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| 00:36 | <~Vornicus> | McM: how's progress on your mega man password thingummy? |
| 00:42 | <&McMartin> | I have collected all the documents |
| 00:43 | <&McMartin> | But I don't let myself work on this until I've made Sufficient IFComp Judging progress~ |
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| 01:59 | <@celticminstrel> | Mega man password thingummy? |
| 02:05 | <~Vornicus> | McM is working on a web page that given any set of game conditions, will generate a password that puts your game into that condition |
| 02:05 | <~Vornicus> | for mega man 2-7 |
| 02:06 | <@celticminstrel> | I suppose that would make sense if I'd ever played a mega man game. |
| 02:08 | <~Vornicus> | celmin: the mega man games came without saves |
| 02:08 | < Reiv> | Mega Man gave you the oldschool secret codes to load levels |
| 02:09 | < Reiv> | This was in fact a set of your actual save states |
| 02:27 | <~Vornicus> | I wonder how mm2's work |
| 02:50 | <&McMartin> | I've got that right here |
| 02:51 | <&McMartin> | But the short form is "there are nine dots. one is placed to indicate how many E-tanks you have. The other eight are in one place if a certain robot is defeated and in another if they are not." |
| 02:51 | <&McMartin> | How many E-Tanks you have also changes the encoding for the other 8, albeit in a very predicable way. |
| 02:51 | <&McMartin> | I will be posting the full docs tonight~ |
| 03:20 | < Reiv> | McMartin: So how did your previous interpretation manage to false-positive? |
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| 03:59 | <&McMartin> | Reiv: On 2? It didn't. On 7, there are two bits that are used as a sort of checksum (though they aren't really a sum) and I had the formula wrong |
| 04:03 | < Reiv> | ahhh |
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| 04:16 | <@[R]> | McMartin: the number pairs are basically position and bit correct? |
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| 04:39 | <&McMartin> | R: In the MM7 one? Yeah, though "bit" is pre-exponentiated. |
| 04:41 | <@[R]> | Okay, I might produce some generic functions tommorow. |
| 04:42 | | * [R] wanted something like this a month or so back |
| 04:42 | <&McMartin> | Presumably not for MM7 though, but as a generic bit/octal digit/hexit manipulation system? |
| 04:42 | <@[R]> | Yeah |
| 04:43 | <@[R]> | Make it so you'd need very little game specific stuff |
| 04:43 | <&McMartin> | One thing to note: JS uses doubles everywhere so it's not safe to use much over 48 bits in a single double. |
| 04:43 | <@[R]> | Wasn't planning to |
| 04:43 | <&McMartin> | I *think* JS guarantees IEEE 754 so you have 50-odd, but 32 is the largest "round number" of bits you can represent |
| 04:43 | <&McMartin> | In other news, that Atari I've been refurbishing is now drawing power |
| 04:43 | <&McMartin> | \o/ |
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| 05:08 | | * thalass tinkers with isbntools, works on a catalogue script |
| 05:08 | <@thalass> | As usual the UI is the bit I struggle with |
| 05:10 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: which is part of what makes http://bellard.org/jslinux/ so cool/crazy for me |
| 05:25 | <@froztbyte> | but everything like that is kinda insane too |
| 05:25 | <@froztbyte> | asm.js -> pypy.js |
| 05:25 | <@froztbyte> | at least, I think that's how pypy.js is working |
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| 05:52 | <&McMartin> | https://github.com/michaelcmartin/megaforge is live |
