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| 00:16 | <@Orthia> | Julius: One presumes she and her husband were not entirely concerned about the sex. She welcomed the companionship, though. |
| 00:16 | <@Reiv> | gah, stupid dualboxing |
| 00:16 | <@Reiv> | anyway |
| 00:17 | <@Reiv> | The glamour modelling? Just a hobby. She liked feeling pretty. |
| 00:17 | <@Reiv> | Certainly was a little bit of an odd composition of traits, however. :p |
| 00:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiv: how do you keep getting connections mixed up, anyways? |
| 00:40 | <@Orthia> | I am alt+tabbing between the RDP session of my work box in Tauranga |
| 00:40 | <@Orthia> | And the real desktop here |
| 00:40 | <@Orthia> | (Usually to change the music; RDP and music does not play well and she's got a better selection than my work box anyway) |
| 00:41 | <@Orthia> | And there's IRC in the same channels open on both of them >_> |
| 00:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | Oh, so you're working remotely from Orthia's computer at home? |
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| 00:48 | <@Reiv> | Correct |
| 00:48 | <@Reiv> | I have been doing so all week |
| 00:49 | <@Reiv> | It is <3 <3 |
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| 00:49 | <@Reiv> | I needed physio. They reccomended against my driving long distances until it was healed. Boss was brilliant, and arranged with IT to let me RDP from her machine. We've been enjoying evenings together all week accordingly.) |
| 00:51 | <&ToxicFrog> | Awesome. |
| 00:51 | <@Reiv> | Very |
| 00:51 | <&ToxicFrog> | Although wow, RDP. Vintage. |
| 00:51 | <@Reiv> | Ehhh |
| 00:51 | <@Reiv> | It is RDP through a Citrix tunnel |
| 00:52 | <@Reiv> | I can also use a Citrix session, but I'd rather rock on with my entire PC that was left running with All My Shit on friday anyway |
| 00:52 | | * ToxicFrog rocks the sshfs when working from home |
| 00:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | Eh, that's fair |
| 00:53 | <@Reiv> | Citrix just gives me a virtual machine to play in, which is... fine |
| 00:53 | < Harlow> | Rev thats weird. |
| 00:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | Harlow: what is? |
| 00:53 | <@Reiv> | And actually can be really good when you want to run stuff and have All The Defaults in place for testing or "agh, stupid machine, I need this working /now/" in a presentation or whatever |
| 00:53 | < Harlow> | i mean the things you said at 18:17 |
| 00:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiv: I know a few people who do that, chromoting into their workstation |
| 00:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | I mount it remotely over sshfs and do all my editing locally, sshing into it to run builds |
| 00:53 | < Harlow> | i mean i get it because once you've been rejected by a person like that you can still be friends but its kind of weird |
| 00:54 | <@Reiv> | But when I'm in the middle of dev work, I like to have my stuff handy. |
| 00:54 | <@Reiv> | I mean, it's my stuff. :p |
| 00:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | Harlow: eh, you can have an intimate relationship without sex |
| 00:54 | <@Reiv> | ToxicFrog: That would work, yeah |
| 00:54 | < Harlow> | i know |
| 00:54 | < Harlow> | I'm considering it this girl still likes my company, just doesn't want to date |
| 00:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | Hell, symbol and I did for most of a year when she was pregnant~ |
| 00:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | (although to be fair I still had my girlfriend for much of that time) |
| 00:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | And on your situation specifically, flirting can be a lot of fun even if there's no intention of it going anywhere, as long as everyone's on the same page |
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| 02:24 | <@Reiv> | ToxicFrog: Passing query: SSHFS is meaning you get to use your local tools to access your remote code, correct? |
