Vornicus> | a move constructor is like a copy constructor except that the old one is no longer usable. THis means you can safely use a moved thing without accidentally desynchronizing the state you can see and the hidden state - for instance, where you are in a file. |
| 13:05 | <&[R]> | Interesting, I don't really see the utility in that though |
| 13:12 | <@TheWatcher> | std::string foo() { std::string bar; ... stuff with bar...; return bar; } ..... code..... std::string womble = foo(); - that requires two copies (temp copy of bar, construct womble and copy from temp), if you move then there's less overhead |
| 13:13 | <&[R]> | That's what references are for...? |
| 13:14 | <&[R]> | Or is this to get around scoping problems? |
| 13:14 | <@simon_> | it sounds like a simpler alternative to borrowing / linear type systems |
| 13:15 | <@simon_> | i.e. you want to avoid the overhead of copying, but want a guarantee that the old reference isn't used when the 'moved' one is born. |
| 13:16 | < catadroid> | It's more that you can avoid copies when you're, for example, returning a large data structure like a std::vector by value |
| 13:17 | < catadroid> | You can also use them to enforce singular ownership, since if you define move but not copy the compiler will enforce it for you |
| 13:17 | <~Vornicus> | Which is a thing you'd do for things with hidden state (files, sockets, et al) |
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| 13:19 | <@simon_> | this is the kind of feature that bridges the gap between functional and imperative programming. |
| 13:20 | <@simon_> | it's ftw! |
| 13:20 | <@TheWatcher> | Uuugh, this student has commented every single line of code, generally with >60 character sentences, 99% of which are direct english translation sof the code |
| 13:22 | <@Tamber> | Well, some of the thought was there. Just not all of it. |
| 13:23 | <@abudhabi> | TheWatcher: Give him a rubber ducky, and instruct him to tell those comments to the duck instead of writing them. |
| 13:27 | <&[R]> | TheWatcher: https://blog.codinghorror.com/pseudocode-or-code/ <-- like that, or something else? |
| 13:31 | <@TheWatcher> | Pretty much, yes - although those're kinda restrained in comparison. |
| 13:45 | <@gnolam> | Gah |
| 13:45 | <@gnolam> | That was scary. |
| 13:45 | <@TheWatcher> | ? |
| 13:46 | <@gnolam> | Spectro lamp stopped working. No errors returned from the API, measurements taken, but no light. |
| 13:46 | <@gnolam> | Power cycling via the unit's power button did nothing. |
| 13:46 | <@gnolam> | Thankfully, a Norwegian reset fixed it. |
| 13:49 | <@TheWatcher> | Which suggests that the power button lies~ |
| 13:49 | <@ErikMesoy> | You mean the swedebutton. |
| 13:54 | <@gnolam> | TheWatcher: yeah, figured that out from the way it turns itself back on as soon as it loses connection with the host computer. :P |
| 13:54 | <@TheWatcher> | Hah |
| 13:54 | <@TheWatcher> | It's not off, it's just resting~ |
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| 14:00 | | * catadroid burns everything |
| 14:00 | <@TheWatcher> | Woe and burnination? |
| 14:01 | | * abudhabi burns catadroid too. |
| 14:13 | | * catadroid is now ashes and dust |
| 14:21 | <@TheWatcher> | But, at the same time, still made of star stuff, so hey. |
| 14:34 | < catadroid> | Hurray? |
| 14:34 | < catadroid> | I've given up on my quest |
| 14:34 | < catadroid> | It's a stupid idea anyway |
| 14:35 | | * TheWatcher eye this studen'ts code, twitches, breaks out ddd in the hope of working out WTF |
| 14:35 | <@TheWatcher> | s/'t/t'/ |
| 14:40 | | * catadroid offers her flamethrower |
| 14:44 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, hooray, heap corruption |
| 14:47 | <@abudhabi> | What kind of class are you teaching? Assembly? |
| 14:48 | <@TheWatcher> | C |
| 14:48 | <@abudhabi> | Almost. :V |
| 14:55 | <~Vornicus> | ddd? |
| 14:56 | <@TheWatcher> | Data Display Debugger; it's a frontend for gdb that combines code viewer/breakpoint editor/watch setter with a graphical display of structures and data, and a bunch of other tools. |
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| 16:14 | <@gnolam> | Argh, it's doing it again |
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| 16:36 | <@abudhabi> | gnolam: s/Argh/Oops |
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| 20:44 | < ShadowDragon8685_> | Someone reccomended this channel to me. I have an Android phone (Samsung Galaxy Note 4,) a Windows desktop (Win 7) w/o any Bluetooth, a perfectly good standalone microphone and a damn good pair of studio headphones. I want to be able to connect the phone to the PC via the USB<-> MicroUSB cord and set the phone up high, drawing power from the USB port, letting me speak into the microphone and hear the person I'm talking to on my hea |
| 20:44 | < ShadowDragon8685_> | up high, drawing power from the USB port, letting me speak into the microphone and hear the person I'm talking to on my headphones. Is this possible with what I have? |
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| 20:45 | <&VirusJTG> | if you use teamviewer you may want to disable it |
| 20:45 | <&VirusJTG> | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/01/teamviewer_mass_breach_report/ |
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| 21:39 | <@gnolam> | VirusJTG: Thanks for the heads up. |
| 21:39 | <@gnolam> | Poking around a bit I'm inclined to believe it's people using TeamViewer's unattended access/account feature who have gotten their account details compromised somewhere else. |
| 21:47 | | * gnolam belatedly headdesks. |
| 21:47 | <@gnolam> | So yeah, not the spectro's fault. Entirely mine. |
| 21:47 | <&McMartin> | I think I missed the beginning of this story |
| 21:49 | <@gnolam> | I was secretly bypassing its driver and speaking directly to it through its faux serial port, because I am an idiot. |
| 21:50 | <@gnolam> | (And because it apparently speaks almost, but not quite, the same serial API as its old not-emulated-through-USB version.) |
| 21:51 | | * gnolam files that information away for future reference. |
| 21:52 | <&McMartin> | "Secretly bypassing its driver and speaking directly to it through its faux serial port" starts out sounding like a gothic romance and then takes a sudden turn |
| 21:53 | <@gnolam> | Hee |
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| 22:24 | <&McMartin> | Dear Apple: Why are iOS and iOS Simulator two completely different SDKs, requiring you to use an entirely different set of tools to create libraries that can actually conceivably used by anyone |
| 22:45 | <@TheWatcher> | Because apple are dicks~ |
| 22:51 | <@abudhabi> | I keep reading "apple" as "people". |
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| 23:06 | < catadroid> | Common problem |
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