| 06:19 | <@froztbyte> | https://github.com/michaelcmartin/megaforge/blob/master/algorithms.txt no GH flavouring, booooo |
| 06:19 | | * froztbyte ducks, reads |
| 06:20 | <&McMartin> | Most of that document is from 1998, deal with it |
| 06:20 | <@froztbyte> | :D |
| 06:21 | <@froztbyte> | that's a neat system though |
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| 07:03 | < RchrdB> | McMartin: yes, you get ieee doubles in js. Integers up to about 1<<52 are exactly represented, but it's easier/safer to use bignums implemented in terms of the 32bit ints that you get by sticking "|0" on the end of every expression. |
| 07:06 | < RchrdB> | Appending "|0" to expressions is how asm.js implements int32_t. |
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| 12:17 | <@[R]> | function dumpArr(a) { return "[" + result.join(", ") + "]"; } // bug |
| 12:19 | < Xon> | [R], I can only stare in horror |
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| 12:45 | <@[R]> | BLOCK SUIZe |
| 12:45 | <@[R]> | ... |
| 13:14 | <@[R]> | McMartin: http://xiennith.com/megaman.js |
| 13:14 | <@[R]> | Completely untested ATM, but I have to leave right now |
| 13:27 | < RchrdB> | [R]: why «function dumpArr(a) { return "[" + result.join(", ") + "]"; }» and not «function dumpArr(a) { return JSON.stringify(a); }» ? |
| 13:28 | <@TheWatcher> | RchrdB: note the error in the code there |
| 13:28 | <@TheWatcher> | dumpArr(a) and result.join |
| 13:46 | < RchrdB> | I guess it would be terrible to break any existing code that depended on the exception that that throws... |
| 14:01 | <&ToxicFrog> | TheWatcher: man I didn't even notice that, I thought the error was that .join is not remotely safe for serialization |
| 14:02 | <@TheWatcher> | Anywhichway, it's screwed up! |
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| 14:57 | <@iospace> | http://i.imgur.com/OBoQYiG.png my feelings this morning |
| 15:01 | < RchrdB> | Yeah me either. |
| 15:02 | <@iospace> | WHY CAN'T I DO JOINS IN UPDATES |
| 15:02 | <@iospace> | WHY |
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| 15:12 | <@TheWatcher> | iospace: because oracle hates you and wants to drive you insane |
| 15:13 | <@iospace> | JOKES ON THEM |
| 15:13 | <@iospace> | I'M ALREADY MAD |
| 15:14 | <@Azash> | To quote a great poet of our time |
| 15:14 | <@Azash> | And he was MAD and ANGRY |
| 15:17 | <@Tarinaky> | What is the cheapest laptop I will find that 1) Has a 'full' OS, such that I can expect to run whatever compilers and interpretters I want on it. |
| 15:17 | <@Azash> | Is there a 2) ? |
| 15:18 | <@Tarinaky> | 2) Supports a OpenGL API/ |
| 15:18 | <@Tarinaky> | *a modern OpenGL API |
| 15:18 | <@Tarinaky> | But not for gaming |
| 15:18 | <@Tarinaky> | Just to be able to like... write OpenGL software on it. |
| 15:19 | <@Tarinaky> | Demos and things |
| 15:20 | <@Tarinaky> | The Toshiba Satellite Radius 11 looks nice, but it's not out for a few more days. |
| 15:20 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh, also I forgot 3) I'd really like to have Linux running on it |
| 15:20 | <@Tarinaky> | Because developing software on Windows is heartache and pain |
| 15:21 | <@Tarinaky> | I just want to be able to write/test/compile software in as small and as cheap a package as possible. |
| 15:25 | <@Azash> | You could probably run linux on a literal potato so that shouldn't be an issue |
| 15:25 | <@Tarinaky> | Just because it runs on a Potato doesn't mean it has support for Potato hardware. |
| 15:25 | < RchrdB> | Tarinaky: anything |
