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| 08:45 | < yardboy> | am i here? |
| 08:45 | <~Vornicus> | No, you are there |
| 08:45 | <~Vornicus> | I am here |
| 08:45 | < yardboy> | thank god! i thought i disappeared. |
| 08:46 | < yardboy> | so where are you? |
| 08:48 | <~Vornicus> | Here, clearly |
| 08:49 | < catadroid`> | I am nowhere |
| 08:49 | | catadroid` is now known as catadroid |
| 08:49 | < catadroid> | I'm actually a very advanced AI |
| 08:49 | < Azash> | Aren't we all? #deep |
| 08:50 | < catadroid> | Yes |
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| 08:54 | < yardboy> | now I know what happened |
| 08:55 | <~Vornicus> | were you eaten by a grue? |
| 08:56 | < yardboy> | i didn't know what to call it.. |
| 08:58 | < yardboy> | it was big, ugly, and it could fly.. |
| 08:58 | <~Vornicus> | do you happen to be purple |
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| 09:14 | < abudhabi> | Suggestions for a Python IDE? |
| 09:21 | <~Vornicus> | I don't use one, but I'm told pycharm is pretty decent |
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| 09:32 | < yardboy> | I think I got it now? |
| 09:33 | < yardboy> | I'm going to note the time, and see how long I can manage to stay on.. |
| 09:34 | < catadroid> | To infinity! |
| 09:34 | < catadroid> | And beyond! |
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| 09:36 | < yardb0y> | *laugh* |
| 09:36 | < catadroid> | Or about five seconds |
| 09:36 | < catadroid> | One of the two |
| 09:37 | < yardb0y> | I think there is a cosmic conspiracy against me. |
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| 09:38 | < yardboy> | or maybe it's just bad software |
| 09:40 | < catadroid> | Think it's more likely to be an uncaring universe |
| 09:41 | < yardboy> | it's deliberate i tell you! |
| 09:43 | < catadroid> | They do hate you |
| 09:43 | < catadroid> | I'm sorry |
| 09:43 | < catadroid> | They hate all of us |
| 09:43 | < catadroid> | D: |
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| 09:47 | < yardb0y> | I wonder if the phone company is blocking the IRC port or something? |
| 09:47 | <~Vornicus> | if that were the case you wouldn't be able to connect at all |
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| 09:48 | < yardboy> | good point! |
| 09:48 | < yardboy> | I changed from mIrc (which was expired) to hexchat |
| 09:49 | < yardboy> | maybe I need to run identd? |
| 09:54 | < yardboy> | I guess the next step is to see if the connection problems occur at set intervals or randomly. |
| 09:55 | <~Vornicus> | 3:44, 3:51, 4:02, 4:38, 4:45 |
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| 09:57 | < yardb0y> | Looks like an exact 10 minute interval. |
| 09:58 | < yardb0y> | great.. they are causing it! |
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| 10:01 | < yardb0y> | This place looks familiar. Was this a gamedev channel in the past? |
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| 10:06 | <~Vornicus> | poor guy |
| 10:10 | < yardb0y> | story of my life |
| 10:11 | <@TheWatcher> | If you keep getting blocked, try a different port. nightstar servers listen on 6664-7000 for non-ssl connections. |
| 10:14 | < yardb0y> | I think I've broken the 10 minute barrier, I'll stay on and see what happens. |
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| 10:18 | < yardb0y> | maybe it takes time before the internet adapts to my computer equipment, eh? |
| 10:20 | <@TheWatcher> | As for your earlier question: game dev discussion sometimes happens in here. But it has never been dedicated to that |
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| 10:20 | <@TheWatcher> | Or maybe not~ |
| 10:23 | < yard_boy> | i remember when i first got a modem, i asked somebody if i could call a c64 board with an atari |
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| 10:29 | < yardboy> | let's see if 6664 works |
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| 10:31 | < yardboy> | hexchat is crap! |
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| 10:36 | <~Vornicus> | this is all your connection. |
