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| 20:07 | < [R]> | http://maxsi.org/hacks/ |
| 21:17 | <@ErikMesoy> | Hehehehe. This seems to be one of those perennial things. |
| 21:19 | <@ErikMesoy> | I saw similar cheese in a TfT tournament: enter clones that become overly fond of always cooperating with your and only your defections. |
| 21:19 | <~Vornicus> | tft? |
| 21:19 | <@ErikMesoy> | Tit for Tat |
| 21:20 | <@ErikMesoy> | Iterated prisoner's dilemma. |
| 21:21 | <@ErikMesoy> | One of the commenters referred to it as the "televangelist" strategy: instead of trading, find easy marks and sponge off their money. :P |
| 21:22 | <&McMartin> | "feudalism" |
| 21:22 | <&McMartin> | Crush the peasantry just enough to provide for an invincible warrior caste |
| 21:25 | <@gnolam> | ErikMesoy: heh |
| 21:26 | <@gnolam> | But surely Tit for Tat is the actual /strategy/ employed in an iterated prisoner's dilemma rather than the competition itself? |
| 21:27 | <&McMartin> | s/the/a/ |
| 21:28 | <@ErikMesoy> | gnolam: To be precise, yes. But it's iconic and I am a little sloppy about what is eponymous or nearly so. |
| 21:40 | <@celticminstrel> | I wonder if I could set up git to reject commits of files that mix tabs and spaces as indentation... |
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| 21:57 | <&McMartin> | That's a push filter of some kind |
| 22:02 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't want it to convert all tabs to spaces or all spaces to tabs, just warn about inconsistencies. |
| 22:02 | <&McMartin> | Yes |
| 22:02 | <&McMartin> | It blocks the push until you fix it |
| 22:02 | <@celticminstrel> | ie, it's fine if some files are tabs and some are spaces, as long as it's consistent within a file. |
| 22:02 | <&McMartin> | Which is much harder than it is with Subversion |
| 22:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Hmm. |
| 22:02 | <&McMartin> | But thi sis a feature because definitionally anything that Subversion does is The Worst Thing. |
| 22:03 | <@celticminstrel> | "filter" sounded like it was something that would modify the file directly, like core.autocrlf. |
| 22:07 | <@TheWatcher> | pre-commit hooks are things that do exactly that sort of check |
| 22:08 | < catalyst> | Like a prenup |
| 22:09 | | * catalyst wonders why SVN is considered the sausage when CVS exists |
| 22:10 | <@TheWatcher> | celticminstrel: Just make the pre-commit hook look for files that mix indentation methods, and return 0 for files that pass, and 1 for files that fail. The commit will abort before the bad file even goes into the repo. |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | catalyst: The snarky answer is "Stockholm Syndrome"~ |
| 22:11 | | * celticminstrel things that something like "grep '^ ' && grep '^\t'" might work... |
| 22:11 | <@celticminstrel> | ^thinks |
| 22:11 | <&McMartin> | The less snarky answer is "a lot of people moved from SVN to Git at a point where SVN's branching model was still fundamentally broken" |
| 22:12 | <&McMartin> | And by the time it stopped being fundamentally broken, which was about 1.6 or so, it was nevertheless still "different from Git's model" and by that point "different from Git" meant "fundamentally broken" |
| 22:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | ErikMesoy: "IPD" is the game. "TFT" is one of many strategies and is the best "simple" one. IIRC, mutually cooperating groups are currently believed to be the best "complicated" one (which is still pretty simple, as it turns out) that maximizes overall fitness. |
| 22:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | catalyst: "the sausage"? |
| 22:20 | < catalyst> | the wurst |
| 22:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | oh |
| 22:21 | <&McMartin> | ... that was not what I thought you were saying, but I'm down with that. |
| 22:21 | <&ToxicFrog> | AFAICT, it's because SVN was similar enough to CVS that basically everyone who was using CVS migrated to SVN at some point |
| 22:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | Similarly, no-one remembers RCS or SCCS |
| 22:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | So when git/hg/darcs/etc came onto the scene, SVN was What You Used if you used version control and weren't using some proprietary tech like p4. |
| 22:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | So all the comparisons are against SVN and not any of the systems it supplanted. |
| 22:41 | <&jerith> | SVN is, by design, the best CVS they could make. |
| 22:43 | <&jerith> | There were already better (for some definition thereof) models out there when it came along, but they stuck to "CVS but less painful" to increase adoption. |
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