| 15:26 | <@Azash> | Tarinaky: Well I mean |
| 15:26 | <@iospace> | BAHAHAHAH FUCK YOU ORACLE |
| 15:26 | <@Tarinaky> | And there's no ACPI support for a Potato Battery, so you're tethered. |
| 15:26 | <@iospace> | FUUUUUUUCK YOU BAHAHAHAHAH |
| 15:26 | <@Tarinaky> | RchrdB: Anything? |
| 15:26 | <@Azash> | All you have to do is leave the potato out for a couple of days and it'll probably have grub |
| 15:26 | | * Azash pokerfaces |
| 15:26 | <@TheWatcher> | ... |
| 15:26 | < RchrdB> | Tarinaky: if you run up-to-date Linux on a current-gen Intel CPU, they have very good, reasonably conformant OpenGL implementations. |
| 15:26 | | * TheWatcher facepalm |
| 15:26 | < RchrdB> | Tarinaky: AIUI they just recently (in the last year) bumped it up to OpenGL 4.0, maybe? |
| 15:26 | <@TheWatcher> | Azash: that was bad. |
| 15:27 | <@Tarinaky> | RchrdB: Aye. But what's the cheapest laptop that's modern. |
| 15:27 | <@Tarinaky> | As opposed to getting a refurb like my last two laptops. |
| 15:27 | <@Azash> | TheWatcher: We'll agree to disagree |
| 15:27 | < RchrdB> | Tarinaky: for cheap + modern, get a Clevo or a Toshiba. |
| 15:28 | < RchrdB> | Toshiba are a brand, I've owned a few, they were fairly cheap and survived a lot of abuse though they were never spectacularly nice |
| 15:28 | < RchrdB> | Clevo are a Taiwanese company that make really cheap, nicer-than-they-should-be-given-the-price barebones laptops that lots of other companies resell |
| 15:30 | < RchrdB> | I'm using a Clevo laptop at the moment. What continent are you on? In the UK I'd recommend PCspecialist.co.uk, who assemble and sell on badged barebones laptops (mostly from Clevo, but one or two from MSI), have pretty good/quick service. |
| 15:31 | <@Tarinaky> | Yeah, I'm a UKian |
| 15:35 | < RchrdB> | I can never remember who's where. |
| 15:36 | | * Tarinaky rolls eyes. What is the point of offering a customisation service if you're not going to let people opt out of flashing it with a windows image. |
| 15:36 | <@Tarinaky> | Something-something Windows OEM Licensing Mafia. |
| 15:36 | < RchrdB> | Tarinaky: oh and PCSpecialist.co.uk offer "don't put Windows on it" as a £70 discount. |
| 15:36 | <@Tarinaky> | The thing I was looking at didn't |
| 15:37 | < RchrdB> | when buying the laptop that I am currently typing on, I saved £100 by buying it with (almost) no RAM since I had laptop RAM lying around, and a further £70 by omitting Windows. |
| 15:37 | <@Tarinaky> | Also: why is the SDCard soldered down (according to the spec) |
| 15:37 | <@Tarinaky> | That seems... slightly silly. |
| 15:39 | < RchrdB> | Tarinaky: ? http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/ultraNoteII-15/ the bottom option by "5) choose your operating system and software" is "NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED". |
| 15:39 | < RchrdB> | The previous, cheap but okay, laptop I had from them was an ultranote II 14". |
| 15:39 | <@Tarinaky> | I was looking at the 2-1 Tablets because they look cool. |
| 15:40 | < RchrdB> | I would assume that they mandate Windows because that touchscreen-y wank is made specifically for Win8 |
| 15:41 | <@Tarinaky> | :( |
| 15:42 | < RchrdB> | haha, the options for OS on the mini tablet are "Windows 8.1 Professional" and "Windows 8.1 Professional with Bingâ¢" |
| 15:43 | < RchrdB> | Don't do that, get a real laptop with Unix on it and if you want a tablet too then find a cheap mediocre Android that you won't miss after you drop it on the floor. |