| 02:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | sshfs is filesystem mount over ssh, yes |
| 02:25 | <@Reiv> | Aha, Right. Wheras I don't actually have Oracle SQL Developer on Orthia's PC, so the RDP solution is probably the easier. |
| 02:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | So I mount ~/devel on my workstation as ~/devel on my laptop, and then since all the paths are the same I can load all the same project files and whatnot |
| 02:25 | | * Reiv nods |
| 02:25 | | * ToxicFrog nods |
| 02:25 | <@Reiv> | That's a good trick |
| 02:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | We aren't allowed to access the corp network from non-corp hardware except in exceptional circumstances, and my work laptop ofc has all the local devtools installed on it |
| 02:26 | <@Reiv> | yeah |
| 02:26 | <@Reiv> | We're not either |
| 02:26 | <@Reiv> | With the interesting exception that they're a little looser with the Citrix software, which as noted offers you either an RDP session or a VM |
| 02:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | Anyways, that way I run st2 and git-cola and whatnot on the laptop, and the use the ssh connection to run builds and tests and deploy things and whatnot |
| 02:26 | <@Reiv> | Judging by the layout of the menu, I suspect the RDP is a per-user flag, because it's in a different bit of the folder. |
| 02:27 | <@Reiv> | So this was probably "My boss asked the IT guys to not only give me Citrix remote access, but hand me the baked-in RDP priveledges as well" |
| 02:27 | <@Reiv> | So yeah, I have a little RDP session that thinks it's on the WAN, because Citrix is handling the backend |
| 02:28 | <@Reiv> | And I know this is the case because there's a little Citrix Reciever icon in my taskbar, giving helpful information of the tunnel when you mouseover >_> |
| 02:29 | <@Reiv> | I take it Chromote would be doing the rough equivalent, with the chromecast technologies? |
| 02:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | Using Chrome Remote Desktop, actually |
| 02:30 | <@Reiv> | hm |
| 02:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | (which for all I know uses the same protocol under the hood or something, but I haven't used it) |
| 02:30 | <@Reiv> | Is that significantly different from RDP |
| 02:30 | <@Reiv> | fair~ |
| 02:30 | <@Reiv> | If anything it might well support things that Aren't Windows, which is probably a big advantage >_> |
| 02:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, all our workstations are linu |
| 02:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | *linux |
| 02:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | And most laptops |
| 02:31 | <@Reiv> | That'd do it |
| 02:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | (the rest are OSX) |
| 02:31 | <@Reiv> | We're a windows shop, except for Five Very Important Servers. |
| 02:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | Although there are RDP clients and servers for linux. |
| 02:31 | <@Reiv> | Hilariously, these are the ones I actually interface with a lot, but oh well, not my job to admin them |
| 02:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, in these parts you need a business need and signed authorization from a Director to deploy windows. |
| 02:32 | <@Reiv> | We've got the same for OSX and Linux. |
| 02:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | You can have as many linux VMs as they can fit in the datacenter, though~ |
| 02:32 | <@Reiv> | I suspect the logic is the same, just the platform choices different~ |
| 02:33 | <@Reiv> | (To be fair, 90% of our company spends 90% of their time using Word or Excel in support of apps served up in IE (I know, I know ;_;) |
| 02:33 | <@Reiv> | The BI team is slowly but surely pushing people into Chrome, where javascript actually does what it claims to) |
| 02:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, here, all of our devtools run on linux, all of our software runs on linux |
| 02:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | Windows is basically only for people working on software that they need to test on windows, like Chrome |