| 10:36 | <~Vornicus> | most likely it's some bs like "idle connections get disconnected by the isp" |
| 10:37 | <@TheWatcher> | Probably, yeah |
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| 11:22 | <@TheWatcher> | This, so very much: https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/734168364298424320 >.< |
| 11:25 | <@ErikMesoy> | Yep |
| 11:29 | <@gnolam> | Yes. |
| 13:30 | < [R]> | "The most useful documentation isn't "what", but "why."" |
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| 14:00 | < pjdelport> | Also "How" |
| 14:07 | < catadroid`> | ...i am using std::enable_if a lot |
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| 18:08 | < abudhabi> | Guys, how fast could a fighter jet go, if falling apart or bursting into flames were not concerns, if it had constant 4g of acceleration? |
| 18:08 | <@Tamber> | "Very", then it would probably run out of fuel. |
| 18:09 | < abudhabi> | Suppose that it's powered by a magical gravitic drive. |
| 18:09 | < abudhabi> | I'm trying to determine maximum velocity in an earthlike atmosphere. |
| 18:09 | < abudhabi> | Before air drag cancels out the thrust. |
| 18:10 | < pjdelport> | Sounds like a question for https://what-if.xkcd.com/ |
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| 18:11 | < abudhabi> | My other sources tell me that it's something to the other of 1800 m/s at least. |
| 18:12 | < abudhabi> | Is this at all reasonable? |
| 18:14 | <@ErikMesoy> | That's about twice as fast as the Blackbird's record. Seems order of magnitude correct but maybe a bit high, I would ignorantly expect the Blackbird to have had more thrust than 4g during its record burns and hit diminishing returns very fast. |
| 18:16 | < abudhabi> | How do I convert the Blackbird thrust figure into gees? |
| 18:19 | <~Vornicus> | 1 g = 9.8 m/s^2 |
| 18:19 | <~Vornicus> | what is your thrust figure's units |
| 18:21 | < abudhabi> | 32,500 lbf (145 kN) |
| 18:21 | < abudhabi> | Loaded weight: 152,000 lb (69,000 kg) |
| 18:21 | < abudhabi> | Thrust/weight: 0.44 |
| 18:21 | < abudhabi> | Is this convertible? |
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| 18:49 | <~Vornicus> | Perfect. |
| 18:49 | <~Vornicus> | actually, t/w is already basically in g |
| 18:51 | <~Vornicus> | sorry, wrong, 145kN / 69 tonnes in g = 0.21 g |
| 18:51 | <~Vornicus> | I don't know how it got 0.44 |
| 18:52 | < abudhabi> | So something that could pull 4g would go really, really, really fast? |
| 18:53 | <@ErikMesoy> | Oh wow. The Blackbird was getting up to Mach 3 with only one-fifth of a gravity of acceleration? |
| 18:54 | < abudhabi> | I think I'll go with extrapolated figures from the Empress Marava class, which is stated to have an airspeed velocity of 2001 mph with 2.6 g thrust. |
| 18:55 | <~Vornicus> | a thing pulling 4 g will run out of air in 71 seconds, exiting the atmosphere at mach 8 if pointed straight up |
| 18:56 | < abudhabi> | What if it's trying to hug the ground and get below the horizon ASAP? |
| 18:58 | <@ErikMesoy> | Below the horizon relative to something how tall? |
| 18:59 | < abudhabi> | A few meters. |
| 18:59 | <~Vornicus> | point that fucker down, you're at orbital velocity in three minutes |
| 18:59 | <@ErikMesoy> | Okay. In that case I think it's more important to ask how tall the *craft* is flying. |
| 19:00 | <@ErikMesoy> | Its cruise height will be effective height for purposes of having the short thing below the horizon. |
| 19:00 | <@ErikMesoy> | If it's flying at 500m, below the horizon occurs at 80km. |
| 19:02 | <~Vornicus> | really you don't care about acceleration per se, it's acceleration vs drag |
| 19:03 | <~Vornicus> | drag is typically propto the square of the the velocity, so a blackbird with 4g of acceleration behind it should be capable of 7,855 m/s in atmosphere and that' |
| 19:03 | <~Vornicus> | s as fast as the ISS |
| 19:04 | <@Tamber> | That would also probably make air-traffic control Very Unhappy Indeed. |
| 19:05 | <~Vornicus> | that would make *everyone* Very Unhappy Indeed. |
