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| 10:53 | <@Tarinaky> | http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/Pastebin-Dailymotion-Github-bl ocked-after-DoT-order-Report/articleshow/45701713.cms |
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| 11:48 | | * Tarinaky groans as f***ing video tutorials |
| 11:48 | <@Tarinaky> | I just want a textual overview I can follow at my own pace and use as a springing board for launching into your API proper. |
| 12:01 | <@Tarinaky> | In othernews, new office perks: a free vending machine o.o |
| 12:01 | <@Tarinaky> | All h[Dail our American overlords. |
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| 15:11 | | * Tarinaky waves. |
| 15:12 | <@Tarinaky> | I should... probably start another programming project with OpenGL but I have no idea whether I want to do something with Python, C++ or even try learning an engine API :/ |
| 15:16 | <@Tarinaky> | Basically every engine demos itself as being instant-FPS-just-add-water and I have... maybe zero interest in that so it ends up looking like a lot of technical restrictions in exchange for some high-end techniques I don't actually need. |
| 15:22 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't /really/ need an engine so much as a framework. |
| 15:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | So what do you want to make? |
| 15:38 | <@Tarinaky> | Nothin' |
| 15:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | Then why do you want to start another openGL project? |
| 15:39 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't know 3D Programming as well as I should., |
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| 15:49 | | * Tarinaky facepalms at some wonderful Newspeakism. |
| 15:49 | <@Tarinaky> | "It [DWP] cites research claiming 16-year-olds today are more likely to own a smart phone than live with their fathers." |
| 15:50 | <@Tarinaky> | Presumably the same piece of research highlighted that more 16-year olds today breath than have full use of both legs. |
| 15:52 | <@Tarinaky> | I wouldn't be surprised if more 16 year olds had smart phones than full use of both legs tbh :/ |
| 16:04 | < JBeshir> | Smartphones are like flat screen TVs; things that people who are kind of slow to update treat as symbols of great luxury. |
| 16:06 | <@iospace> | http://www.commitstrip.com/en/page/5/ |
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| 16:42 | <@Azash> | Anyone here good with mysql, in particular configuring it? |
| 16:43 | <@froztbyte> | Azash: advance warning: life sucks, you're in for hate, you've got terrible problems, and you should know better |
| 16:43 | <@froztbyte> | that said, what do you want to know? |
| 16:43 | <@Azash> | froztbyte: I'm past that stage |
| 16:43 | <@Azash> | This mysqldump is hanging after outputting one line, no timeouts or such |
| 16:43 | <@froztbyte> | no-one is ever past that stage |
| 16:43 | <@Azash> | mysqldump --compact --quick --verbose -u USER -p DATABASE > dump.sql |
| 16:43 | <@froztbyte> | are you running the dump without locks? |
| 16:44 | <@froztbyte> | ah, no |
| 16:44 | <@froztbyte> | --lock-tables=false |
| 16:45 | <@Azash> | What's the practical effect of that? |
| 16:47 | <@Azash> | Ah, I see |
| 16:47 | <@froztbyte> | doesn't attempt to acquire a lock on the table before it dumps |
| 16:47 | <@froztbyte> | more specifically, potential data corruption |
| 16:47 | <@froztbyte> | but your data's already in mysql, so you can stop pretending like you care about it |
| 16:47 | <@froztbyte> | >:) |
| 16:47 | <@Azash> | Data corruption as such is.. likely not a problem as I've ran all the web services using it to the ground |
| 16:47 | <@Azash> | inb4 mongo |
| 16:47 | <@Azash> | But like |
| 16:48 | <@froztbyte> | anyway, what I've seen happen |
| 16:48 | <@Azash> | It doesn't seem to be that, as I presume it would have written at least one table into the dump after an hour |
| 16:48 | <@froztbyte> | "something" else keeps trying to use the DB, or has a lock, or whatever |
| 16:48 | <@Azash> | Regardless if it locks or not |