| 02:34 | <@Reiv> | (A major victory is that the baseline Citrix VMs now have Chrome as a default app) |
| 02:34 | <@Reiv> | (This makes like /so much easier/ let me tell you) |
| 02:35 | <@Reiv> | I would sort of prefer Linux, I guess? |
| 02:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | I would be very sad without it. |
| 02:35 | <@Reiv> | But then as noted, 90% of people are folks who are used to windows, so I guess that skips a couple skips in the training |
| 02:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | Last place I worked was Windows when I started working there, but Cygwin was a standard part of the install |
| 02:35 | <@Reiv> | cunning |
| 02:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | By the time I left we'd migrated to Linux for all developer machines -- I helped with the build system migration, in fact |
| 02:36 | <@Reiv> | We have, uh, Office, IE, and Chrome as standard here. :p |
| 02:36 | <@Reiv> | But then as noted, we're not a dev shop so this is probably kind of legit >_> |
| 02:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | (the reason was that historically, the software was developed in Visual Studio, but gradually outgrew the capabilities of its build system, and eventually the build was moved into Cygwin) |
| 02:36 | <@Reiv> | And I suspect a lot of folks up in Finance would get grumpy without their beloved Excel. |
| 02:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | (eventually it was decided that it would be easier to just move the whole thing into native linux) |
| 02:37 | <@Reiv> | And given Finance is one of the archetypical Powers behind the Throne, this is not likely to be changed without serious impetus~ |
| 02:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | I have no idea what Finance uses here. Probably some webapp. |
| 02:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | Everyone uses Google Docs for things, pretty much |
| 02:38 | <@Reiv> | so many webapps |
| 02:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | Internal webapps are pretty common here, and we can get away with being relatively sloppy with them because we only need to support Chrome |
| 02:38 | <@Reiv> | I love that I use an IBM product with tens of thousands of commercial customers, one of the biggest fish in its niche |
| 02:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | Which means no horrific hoop-jumping to support IE |
| 02:39 | <@Reiv> | And one of the IBM folks I talked to complained that her brother, who also worked for IBM in the software teams, had /never heard of it/. |
| 02:39 | <@Reiv> | Needless to say there has been something of a push to help teams cross-pollinate their technologies, but it's hit some pretty fundamental stumbling blocks |
| 02:39 | <@Reiv> | "I didn't know Tech X even existed" makes it hard to integrate, for instance~ |
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| 03:37 | < MantaWaffles> | Hai! |
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| 03:44 | <@Reiv> | hellow, MantaWaffles . |
| 03:44 | <@Reiv> | How can we help? |
| 03:46 | < MantaWaffles> | I was wondering about the bots I've encountered so far. Is there somewhere I can go to learn more about them? |
| 03:47 | < MantaWaffles> | What are the most comon plugins? |
| 03:47 | < MantaWaffles> | *common |
| 03:49 | <@Reiv> | Bots? I have no idea. We've had a number of bots on the network in the past, particuarly dicebots |
| 03:57 | < MantaWaffles> | Let's see, on #twokinds, the bot '__self__' activates by 1)Describing any link posted. 2)Saying '@roulette' which activates a russian roulette game. 3)Saying '@seen <username>' which shows when <username> last was seen, and his/her last message. |
| 03:59 | < MantaWaffles> | And the Ban robot will say "Get a job" when any user says "%loveme" |
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| 04:22 | < MantaWaffles> | So, does anyone know what plugins activate via the symbols '@' and/or '%' |
| 04:26 | <@Orthia> | Generally speaking, that's user-specified |