| 19:06 | <@ErikMesoy> | You are going ~25x the speed of sound and shattering eardrums and a lot of other fragile material getting hit by sonic booms. |
| 19:06 | <@ErikMesoy> | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sonic-boom-heard-in-three-countie s-broke-windows-and-prompted-deluge-of-emergency-calls-8660951.html |
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| 19:07 | <~Vornicus> | if you can pull 2.6 g's of acceleration but your top speed is 2000mph, your craft has *huge* drag losses. |
| 19:10 | < abudhabi> | Vornicus: It is to the order of 700 short tons heavy, and isn't critically overoptimized for speed. |
| 19:10 | <~Vornicus> | 700 short tons with 2.6 gs of acceleration |
| 19:10 | < abudhabi> | 200 displacement tons for volume. |
| 19:12 | < ToxicFrog> | It gets weirder, since the net thrust produced by a jet engine varies with both airspeed and air pressure. |
| 19:13 | < abudhabi> | Correction - metric tons. |
| 19:13 | < abudhabi> | Just a weird unit. |
| 19:15 | <~Vornicus> | What TF said. I've been ignoring that 'cause jet engines are freaky and you have to tune them for performance in the range you want |
| 19:15 | < ToxicFrog> | What the hell is a "displacement ton", and how can you use either that or the tonne as a measure of volume? |
| 19:15 | <~Vornicus> | 1 displacement ton: 1 cubic meter. |
| 19:15 | <@gnolam> | abudhabi: at a constant acceleration and not having to worry about falling apart or bursting into flames, drag is your only limiting factor. So give us a drag coefficient. |
| 19:15 | < abudhabi> | Actually, a displacement ton is about 13 cubic meters in this context. |
| 19:15 | <~Vornicus> | what. |
| 19:16 | < abudhabi> | I wish this thing had a drag coefficient. |
| 19:16 | < abudhabi> | http://www.elvwood.org/Traveller/Marava.html |
| 19:16 | <@gnolam> | (And if it can do 4 g, you don't even need wings, so...) |
| 19:16 | < abudhabi> | Vornicus: Something, something, hydrogen. |
| 19:17 | < abudhabi> | Size is measured in ādisplacement tonsā or d-tons: a hundred- |
| 19:17 | < abudhabi> | ton ship displaces a volume equal to one hundred tons of liquid |
| 19:17 | < abudhabi> | hydrogen (one d-ton equals roughly 14 cubic metres). |
| 19:17 | < abudhabi> | I was off by 1! |
| 19:17 | < ToxicFrog> | abudhabi: I'd read 'airspeed' there as 'maximum airspeed before you have to worry about the hull melting and/or falling apart', with no relation to thrust |
| 19:17 | < abudhabi> | Alright. |
| 19:18 | < ToxicFrog> | (at a guess, 'airspeed' there is speed at 1atm and 'skimming airspeed' is speed in the upper atmosphere if you are e.g. aerobraking, but that's just a guess) |
| 19:18 | < abudhabi> | (I've guessed that too.) |
| 19:19 | < ToxicFrog> | What does it mean by "1.09/2.60 g" as the thrust? Fully loaded/empty? |
| 19:19 | < ToxicFrog> | Er, as the acceleration |
| 19:19 | < abudhabi> | I think. |
| 19:19 | < abudhabi> | Yeah, must be that. |
| 19:19 | < ToxicFrog> | Oh, yeah, it has to be that based on the values for "emass" and "lmass", assuming those are "empty mass" and "loaded mass" |
| 19:19 | < abudhabi> | Probably. |
| 19:20 | < ToxicFrog> | And the "aerostatic lift" value is maximum lift, in stons (?????), using both the thrusters and the gravitic drive. |
| 19:20 | | * catadroid` grabs ToxicFrog and forces hugs |
| 19:20 | < ToxicFrog> | It looks like it can hover on gravitics when empty but not when full. This is not a ship designed for bulk loading planetside |
| 19:20 | < ToxicFrog> | eep |
| 19:20 | | * ToxicFrog hugs catadroid` tight and kisses her lots and snuggles |
| 19:21 | < abudhabi> | "stons" is a silly unit that means "metric tons as a unit of mass". |
| 19:21 | < ToxicFrog> | The metric tonne is already a unit of mass! |
| 19:21 | <&McMartin> | Wait, since when are metric tons not a unit of... right |
| 19:21 | <&McMartin> | It's the imperial or US ton that's a unit of force. |
| 19:21 | < abudhabi> | ToxicFrog: But then you have dtons for volume! :V |
| 19:21 | <&McMartin> | Wait, but, um |