| 15:43 | < RchrdB> | those tablets aren't really big enough for software development; you're going to get extremely ":(" if you try doing real work on a machine with 2GB of RAM |
| 15:44 | | * TheWatcher chuckles |
| 15:44 | <@Tarinaky> | The cheapest laptop they sell is the 10.1" Voyager Tablet :/ |
| 15:44 | < RchrdB> | that isn't a laptop |
| 15:44 | <@Tarinaky> | They list it under Laptops |
| 15:44 | <@Tarinaky> | Click configure a laptop |
| 15:44 | <@Tarinaky> | And it's there. |
| 15:44 | < RchrdB> | that's an accidental or malicious mis-filing |
| 15:45 | < RchrdB> | the cheapest *laptop* they sell is this thing http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/mirageII/ with an AMD APU in it, once you remove the Microsoft Tax from it. |
| 15:46 | < RchrdB> | http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/genesisV/ is almost exactly the same price after defenestration, come to think of it |
| 15:47 | < RchrdB> | oh |
| 15:47 | < RchrdB> | Tarinaky: get a Raspberry Pi? |
| 15:48 | < RchrdB> | you can do OpenGL ES on those; they run Quake 3 |
| 15:48 | < RchrdB> | I'm not sure how *modern* the OpenGL is, but still |
| 15:48 | < RchrdB> | I think it's fairly modern and shader-oriented |
| 15:48 | <@Tarinaky> | They don't have a screen/keyboard/etc... Plus the Graphics API on those is getting a little old now. |
| 15:49 | <@Tarinaky> | I'd rather not have to assemble some horrible breadboard-y rats nest on a train :P |
| 15:52 | <@[R]> | RchrdB: its for debug purposes only. |
| 15:52 | <@[R]> | Not my code anyways. |
| 15:56 | <@thalass> | Nothing wrong with a ten inch laptop. I rather liked my eeepc. though I never tried compiling anything on it |
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| 16:51 | < RchrdB> | Tarinaky: are you still shopping? I might be able to mail you some DDR3 DIMMs because there miiight be spare 2GB or 4GB sticks lying around. |
| 16:52 | < RchrdB> | We've been upgrading all the laptops in work to 16GB of RAM, so the 2GB and 4GB SODIMMs are basically useless to us. |
| 16:53 | < RchrdB> | Tarinaky: yeah, I have a pair of 4GB SODIMMs that are spare. |
| 16:53 | < RchrdB> | er, DDR3 SODIMMs |
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| 17:08 | | * RchrdB prods Tarinaky with 2x spare 4GB DDR3 SODIMMS. |
| 17:09 | <@Tarinaky> | RchrdB: I don't even know if I'll be able to afford the laptop yet. |
| 17:09 | <@Tarinaky> | RchrdB: Thanks for the offer though. |
| 17:10 | | * Tarinaky needs to wait till Christmas, basically. |
| 17:12 | < RchrdB> | Ah. :| |
| 17:12 | < RchrdB> | Dammit, I was hoping to make a problem go away. |
| 17:12 | < RchrdB> | It'd be nice to actually achieve something today. |
| 17:21 | <@Tarinaky> | Argh. |
| 17:21 | <@Tarinaky> | How do I use p4merge. |
| 17:22 | <@Tarinaky> | I've selected which file to prefer. |
| 17:22 | <@Tarinaky> | How do I move on? |
| 17:25 | < RchrdB> | I don't know the first thing about Perforce. ToxicFrog might? |
| 17:25 | <@Tarinaky> | NM, I got it. |
| 17:26 | <@Tarinaky> | I was using it with git. |
| 17:26 | <@Tarinaky> | But p4merge was the only mergetool I had installed so... |
| 17:28 | <@froztbyte> | no vimdiff? |
| 17:29 | <@Tarinaky> | Not installed. |
| 17:29 | <@Tarinaky> | I figured it out anyway. |
| 17:29 | <@Tarinaky> | I had to click save, and then exit. |
| 17:29 | <@froztbyte> | are you writing code on an abacus? :D |
| 17:29 | <@Tarinaky> | And then it'd take me to the next file. |
| 17:30 | <@Tarinaky> | froztbyte: Close. Windows. |
| 17:30 | <@froztbyte> | eh, that's insane but not impossible |