| 16:48 | <@froztbyte> | and then the dump just turds out waiting for a lock |
| 16:48 | <@froztbyte> | you can try poke with "show processlist;" in a mysql root console |
| 16:48 | <@Azash> | See above: there should be nothing doing that at all |
| 16:48 | <@Azash> | Right |
| 16:48 | <@froztbyte> | no, seriously, mysql is fucking stupid as fuck by default |
| 16:49 | <@froztbyte> | I've actually lost data because of a mysqldump that I'd thought succeeded |
| 16:49 | <@froztbyte> | then I spent 3 weeks re-assembling RRDs by hand and sight. |
| 16:49 | <@Azash> | Ouch |
| 16:50 | <@Azash> | Yeah it's the only thing running |
| 16:50 | <@Azash> | Except show processlist obv |
| 16:50 | <@froztbyte> | (I had a full list of network endpoints and datapoints, but all the reference IDs were different, so ..... mismatches all over) |
| 16:51 | <@Azash> | Yeah I have to jiggle around as certain types of data are having nodes subsumed into others |
| 16:51 | <@froztbyte> | Azash: err, to get the silly questions out of the way: no auth fuckery being hidden by a script? you're definitely running mysqldump(1) and not piping them to a mysql(1), etc? |
| 16:51 | <@Azash> | So just fk reassignment and deleting rows |
| 16:51 | <@Azash> | But I am absolutely loathe to ever do anything like that without an up-to-date dump |
| 16:52 | <@Azash> | froztbyte: Correct |
| 16:52 | <@froztbyte> | which mysql version is this, btw? |
| 16:54 | <@Azash> | 5.5.18 |
| 16:55 | <@Azash> | I see the problem |
| 16:56 | <@Azash> | Rather than lock one table at a time it apparently locked everything |
| 16:56 | <@Azash> | I guess it'll just take a while |
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| 16:57 | <@froztbyte> | asdkljasdljasd fucking trolls |
| 16:57 | <@froztbyte> | literally just as I said that my ISP lost transit for a bit |
| 16:58 | <@froztbyte> | Azash: <froztbyte> no, seriously, mysql is fucking stupid as fuck by default |
| 16:58 | <@froztbyte> | Azash: I actually have some shitty python code somewhere that dumps per-table |
| 16:58 | <@froztbyte> | Azash: which I ended up assembling because the host I had to deal with didn't have the mysql cli tools, but had a full suite of python things |
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| 17:01 | <@froztbyte> | and while it sounds like you already know to hate it, http://grimoire.ca/mysql/choose-something-else is still enjoyable reading :D |
| 17:06 | <@Azash> | "Already on MySQL? Migrate." |
| 17:06 | <@Azash> | Beggars, etc |
| 17:06 | <@froztbyte> | :) |
| 17:06 | <@froztbyte> | I've found it worth the pain, before |
| 17:06 | <@froztbyte> | but would cede that it might be situational |
| 17:06 | <@froztbyte> | also, some people just don't get it |
| 17:07 | <@froztbyte> | (in which case it's probably easier to just gtfo) |
| 17:07 | <@Azash> | Get it? |
| 17:08 | <@froztbyte> | why it sucks, why other things are better, that certain efforts in moving away from it could be warranted, etc |
| 17:09 | <@Azash> | Ah |
| 17:10 | <@Azash> | Well I'm aware that it's hardly the best solution but a) I don't have time b) there's going to be a replacement for this software developed this year c) the current version has literally thousands of lines of bespoke muesli that I'd rather not deal with breaking |
| 17:12 | <@froztbyte> | right, (b) is basically achieving what I have in mind |
| 17:12 | <@Azash> | It's not a transition though |
| 17:12 | <@Azash> | It's a whole new project |
| 17:12 | <@froztbyte> | same diff |
| 17:12 | <@froztbyte> | rather, same outcome |
| 17:14 | | * Azash eyes processes sleeping in the mysqld |
| 17:15 | <@Azash> | Great, so now the nightly update is coming on |
| 17:16 | <@Azash> | I wonder how the fuck I'm supposed to get all this done in a 2.5h window |
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| 18:41 | <@Azash> | froztbyte: So while I was hesitant to really go for not locking |
| 18:41 | <@Azash> | I did finally get it sorted by using --single-transaction |
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| 21:14 | < RobinStamer> | "ISO is kinda dated. Should have said .mkv" D: |
