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| 01:25 | <&McMartin> | Yay, non-re-entrant event handlers |
| 01:25 | | * McMartin does the murder to them to make them re-entrant. |
| 01:29 | < simon_> | if functors exist between categories, and we always consider the category of types, aren't all Haskell functors endofunctors? |
| 01:44 | <@RchrdB> | simon_, Haskell's "Functor" typeclass isn't quite the same thing as the category-theoretic concept. |
| 01:45 | <@RchrdB> | normally when you talk about bringing category theory into Haskell, you talk about the language itself as a category called "Hask", with Haskell types as objects and functions between them as arrows. http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Hask |
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| 06:24 | < Harlow> | goto is frown upon because it makes hard to decipher position of code loops, are there any other standard features in modern programming languages that are frown upon? |
| 06:25 | <@Alek> | code blocks without indenting? |
| 06:25 | | * Alek shrugs. |
| 06:26 | < Harlow> | i guess, its pretty brutal sometimes. |
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| 07:51 | <&jeroud> | Harlow: There are many modern languages that lack GOTO. |
| 07:55 | < Harlow> | have they put in anything equally as frown upon? |
| 07:58 | <@ErikMesoy> | Harlow: Operator overloading? |
| 07:58 | <@ErikMesoy> | "Let's see, what is + defined to mean here?" |
| 07:58 | < Harlow> | operator overloading is frown upon? |
| 07:59 | < Harlow> | oh yeah i guess that would make sense. |
| 07:59 | < Harlow> | just send it to a function that takes in the prams and returns back what the function is called is probably a better way to read it. |
| 08:27 | <&jeroud> | Operator overloading is very useful for a certain set of things, but also very easy to abuse. |
| 08:29 | <&jeroud> | I prefer the way haskell and OCaml do it, where you can define nonstandard infix operators. |
| 08:30 | <&jeroud> | So you get to invent things like >|> or *&= instead of being restricted to overloading + or whatever. |
| 08:31 | < Harlow> | oh nice, that should definitely be a thing in other languages, like c++. |
| 08:33 | <&jeroud> | C++ is a pretty horrible language for other reasons. |
| 08:33 | | * macdjord|slep makes a note of that idea |
| 08:33 | <&jeroud> | Harlow: What languages do you know? |
| 08:34 | <&jeroud> | Well enough to write nontrivial code in, that is. |
| 08:35 | <&jeroud> | (Even if you need a reference handy to do it.) |
| 08:35 | < Harlow> | c++, PHP, Javascript, Python,Swift (well); Ruby, C,C#, Matlab, bash ( so so ). |
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| 08:35 | <&jeroud> | Go learn a couple of functional languages. |
| 08:36 | < Harlow> | suggestions? |
| 08:36 | <&jeroud> | Haskell, OCaml, Erlang, Scheme, etc. |
| 08:36 | <&jeroud> | I'm learning OCaml at the moment and it's pretty good so far. |
| 08:37 | < Harlow> | is there an advantage to any of them? which do you like the most? |
| 08:40 | <&jeroud> | OCaml. I haven't wrapped my head around Haskell properly yet, though. |
| 08:40 | <&jeroud> | Oops, running out of battery. Back in a bit when I'm home. |
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| 12:59 | <@RchrdB> | aaargh, when you find like fifty unit tests that all do something heinously stupid and get away with it even though it would never work in production |
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| 14:26 | <@froztbyte> | RchrdB: kwality! |
| 15:03 | | * RchrdB quietly adds some `if (stupid_condition(idiotic_variable)) raise ValueError(...)` |
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| 15:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | RchrdB: oh hey, that's my week right now @.@ |
| 16:00 | <@RchrdB> | My current minute is "What's in this variable? Is it a float? Maybe it's an int? Maybe it's a decimal.Decimal()! Fuck if we can be bothered to enforce one." |
| 16:00 | <@RchrdB> | Bonus: there are two methods of filling everything out, one through a json.load() of a big structure and t'other through web forms which do various other casts. |
| 16:01 | <@RchrdB> | Bonus: sometimes they numbers are the result of str(float(x)) because we are all sinners and deserve to be punished. |
| 16:03 | <@RchrdB> | Bonus: the _persistent storage_ for this stuff is all dynamically typed. |
| 16:04 | <@RchrdB> | Bonus: there are constructors and setters but they don't enforce uniformity at all because fuck you. |
| 16:05 | <@ErikMesoy> | Maybe there should be a coding substance comparable to unobtainium: unmaintainium. |
| 16:05 | <@Azash> | Also known as everyseriousprojecteverinium |
| 16:10 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, I'm just dealing with 50-odd tests that are doing it wrong, but work because the library they use fixes things in the background |
| 16:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | We are migrating them to a new library that is not as forgiving. |
| 16:11 | <@ErikMesoy> | Raw codium is highly unstable and radioactive, decaying into unmaintainium with a half-life of mere weeks. Various refining processes can produce higher-grade stable codium that has a half-life measured in years. |
| 16:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | So suddenly these tests not properly initializing things are actually failing. |
| 16:12 | < luke> | ErikMesoy: Don't forget the effects of bombarding it with Managementon particles. |
| 16:12 | <@ErikMesoy> | luke: morons? |
| 16:13 | < luke> | Scientists believe they may be the same. |
| 16:16 | <@ErikMesoy> | Anecdotal evidence suggests that the instability of codium may actually result from high reactivity and contamination effects; blocks of codium kept in vacuum-sealed, tamper-proof environments are sometimes alleged to be more stable. |
| 16:16 | <@ErikMesoy> | Dissenters allege that this merely disguises the symptoms of decay, and codium blocks kept in storage too long will instead eventually collapse into hunks of pure unmaintainium when retrieved. |
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