| --- Log opened Sun Oct 12 00:00:52 2014 |
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| 02:05 | <@gnolam> | TheWatcher: which Amiga game? |
| 02:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | Jesus goatfucking christ, Java |
| 02:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | For something that is supposedly founded on the principle of Write Once Run Anywhere it sure doesn't have any API for asking "where should I store my configuration files" |
| 02:57 | < RchrdB> | ToxicFrog: I sorta assume that most Java things use System.getProperty("config_file") and ship with a .bat file that does ``java.exe -cp ... foo.jar -Dconfig_file="c:\documents and settings\whatever.cfg"`` and a .sh file that does ``java -cp ... foo.jar -Dconfig_file="${HOME}"/.whatever.cfg`` |
| 02:58 | < RchrdB> | Don't quote though, I only say that because I don't remember having ever seen a sizable Java program that didn't come with a .bat file and a .sh file to launch it on Windows and to launch it on Unix respectively. |
| 03:04 | <&Derakon> | TF: would this help? http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/prefs/package-summary.html |
| 03:04 | <&Derakon> | In particular http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/prefs/Preferences.html |
| 03:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | That looks like exactly what I need, although god forbid they document somewhere which version of Java that was introduced in. |
| 03:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | That said, the entire project has been rendered obsolete, so never mind. |
| 03:08 | <&Derakon> | Heh. |
| 03:08 | <&Derakon> | Well, now you know. |
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| 08:45 | <&McMartin> | Java Prefs are ooooold |
| 08:45 | <&McMartin> | At least 1.3 old, IIRC. |
| 08:45 | <&McMartin> | IDNRC |
| 08:45 | <&McMartin> | On the linked page: |
| 08:45 | <&McMartin> | "Since: 1.4" |
| 08:46 | <&McMartin> | The javadocs are good about "supported since" |
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| 12:18 | <@TheWatcher> | gnolam: http://hol.abime.net/2380 - this one |
| 12:22 | <@gnolam> | Aha |
| 12:22 | <@gnolam> | Not one I've played. |
| 12:26 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah, it's a pretty obscure one. Essentially boils down to a mix of keyhunt, maze explorer, and puzzle game with bits of shooting. I'd never finished it, and my last attempt a few years ago ran into a problem that I'm pretty sure is caused by a bug in the level loader under emulation. |
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| 12:39 | | * McMartin reads backscroll |
| 12:39 | <&McMartin> | As it happens, I never learned 68k assembler! |
| 12:39 | <&McMartin> | It's a clear gap in my knowledge. |
| 13:00 | <@TheWatcher> | I used to really like working with it, but haven't had any need to for ages, obviously |
| 13:03 | | * Syka eyes TheWatcher |
| 13:03 | < Syka> | how does one exactly enjoy assembler |
| 13:05 | <@Tamber> | Well, a prerequisite is usually "It's not x86 assembler" |
| 13:06 | <@Tamber> | Because that way lies a pit of hate and spiders, intended only for output of compilers. |
| 13:08 | <&McMartin> | 68k is rumored to be very clean |
| 13:08 | <&McMartin> | 6502 is not so clean but it's small enough that it doesn't matter |
| 13:08 | <&McMartin> | It's real bad at representing C pointers, hilariously |
| 13:14 | <@TheWatcher> | 68k is definitely the nicest assembler I've worked with, although you have to be careful with its different addressing modes |
| 13:16 | <&McMartin> | I hear nice things about ARM |
| 13:27 | <@gnolam> | 68k is nice. |
| 13:29 | <@gnolam> | Having to input it on a line-by-line assembler that dates back to roughly the 68k's original release is not, however. ;_; |
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| 13:36 | <@gnolam> | And yes, ARM is also good. |
| 13:36 | <@gnolam> | Most of the RISC-likes are. |
| 13:37 | <@gnolam> | ("RISC architecture is gonna change everything." "Yeah, RISC is good.") |
| 13:38 | <@Tamber> | People seem to forget that merely being good doesn't ensure success. |
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| 15:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | 68k is what the asm course was taught in at my school. It was pretty nice and the textbook was fantastic. |
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| 15:52 | < RchrdB> | I remember one class in uni had us working with an assembler but I can't remember what |