| 17:30 | <@froztbyte> | I mean, it sounds exceptionally painful to do /anything/ |
| 17:30 | <@froztbyte> | but you can get pretty far |
| 17:31 | <&McMartin> | WinGit is only slowly moving out of stone knives and bearskins mode |
| 17:31 | <@Tarinaky> | Cygwin is the only way to use git on Windows. |
| 17:31 | <@Tarinaky> | Well, there's also a github app which looked alright. |
| 17:31 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: that statement holds for a lot of things. |
| 17:31 | <&McMartin> | Hate Cygwin |
| 17:31 | <@froztbyte> | although the default cygwin shell thing is horrible ass |
| 17:32 | <@froztbyte> | it's possible to replace it but takes some effort |
| 17:32 | <&McMartin> | Also, I still think the WinGit distro is basically "a copy of MSYS with git in it" |
| 17:32 | <@Azash> | McMartin: Want to know something fun? |
| 17:32 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: haha |
| 17:32 | <@Azash> | I was looking up I2P papers for my BSc thesis the other day |
| 17:32 | <@Azash> | And the web page title, when I had a PDF open, was |
| 17:32 | <@Azash> | "C:/cygwin/home/RSMITS/research/spator/git/writeup/paper/writeup.dvi" |
| 17:32 | <&McMartin> | froztbyte: It kind of had to be, since ANAICT big chunks of it were written in shell |
| 17:33 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: yeah.... |
| 17:33 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: don't look under the hood. |
| 17:33 | <@froztbyte> | seriously |
| 17:33 | | * froztbyte has made that mistake |
| 17:33 | <&McMartin> | But I mean, that was literally the distro. The windows integration was "right click on a directory, and you get the option Git Bash Here" |
| 17:33 | <&McMartin> | You couldn't even right click within the directory itself to do it to the current directory. -_- |
| 17:33 | <@froztbyte> | hey, it works, doesn't it? ;D |
| 17:34 | <&McMartin> | It does, and I've been too lazy to upgrade |
| 17:34 | <&McMartin> | But my understanding is that TortoiseGit and similar tools actually work now. |
| 17:34 | <@froztbyte> | I've heard the same thing |
| 17:36 | <@Tarinaky> | So I'm having trouble coming up with a set of grammar productions for this... |
| 17:37 | <@Tarinaky> | https://gist.github.com/Tarinaky/c715db4a881505d63782 |
| 17:37 | <@Tarinaky> | The above is /supposed/ to be expanding into a DiceSeries |
| 17:38 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh wait |
| 17:38 | | * Tarinaky facepalms |
| 17:38 | <@Tarinaky> | I am a massive derp |
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| 17:53 | <@Tarinaky> | So... |
| 17:53 | <@Tarinaky> | Updated version with the /right/ error this time https://gist.github.com/Tarinaky/c715db4a881505d63782 |
| 17:53 | <@Tarinaky> | WTF isn't Series matching that? |
| 17:55 | <@Tarinaky> | Hmm... |
| 17:56 | <@Tarinaky> | If I change it to: |
| 17:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Subexpression = Series | Addition | Subtraction | Term |
| 17:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Series = Subexpression:a ws ',' ws Subexpression:b -> (',', a, b) |
| 17:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Expression = Series | Subexpression |
| 17:56 | <@Tarinaky> | It works |
| 17:56 | <@Tarinaky> | So I guess that's the issue. |
| 17:56 | | * Tarinaky is so bad at this >.< |
| 18:02 | <&McMartin> | [R]: Cheers. If I loot some of this how do you want to be credited? |
| 18:02 | <&McMartin> | (The abstraction cut isn't quite what I'm aiming for here because our goals are a little different, but some of it will be helpful) |
