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| 00:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | Alek: the issue with the whole Onan thing wasn't the pulling out, it was the refusing to give her an heir despite having a duty to |
| 00:36 | <~Vornicus> | It was also not hearing the lamentations of their women |
| 01:04 | <@Alek> | TF: yep, I know. |
| 01:04 | <@Alek> | Spilling his seed outside the womb, in fact. |
| 01:04 | <@Alek> | the direct problem was not giving an heir. the added problem was spilling the life-bearing seed where it could not sprout. |
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| 01:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | Alek: that latter is a relatively recent interpretation invoked as justification for opposition to birth control; it is unsupported in the text and, indeed, contradicts other passages such as Leviticus. |
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| 02:21 | <@Alek> | oh, what does it contradict in Leviticus? |
| 02:22 | <@Alek> | I'm just saying that it grew, by interpretation, from the original meaning, and while it may or may not be supported, it became associated with the Sin of Onan. |
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| 02:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | A lot of Leviticus 16 deals with ejaculation outside of sex and basically says "if you do this, clean yourself and whatever you wanked onto in water and you are considered unclean until the next evening" |
| 02:25 | < JBeshir> | "Seriously why do I have to spell this out for you aurgh" |
| 02:25 | < JBeshir> | Being the undertone? |
| 02:26 | <@Alek> | hee |
| 02:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | I.e. it's considered unhygenic but not abominable and definitely not worth killing over. |
| 02:26 | | * Alek doesn't remember that passage, checks. |
| 02:27 | <@Alek> | wait, really? Leviticus 16 in NIV deals with the Day of Atonement. not uh. |
| 02:27 | <@Alek> | think you meant 15. |
| 02:28 | <@Alek> | unclean discharges. unusual discharges are unclean. |
| 02:28 | <@Alek> | this probably covers sharting too. but primarily, oozing pus, popped blisters, stuff like that was what I got from the passage. |
| 02:29 | <@Alek> | oh, Leviticus 15:16-18. semen. |
| 02:29 | <@Alek> | wash EVERY time, including when you had sex, didn't just wank. |
| 02:29 | <@Alek> | unless you didn't ejaculate. :P |
| 02:29 | <@Alek> | the period is also an unclean discharge. |
| 02:31 | <@Alek> | semen is "wash with water" unclean. everything else is "seven days and then an offering" unclean. |
| 02:31 | <@Alek> | including the period. |
| 02:31 | <@Alek> | okay, next topic now. |
| 02:31 | <&McMartin> | GLORIOUS FUTURE YEAR 2015. |
| 02:33 | <&McMartin> | Though it's going to be Glorious Future Year 2014 for a while yet |
| 02:33 | <&McMartin> | At least here |
| 02:39 | < JBeshir> | So far, early reports are that in 2015 it is raining and there are watermelon and jalapeno cocktails. |
| 02:40 | < JBeshir> | I'm going to get some sleep and see how things are tomorrow, but no signs of robot uprisings yet so things are all in all pretty good. |
| 02:47 | <@Alek> | But how's the hoverboards coming? |
| 02:47 | <&McMartin> | They're not strictly due for another year, right? |
| 02:47 | <&McMartin> | We have prototypes now. They're kinda impractical. |
| 02:48 | <&McMartin> | I suspect some other time travelers altered history by introducing inline skates to deflect the Hoverboard Apocalypse of 2043. |
| 02:50 | | * Alek snerks. |
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