| 21:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Uh what? |
| 21:17 | < RobinStamer> | Ugh, sorry was scrolled up. That's from iospace's link 5 hours ago |
| 21:17 | <@iospace> | hahah |
| 21:17 | <@celticminstrel> | Which I wasn't around for. |
| 21:20 | < RobinStamer> | http://www.commitstrip.com/en/page/5/ |
| 21:47 | <@celticminstrel> | I wouldn't say ISO is dated, exactly, but it's also not the format you'd normally obtain videos in, given that it's a disk image format. |
| 21:47 | < RobinStamer> | http://www.commitstrip.com/en/page/31/ |
| 21:48 | < RobinStamer> | Aye |
| 21:48 | <@celticminstrel> | Pffft. |
| 21:48 | < RobinStamer> | But you do lose things from the iso when you go to a movie file. Namely special features, menus, etc... |
| 21:49 | | * celticminstrel currently has the habit of using right-click>Notepad++ to open code-like files. |
| 21:49 | < RobinStamer> | Mostly though, it's apples and oranges. |
| 21:49 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah, I guess that makes sense. |
| 21:49 | | * RobinStamer completely forgot that right-click menus were a thing |
| 21:49 | <@celticminstrel> | How do you forget something like that? |
| 21:50 | < RobinStamer> | Meta+Enter opens a terminal |
| 21:50 | < RobinStamer> | Then ssh, then vim |
| 21:52 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't quite see the relevance of this. But then I also don't really understand why people still use vim. |
| 21:53 | < RobinStamer> | One thing well. |
| 21:53 | <&McMartin> | Vi hasn't been that for decades |
| 21:53 | <&McMartin> | Notepad++ is closer to that than vim, except for being based on Scintilla and thus not really doing it that well |
| 21:54 | <@celticminstrel> | Notepad++ also seems to lack Objective-C++ syntax colouring. It has C++ and Objective-C, but not Objective-C++. |
| 21:55 | < RobinStamer> | McM: how so? |
| 21:56 | <&McMartin> | RobinStamer: A printout of the minimal set of Vim commands is about one 8.5x11 sheet of paper, based on the cheatsheets of coders I see that use it |
| 21:56 | <&McMartin> | That's not really "one thing" anymore unless you expand it to the point that it includse all its traditional rivals. |
| 21:57 | <&McMartin> | You may assume that the traditional set of rants about modal vs. modeless interaction are included by reference but I'm actually deliberately avoiding them for this case. |
| 21:58 | < RobinStamer> | Eh, I see it more as it having a broader "one thing". It's like the shell, it's no longer extremely simple. |
| 21:58 | <&McMartin> | Right, hence my "its traditional rivals"~ |
| 21:58 | <&McMartin> | If you admit the shell, you end up admitting emacs |
| 21:58 | <&McMartin> | So, you know, OK, I guess - Emacs is closer to Vim than it is to Eclipse - but that's usually not what they're going for. |
| 21:59 | | * McMartin checks to see if you can simulate vim in eclipse yet, finds a half-dozen before he finishes typing the query thanks to google suggestions. |
| 22:00 | <&McMartin> | Also, this, which says what I think I was going for way more elegantly |
| 22:00 | <&McMartin> | https://mwop.net/blog/211-Why-Vim-Plugins-for-IDEs-Fail.html |
| 22:00 | <&McMartin> | "they reimplement vi(m) keybindings, but don't actually re-use anything from vim itself. Why does this matter? Because this means the tools completely ignore the entire vim ecosystem. Vim has a wealth of user plugins, syntax highlighting codecs, filetype plugins, and other utilities -- and you can use none of them." |
| 22:01 | <&McMartin> | At this point Vim, like Emacs, is valuable because of the ecosystem it lives in. |
| 22:03 | <&McMartin> | In the Vim vs. Emacs debate I will freely grant despite being an Emacs partisan that the Vim ports to windows kick the shit out of the emacs ones -_- |
| 22:06 | < RobinStamer> | The thing that displeases me most about the vim GUIs is they don't show how to do the menu's operations without the UI |
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| 23:47 | <@gnolam> | https://twitter.com/html5_yoda/status/545129883438166016 |
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