| 18:07 | <@[R]> | Robin Stamer is fine |
| 18:07 | <@[R]> | I've a few more functions to add |
| 18:08 | <@[R]> | What specifically isn't going to be usable for you? |
| 18:09 | <&McMartin> | The "Base class" MegaCode is picking stuff that's very unique to the MM7 system, compared to the 2-6 systems. |
| 18:10 | <&McMartin> | So stuff that's being put in the prototype here is stuff that otherwise wouldn't escape the MM7 namespace, etc. |
| 18:10 | <&McMartin> | "isn't usable" is too strong a term |
| 18:11 | <&McMartin> | But, like, an MM2 code instead looks like "A4 B24 C135 D2 E45". |
| 18:11 | | * Tarinaky blinks at Python for being obtuse... |
| 18:11 | <&McMartin> | In human form. |
| 18:11 | <@Tarinaky> | assert tree == ('d', 1, 20), tree |
| 18:11 | <@Tarinaky> | AssertionError: ('d', 1, '20') |
| 18:11 | <@Tarinaky> | So... wh- |
| 18:11 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh |
| 18:11 | <&McMartin> | 20 != '20' |
| 18:11 | <@Tarinaky> | Never mind. |
| 18:27 | | * Julius recalls that sometimes in PHP, 0 != 0. |
| 18:27 | | * Tarinaky is so bad at compilers and has no idea how to fix this mess. |
| 18:28 | <@Tarinaky> | I have 12/15 tests passing though. |
| 18:28 | <@Tarinaky> | But I'm having trouble figuring out how to get the associativity right :/ |
| 18:28 | <@Tarinaky> | assert tree == ('*', ('/', 10, 2), 5), tree |
| 18:28 | <@Tarinaky> | AssertionError: ('/', 10, ('*', 2, 5)) |
| 18:29 | <@Tarinaky> | For the input string 10/2*5 |
| 18:30 | <@[R]> | Ah, so inequal sized blocks, fair enough. |
| 18:31 | <@[R]> | I think you'd be able to just overwrite stringPretty since AFAIK that's the only one that really cares about the blocks. |
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| 21:01 | < Vorntastic> | Tarinaky: for things that associate lefrt to right, pop operators of identical priority when you get another. |
| 21:02 | < Vorntastic> | (<= instead of <) |
| 21:16 | < Vorntastic> | (You are checking a dictionary to discover priority, right?) |
| 21:43 | <@Turaiel> | Who wants to answer a CSS question? :D |
| 21:44 | <@celticminstrel> | Depends on the question. |
| 21:45 | <@iospace> | Syloq: quick question: did that only go to the people on the effected server or was it global? |
| 21:45 | <@Turaiel> | I'm writing a Stylish stylesheet for an application that is for some reason using a // in its CSS for the element I want to modify |
| 21:46 | <@Syloq> | iospace; everyone because services is global. |
| 21:46 | <@iospace> | ah |
| 21:46 | <@Syloq> | only milliways will be restarted. |
| 21:46 | <@iospace> | what server is it on then...? |
| 21:46 | <@Turaiel> | The browser is getting confused by the // and it won't apply my styles |
| 21:46 | <@Syloq> | oops |
| 21:46 | <@iospace> | yeah :P |
| 21:46 | | * iospace is on deepthought, but still |
| 21:46 | <@celticminstrel> | Why would there be a //... |
| 21:46 | <@Turaiel> | It's a poorly coded application |
| 21:46 | <@iospace> | because reasons |
| 21:47 | <@iospace> | Syloq: V: |
| 21:47 | <@Syloq> | now you're nightstar famous |
| 21:48 | <@TheWatcher> | I'm sure there's a couple of letters missing there~ |
| 21:48 | <@iospace> | I think TheWatcher is right~ :P |
| 21:57 | <@iospace> | I blame Syloq ~ |
| 21:58 | <@Syloq> | Time to watch 32 of your closest friends go offline... |
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| 22:09 | <@Syloq> | And done... |
| 22:09 | <@Syloq> | now back to paid work... |
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