| 04:27 | <@Orthia> | Like, someone chose it to start checking the string after the @ or % symbols; we've had bots that triggered on '!' or 'roll' or even 'd' at the start of a line |
| 04:27 | <@Orthia> | (To check for something like 'd20+5' as a dice roll command) |
| 04:27 | < MantaWaffles> | Yeah, I've also seen the '!'. Is there some kind of forum, wiki, or database I could go to to see more? |
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| 04:32 | <@Orthia> | Nnnot really |
| 04:32 | <@Orthia> | As noted, you can have a bot trigger on anything you darn well please |
| 04:33 | <@Orthia> | Because fundamentally, a bot is a series of scripts running in some application or other - suprisingly often, a bonafide chat client - that responds to text in channel in order to do something accordingly. |
| 04:33 | <@Orthia> | Heck, I once had my client scripted to occasionally answer something humorous when people mentioned toasters. |
| 04:33 | < MantaWaffles> | How does one do that? |
| 04:34 | <@Orthia> | Depends on the client. |
| 04:34 | <@Orthia> | mIRC? Painfully easily. |
| 04:34 | <@Orthia> | Quassel? Not at all. |
| 04:34 | <@Orthia> | Xchat? Somewhere in between, etc. |
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| 04:34 | < MantaWaffles> | I use Hexchat. Should I consider mIRC if I want to get into the art of bot making? |
| 04:35 | <@Orthia> | I wouldn't reccomend it. |
| 04:35 | <@Orthia> | It's easy to get started on, hard to do anything really useful with. |
| 04:36 | <@Orthia> | I've seen no less than three dicebots written in mIRC, and all of them can be summed up with "It seemed like a good idea at the time..." |
| 04:36 | <@Orthia> | I believe there are IRC-capable bot modules out there that you can take and customise to your will, though. Go find one with the magic of the googles. :) |
| 04:36 | < MantaWaffles> | Hmm. Where do you suggest starting? |
| 04:36 | < MantaWaffles> | Thanks! |
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| 05:17 | <~Vornicus> | My dicebot that I wrote with mIRC actually was written in Python, used DDE to communicate with mIRC |
| 05:20 | | * Vornicus offers orthia a toaster |
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| 07:01 | <@froztbyte> | whenever I see "toaster" in tech channels I think of After Dark |
| 07:01 | <@froztbyte> | heh: https://bryanbraun.github.io/after-dark-css/all/flying-toasters.html |
| 07:01 | <@froztbyte> | although I first saw it as the X opengl one |
| 07:04 | < MantaWaffles> | Ooh. I like it. |
| 07:06 | <@Julius> | Is that some kind of screensaver? |
| 07:07 | <&McMartin> | It is an very famous old screensaver. |
| 07:07 | <&McMartin> | Now rendered in glorious HTML5, I assume. |
| 07:09 | <@froztbyte> | Julius: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Dark_%28software%29 |
| 07:09 | <@froztbyte> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XScreenSaver was the one I first saw |
| 07:09 | <@froztbyte> | it was in '03/'04 and getting it to work was a minor achievement at the time |
| 07:10 | <@froztbyte> | because opengl and driver fuckery |
| 07:10 | <@froztbyte> | the SiS6326 I had at the time was too slow, the Riva TNT didn't have enough juice, and getting the TNT2 I borrowed from someone to work also involved a ton of fuckery |
| 07:11 | <@froztbyte> | iirc I ended up with an early-gen radeon and some crazy .so-copying hacks |
| 07:20 | < MantaWaffles> | Goodness, the whole world of IRC is overwhelming. I feel like I just took the red pill. |
| 07:21 | <&McMartin> | MantaWaffles: Reading the controlling RFCs? |
| 07:21 | <&McMartin> | Or the wild plethora of extensions? |
| 07:21 | < MantaWaffles> | I'm just reading everything that I accidentally cross reference. I've got like, 20 tabs open. |
| 07:22 | <&McMartin> | Ha ha |
| 07:22 | <&McMartin> | Mainlining information |
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| 09:27 | < MantaWaffles> | What clients, what networks, and what channels does everyone use? I'm attempting to learn more about IRC as a whole. |
