| --- Log opened Sun Nov 02 00:00:01 2014 |
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| 07:18 | <@abudhabi> | Anyone know if there's a way to delete files with invalid filenames (copied from Linux partition) under Windows XP? |
| 07:26 | <@[R]> | Move everything else out then delete the entire directory? |
| 07:27 | <@abudhabi> | Doesn't work. |
| 07:28 | <@abudhabi> | Same error: The system can't find the file, because it has an invalid filename. |
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| 12:17 | <@gnolam> | abudhabi: the system or Explorer? |
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| 13:09 | < RchrdB> | abudhabi: the 2 ways I've used in practice are mounting the disk with Linux instead, and using samba from Linux |
| 13:11 | < RchrdB> | The latter is much less reliable, but sometimes Windows' seems to let SMB/CIFS clients use filenames that the win32 API rejects as impermissible |
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| 13:56 | <&ToxicFrog> | ...how did that even happen? IME the FAT and NTFS drivers won't let you create files with invalid names. |
| 14:38 | <@abudhabi> | I copied stuff from the Linux partition. |
| 14:38 | <@abudhabi> | gnolam: Explorer sees it enough to indicate that a file is there, but trying to do anything wih it yields it not being found. |
| 15:01 | <&McMartin> | I've totally seen that via ZIP files |
| 15:01 | <&McMartin> | The Tyrian soundtrack has a few, with files with commas in them |
| 15:01 | <&McMartin> | Which NTFS disallows |
| 15:03 | <@io> | i try not to use spaces in my filenames anymore |
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| 16:12 | <@Alek> | I've had extracted zips create files with ALL kinds of illegal characters, back on Fat32. on my 98 machine. |
| 16:12 | <@Alek> | possibly on my xp machine too, I forget. |
| 16:13 | <@Alek> | I think it was other language encodings that didn't translate right. |
| 16:13 | <@Alek> | seriously. there's SO many encodings that are incompatible with each other, and they can't even program in a tag to tell the OS which encoding to use? |
| 16:14 | <@Alek> | like they have been doing with image files, amongst others, for years now. |
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| 16:28 | <@froztbyte> | Alek: actually, people can |
| 16:28 | <@froztbyte> | they're just too damned lazy to do things right |
| 16:28 | <@froztbyte> | everything is terrible because people are bad |
| 16:31 | <@Alek> | People. |
| 16:32 | <@Alek> | What a bunch of bastards. |
| 16:32 | <@Alek> | I suspect we'll get encoding autodetect before people start using the tags reliably. XD |
| 16:32 | <@Alek> | that, or software will be programmed to automatically insert the correct tags. |
| 16:32 | <@Alek> | like it is with images. |
| 16:38 | <@gnolam> | abudhabi: yes, but does, say, "del *.foo" work? |
| 16:38 | <@gnolam> | Explorer is pickier about filenames than the actual file system. |
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| 16:59 | <@froztbyte> | gnolam: depends |
| 16:59 | <@froztbyte> | sometimes you can even just use a different syscall |
| 16:59 | <@froztbyte> | windows has a bunch of them |
| 16:59 | <@froztbyte> | some are ..... cheatable |
| 16:59 | <@froztbyte> | due to Hysterical Raisins |
| 17:00 | <@Alek> | or you can load a linux boot cd |
| 17:33 | < RchrdB> | ToxicFrog: nah. Linux's FAT and NTFS drivers are happy to create filenames that Windows sees as invalid. |
| 17:34 | < RchrdB> | ToxicFrog: *Windows'* NTFS driver (at least) is happy to create filenames that Win32 sees as invalid; it appears to assume that the rest of the syscall interface has already vetted the filenames? I've demonstrated this by accidentally creating invalid filenames using Samba. |
| 17:34 | < RchrdB> | s/Windows sees as invalid/Win32 sees as invalid/ |
| 17:35 | < RchrdB> | Much of the NT kernel is apparently a lot more flexible than the interface it provides to userland applications⦠|
| 17:35 | < RchrdB> | â¦at least that's the impression I got from reading Raymond Chen's blog, anyway. |
| 17:36 | < RchrdB> | Alek: fwiw, Linux and OS X both do "text encoding in filenames" in differing but defensible ways. |
| 17:38 | < RchrdB> | OS X does "all filenames are normalised (NFC) UTF-8" |
| 17:38 | < RchrdB> | Linux does "all filenames are sequences of bytes that include neither the by '/' nor the byte '\x00'" and leaves interpretation of them up to individual userland applications. |
| 17:39 | <@Alek> | yeah, I'm just saying, if you can't manage to do anything with the unusual filenames in Windows, you can boot to Linux and change them there. |
| 17:39 | < RchrdB> | I think offhand that the OS X kernel may actually normalise an argument to the open() syscall for you? I don't have an OS X machine to hand to test. |
| 17:40 | <@Alek> | I may have done that before, in fact. |
| 17:42 | < RchrdB> | That course of action was mentioned a few times already. :) |
| 17:43 | <@Alek> | mm? |
| 17:43 | < RchrdB> | Never mind. |
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| 18:35 | <@abudhabi> | gnolam: Same bunch of errors. |
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| 20:46 | | * Vornicus finally gets around to writing code for the silly xwing thing |
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| 21:05 | <@[R]> | X-Wing thing? |
| 21:06 | <~Vornicus> | Reiver asked about a particular situation in the X-Wing tabletop wargame |
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