| --- Log opened Thu Jul 31 00:00:47 2014 |
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| 01:19 | <@macdjord> | Can somebody who's running *nix do me a wuick favour? Just put http://www.ioccc.org/1991/davidguy.c through the C Preprocessor and email or pastbin the output for me. (Note: If you have a modern compiler, you may need to set flags to turn off such helpful things as automatic parenthesization of macros.) |
| 01:19 | <@macdjord> | See, I'm fiddling with a high-efficiency Conway's Life simulator, and according to the documentation, this code uses a /very/ efficient algorithm for evolving Life states. Alas, it's an Obfuscated C Code entry, so the entire thing is deliberatly macroed into unreadability. I don't have a C dev enviroment handy to decode it. |
| 01:20 | <@macdjord> | (The full contest entry is here: http://www.ioccc.org/years-spoiler.html#1991_davidguy ) |
| 01:21 | < ToxicFrog> | ...why not just install one? |
| 01:24 | < ToxicFrog> | Also, running it through cpp doesn't really help: https://gist.github.com/ToxicFrog/12463c45d4e6edf27560 |
| 01:24 | <@macdjord> | Because none of the machines I have immediate access to are *nix - well, the dev servers at work are, but I'm not going to risk loading outside code on there for personal purposes - and I don't want to bother installing a C compiler I'll never use on Windows. |
| 01:25 | < ToxicFrog> | You'd be using it right now, ne? |
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| 01:26 | <@macdjord> | ToxicFrog: It helps quite a bit; that code I can parse, cleaning up as I go. (Though if you have a IDE or text editor that has an autofromat command, i wouldn't say 'no'~) |
| 01:27 | <@macdjord> | ToxicFrog: This is just an idle project, mostly; I'm not sure if I'll ever compile anything for it. I mostly just enjoy playing with the algorithms. |
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| 01:29 | <@macdjord> | (If I were doing it for real, I'd be using something other than C; this isn't one of the 5 legitimate uses.) |
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| 01:31 | < ToxicFrog> | I'm pretty sure I don't, sorry. |
| 01:32 | <@macdjord> | Pity. |
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| 01:48 | | * macdjord ponders the 5 Legitimate Uses of C |
| 01:48 | <@macdjord> | This That Touch The Bare Metal (drivers, the lower levels of OSes); Things That Run Other Things (VMs, interpreters); Things That Are Very CPU Intensive (video editing, rendering, nuclear modeling); Things Where Microseconds Matter (real-time systems: chemical process control, high-frequncy trading); Things Where The Easy Way Isn't (teaching exercises, generated code, proven-correct code). |
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| 01:50 | < ToxicFrog> | macdjord: Life is arguably #3 |
| 01:50 | < ToxicFrog> | At least the way I use it~ |
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| 01:51 | <@macdjord> | ToxicFrog: If I were attempting to do Serious Research and therefore needed to process millions of generations on large boards, sure. |
| 01:52 | < ToxicFrog> | macdjord: my typical use of Life even as a kid started with 4096x4096 boards and went up from there~ |
| 01:52 | <@macdjord> | And? I could write something in Perl that processed 4kX4k boards faster than the eye can see. |
| 01:54 | <@macdjord> | Really, #5 is the closest here; I'm trying for the sort of trim-individual-machine-instructions efficiency that just isn't /possible/ with anything higher-level than C. |
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| 01:54 | <@macdjord> | Just as a way of keeping score. |
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| 06:33 | < Harlow> | anyone know of an application that will let you extract files from a disk thats boot record is messed up, kind of like a raw file read? |
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| 11:42 | < gnolam___> | macdjord: I think you'll find that basically all nuclear modelling is written in Fortran. :) |
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| 14:08 | <@macdjord> | gnolam: That kist was 'places where using C rather than a proper HLL is acceptable', not 'place C is actually used'. |
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| 20:54 | | * Alek blinks. |
| 20:54 | <@Alek> | was it McM that was working on porting UQM? |
| 20:55 | | * Alek just saw a torrent listing for a bunch of modern ports. |
| 20:55 | <@celticminstrel> | Yes, that's McM. |
| 20:56 | <&McMartin> | "was working on" = "basically finished seven-to-ten years ago" |
| 20:56 | <@celticminstrel> | Heh. |
| 20:56 | <@celticminstrel> | Isn't there still some work on it though? |
| 20:56 | <@celticminstrel> | But I guess that's not porting work. |
| 20:56 | <&McMartin> | There is, but if we're being real literally everything post 0.4 was maintenance, refactoring, or SvdB's netplay mods. |
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| 20:57 | <@Alek> | oh ok. |
| 20:57 | <@Alek> | cool. |
| 20:57 | <@Alek> | *looks* the windows and macosx ports are 0.7.0 |
| 20:57 | <&McMartin> | Good |
| 20:58 | <&McMartin> | That's "the right" one - the one where 3DO content is properly integrated with end-user mods. |
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