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| 10:20 | <@TheWatcher> | Students discover an amazing fact: reading the documentation actually lets you write code to talk to the database server properly! |
| 10:20 | <@Azash> | ! |
| 10:20 | <@TheWatcher> | Who'd have thought?! |
| 10:21 | <@Azash> | But why are the students reading documentation, is this yet another example of the disjunction between academia and real life? |
| 10:23 | <@TheWatcher> | Mainly because I shoved the URL at them and told them that the instructions they needed were there. |
| 10:42 | <@gnolam> | Uploading at: 6.7 kB/s. |
| 10:42 | <@gnolam> | >_< |
| 10:42 | <@TheWatcher> | I recommend making the string a bit damper. |
| 10:47 | <@Julius> | gnolam: That's DOUBLEMODEM. |
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| 10:54 | <@gnolam> | Argh. It's basically "TCP/IP over bongo drums" speeds now. |
| 10:54 | <@gnolam> | They weren't kidding when they said that their ISP was having some issues. :P |
| 11:06 | <@Julius> | Maybe they're spamming Nigerians. |
| 11:22 | <@Tarinaky> | gnolam: TCP/IP over Carrier Pigeon actually has really high bitrates. |
| 11:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Scaling up bitrate is just a case of using more and bigger SD Cards. |
| 11:28 | <@gnolam> | Mmm, TeamViewer at 5 kB/s ;_; |
| 11:36 | <@thalass> | There was a tabloid news tv story once, lamenting the crappy satellite internet farmers were forced to use. They compared downloading a particular file over satellite vs the same file on a USB flash drive via carrier pigeon. The bird won. |
| 11:39 | <@Julius> | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm |
| 11:41 | <@Julius> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers |
| 11:42 | <@Tarinaky> | It's been implemented several times, and there's a formal RFC spec for implementing it. |
| 11:44 | <@Tarinaky> | It's also an opportunity to nerd out if you like Traveller because FTL comms in that game use TCP/IP over Jump-capable carrier pigeon^W^WX-Boat. |
| 11:45 | <@froztbyte> | TheWatcher: I read that like an announcement style thing from a Civ game |
| 11:45 | <@froztbyte> | the "Amazing Fact" part |
| 11:46 | | * Tarinaky groans at the news referring to things as 'crisis' when they aren't, in fact, crisis worthy |
| 11:46 | <@Tarinaky> | This is, potentially, a tragedy in the making... at best. |
| 11:46 | <@Tarinaky> | But only a personal tragedy. |
| 11:47 | <@Tarinaky> | Two children being /tested/ for Ebola in a developed country is not a crisis. |
| 11:47 | | * Tarinaky stops complaining now |
| 11:49 | <@TheWatcher> | *WARGLPANICFLAILEBOLADOOM*~ |
| 11:51 | <@Tarinaky> | They're described as having malarial symptoms. They're only being tested for Ebola because they're from Africa. |
| 11:51 | <@Tarinaky> | As in... the entire continent. |
| 11:51 | <@Tarinaky> | They don't know what country they're from. |
| 11:51 | <@TheWatcher> | http://fleet.starforge.co.uk/bender-doomed.jpg I tell you! |
| 11:53 | <@froztbyte> | ah, the news of places that don't have better things to care about |
| 11:54 | <@froztbyte> | "how I lol at thee" |
| 11:54 | <@froztbyte> | belgium's news is especially great in this sense |
| 11:55 | <@TheWatcher> | Not that Belgium actually exists~ |
| 11:57 | <@froztbyte> | hahaha |
| 11:58 | <@TheWatcher> | (next you'll be telling me the Pacific Northwest Tree Octapus isn't real!) |
| 12:07 | <@Julius> | (It's as real as Belgium.) |
| 12:09 | <@TheWatcher> | Irssi::TheWatcher::BotCore[4853]: Error in language parser: logical loop detected, aborting. |
| 12:11 | <@Julius> | I knew you were a meat popsicle! |
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| 13:41 | | * Julius is in a maze of Java classes, all alike. |
| 13:57 | | * Tarinaky cheers for the demise of the code review server. |
| 13:58 | <@Tarinaky> | (Like an unruley child cheering that the teacher is off ill) |
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| 16:28 | <&jerith> | Tarinaky: Don't you like having your code reviewed? |
| 16:29 | <@Tarinaky> | Does anyone? |
| 16:29 | <&jerith> | I do. |