| 15:53 | < RchrdB> | I think it was some made-up ISA for pedagogy |
| 15:53 | < RchrdB> | Also, programming PIC14xxxs in school :) |
| 15:54 | < RchrdB> | I think they deliberately only gave us a tiny subset of the ISA in order to stop us confusing ourselves too much |
| 15:54 | < RchrdB> | Still fun though |
| 16:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | We did 68k on actual machines for the asm class, and used a made up ISA -- I forget which one -- for Compilers |
| 16:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | And of course we had to design our own for CPU design |
| 16:47 | < RchrdB> | Cool |
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| 17:42 | | * TheWatcher readsup, notes that ARM is nice, but gives him flashbacks to his second year processor design class |
| 17:43 | <@TheWatcher> | (which was taught by Steve Furber, and involved interminable hours screaming at xyxilinx boards) |
| 17:49 | <&ToxicFrog> | Fuck Xilinx, in hell, forever |
| 17:49 | <@gnolam> | Dread Lord Xilinx, destroyer of HDL code. |
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| 17:52 | < RchrdB> | One of the interesting things that I remember reading about Xilinx and Altera is that apparently they're responsible for a rich, almost neverending font of software engineering research |
| 17:52 | <@gnolam> | (Or as our professor told when we were struggling with a bit of VHDL that inexplicably got "optimized" out of the synthesis: "Xilinx works in mysterious ways") |
| 17:52 | <@gnolam> | *told us |
| 17:52 | < RchrdB> | because their tooling for FPGA coding is so god awful |
| 17:53 | < RchrdB> | ...there are dozens of projects that do things like "here's a Scala EDSL that generates HDL which works correctly when you put it through the compiler and onto an FPGA" |
| 17:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | Snrk |
| 17:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | I can easily believe that |
| 17:54 | < RchrdB> | ...and it's "easy" to demonstrate a practical benefit, because the vendors' tooling is so awful that almost anything else is a demonstrable productivity improvement |
| 17:55 | <@TheWatcher> | gnolam: s/ in mysterious ways/?/ ~ |
| 17:57 | <@gnolam> | Heh |
| 17:59 | <@froztbyte> | y'all have seen http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2014/03/getting-my-feet-wet-with-invasive.htm l right? |
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| 20:05 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Your "reactable quips" I7 library needs an update. |
| 20:06 | <&jerith> | The new compiler doesn't like the formatting of your two empty tables. |
| 20:06 | <&jerith> | Replacing them with the following does the trick: |
| 20:06 | <&jerith> | Table of Ask Results |
| 20:06 | <&jerith> | NPC (a person)topic (a topic)result (a quip) |
| 20:06 | <&jerith> | with 1 blank row |
| 20:06 | <&jerith> | Table of Tell Results |
| 20:06 | <&jerith> | NPC (a person)topic (a topic)result (a quip) |
| 20:06 | <&jerith> | with 1 blank row |
| 20:08 | | * jerith puts Battle Stations down again. |
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| 21:00 | < RchrdB> | That's interesting. The Terms of Use on startssl.com specify that people buying SSL certificates are not to reuse the same private key, when renewing a cert. I wonder how many other SSL cert vendors have that? |
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| 21:38 | <&McMartin> | jerith: Fully updated versions have been on my site for awhile |
| 21:38 | <&McMartin> | The extensions maintainer has not been returning my emails for some reason. -_- |
| 21:38 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Ah. |
| 21:39 | <&McMartin> | Anyway, bumbershootsoft.wordpress.com has the links. |
| 21:45 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Got them, thanks. |
| 21:45 | <&McMartin> | Note that the API changed a bit |
| 21:46 | <&McMartin> | (In addition to the tiny compilation level changes, the new version ties into the new library messages mechanism for its overrides.) |
| 21:46 | <&McMartin> | (Also a long-standing annoyance in the API has been repaired.) |
| 21:50 | <&jerith> | I'm not really using it very much yet. Battle Stations compiles with the new version. |
| 21:52 | <&McMartin> | The big change is that you no longer need to dick around with activities to change the convo menu and can instead inline it into the quips themselves. |
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