| 19:21 | < ToxicFrog> | The displacement tonne appears to be a unit of :catdrugs: |
| 19:21 | <&McMartin> | Well |
| 19:21 | <&McMartin> | So |
| 19:21 | <~Vornicus> | boats use it all the time. |
| 19:22 | <&McMartin> | It's important to note that a cubic meter of water masses about a metric ton and weighs about a customary ton. |
| 19:22 | <~Vornicus> | (long ton) |
| 19:22 | <~Vornicus> | (for weighs) |
| 19:22 | <&McMartin> | (thank you) |
| 19:23 | < ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: with boats, the displacement value is the mass, in tonnes, of water displaced when the ship is floating, and is == to the mass of the ship itself; "displacement" is just naval jargon for "vessel mass" |
| 19:23 | < ToxicFrog> | It has nothing to do with volume. |
| 19:23 | <&McMartin> | Well |
| 19:23 | <&McMartin> | Except for water having a constant density |
| 19:23 | <&McMartin> | Which means mass and volume are "the same thing" >_> |
| 19:24 | < ToxicFrog> | Except it doesn't! |
| 19:24 | < ToxicFrog> | As you travel up the St. Lawrence Seaway from the Atlantic Ocean to the Great Lakes, your displacement volume changes but your displacement mass doesn't. |
| 20:11 | <@gnolam> | https://twitter.com/ajlobster/status/735240869859753985 |
| 20:17 | < pjdelport> | š„ |
| 20:18 | <&McMartin> | š“ |
| 20:22 | <@Tamber> | ? |
| 20:26 | < abudhabi> | |
| 20:27 | <&jerith> | |
| 20:32 | <@ErikMesoy> | _ngstskr_ |
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| 22:26 | <@gnolam> | https://twitter.com/mipearson/status/735306904642199552 |
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| 23:17 | <&McMartin> | Brilliant |
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| 23:35 | <@Reiv> | Brilliant? |
| 23:35 | <~Vornicus> | Brillant. |
| 23:36 | <&McMartin> | https://twitter.com/mipearson/status/735306904642199552 |
| 23:39 | <@Reiv> | Reminds me of the toaster days, before Moltare made his opinion known in due agression. |
| 23:39 | <&McMartin> | Yes, chatty bots are not really de rigeur in this land |
| 23:42 | <@Reiv> | pretty much |
| 23:42 | <@Reiv> | *Our* slackbot tells me when my wife shows up at reception |
| 23:42 | <@Reiv> | Usually a couple seconds before the email and TXT message. |
| 23:47 | <&McMartin> | I must note that I'm unfamiliar with "slackbot" as a thing |
| 23:54 | <@Reiv> | slack = corporate IRC |
| 23:54 | <@Reiv> | slackbot = pre-installed bot that you can configure to do shit for you |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | Aha |
| 23:55 | <@Reiv> | Rangng from twitter-watching to typing /gif aliens and it'll search the whatsit website with the memes on it |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | imgur |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | Or maybe gfycat |
| 23:56 | <@Reiv> | I think I was thinking of gfycat |
| 23:56 | <@Reiv> | dunno |
| 23:56 | <@Reiv> | anyway |
| 23:56 | <@Reiv> | As those cases example, you can configure utility somewhat... widely |
| 23:56 | <&McMartin> | Which, now that I have spoken to some employees thereof, I can confirm is actually pronounced "jiffy-cat" |
| 23:56 | <@Reiv> | ... you talked to them? |
| 23:56 | <&McMartin> | And not "go f**k yourself, cat", as I had assumed |
| 23:57 | <@Reiv> | ha ha ha |
| 23:57 | <&McMartin> | They in fact took over our old office space when we moved out of there |
| 23:57 | <@Reiv> | snerk |
| 23:57 | <&McMartin> | Previously they had basically been based in another startup's lunchroom. |
| 23:57 | <&McMartin> | Incubators are... noticably stingy with resources, but hey, more space than people, right~ |
| 23:57 | <@Tamber> | meta-startup? |
| 23:58 | <&McMartin> | I guess incubators count as meta-startups? |
| 23:58 | <@Tamber> | I was thinking startup-within-a-startup. :p |
| 23:58 | <&McMartin> | Ah, no, not like that |
| 23:58 | <&McMartin> | More "one incubated startup has more space than it needs, so the incubators crammed two more in there" |
| 23:59 | <@Tamber> | Ahh |
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