| 16:29 | <@Tarinaky> | Just because it improves the quality of code, etc.. etc... etc... DOesn't mean I have to /like/ it. |
| 16:29 | <&jerith> | I get nervous when there's nobody to find the bugs I missed. |
| 16:30 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't find code reviews particularly helpful for finding bugs. |
| 16:31 | <&jerith> | More design bugs than code bugs. |
| 16:31 | <&jerith> | "Why did you do it this way instead of that way?" |
| 16:32 | <@Tarinaky> | Normally it's more "You should do it this way. Defect openned Do It This Way" |
| 16:32 | <&jerith> | "How does this bit work? I can't figure out the edge case." "... it doesn't. Thanks!" |
| 16:32 | <&jerith> | Tarinaky: That sounds like poor reviewing. |
| 16:33 | <@Tarinaky> | I only do code reviews when I don't want to work |
| 16:33 | <&jerith> | Unless you're violating documented standards. |
| 16:33 | <@Tarinaky> | Otherwise I ignore them >.> |
| 16:33 | <@Tarinaky> | Right, to home! |
| 16:33 | <&jerith> | If that's the way reviews happen where you work, they're not nearly as useful as they should be. |
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| 21:21 | < MantaWaffles> | Hello all. I'll just be lurking. Don't mind me. |
| 21:22 | <&McMartin> | ++ |
| 21:22 | <&McMartin> | If stuff comes up, feel free to monologue and you might get commentary later if someone happens by that knows what's up, for that is how we roll |
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| 21:47 | <@iospace> | hy MantaWaffles :) |
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| 21:47 | <@iospace> | McMartin: lke how I tend to ranta bout shitty vendor code? :P |
| 21:48 | <&McMartin> | Indeed! |
| 21:48 | < MantaWaffles> | Sup. |
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| 21:50 | <@iospace> | MantaWaffles: enjoying my day off ;P |
| 21:51 | < MantaWaffles> | I'm working today. I'm in my offtime. |
| 21:53 | <@iospace> | doing what? D: are you a code monkey, BOFH, webdev, other? |
| 21:54 | < MantaWaffles> | I work at my grandma's restaurant right now. It's quiet atm. |
| 21:55 | <@iospace> | ah... |
| 21:57 | <@iospace> | well, wht is your education then? :P |
| 21:57 | <@iospace> | or what do you do in your freetime! :D |
| 21:57 | < MantaWaffles> | I do a lot of things. Too many things. I'll list them when I'm off the phone. |
| 21:58 | <@iospace> | fair enough! |
| 21:59 | < Stumblinbear> | Ohai |
| 22:19 | <@Julius> | Two newbies? Is it September already? |
| 22:23 | < MantaWaffles> | Oh hush. I'm not that new to IRC. Just #code |
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| 22:36 | < MantaWaffles> | ionspace; to answer your question: Let's see... I sing, I act, I dance, I draw, I write, I carpent, I smith, I weld, I model, I game, I pun, much etc. I am truly a jack of all trades. |
| 22:36 | <@Tamber> | it's always September. |
| 22:38 | < Stumblinbear> | I don't do much at all. |
| 22:38 | < Stumblinbear> | xD |
| 22:38 | < Stumblinbear> | Well, compared to that list. |
| 22:39 | <@Julius> | Wow. Such list. So jack. |
| 22:39 | < MantaWaffles> | My official list is much longer, but I lost it. |
| 22:39 | < MantaWaffles> | I'm trying really hard to narrow down my hobbies. |
| 22:39 | < MantaWaffles> | It sucks. |
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| 23:06 | <~Vornicus> | mantawaffles: does your grandma's restaurant make waffles? |
| 23:32 | < MantaWaffles> | No, it's a panini grill and wine bar X3 |
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| 23:39 | | * gnolam flails at Qt. |
| 23:39 | <@gnolam> | Resize-while-keeping-aspect-ratio shouldn't be this hard. |
| 23:41 | <&McMartin> | Oh god |
| 23:41 | <&McMartin> | If you find a good solution for that - in any widget system - let me know |
| 23:53 | < MantaWaffles> | I use Rhinocerous. Resizing is super easy... |
| 23:54 | <~Vornicus> | I don't think MantaWaffles and gnolam are fighting with the same problem. |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I should restrict my statement to "desktop applications" |
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