| --- Log opened Sun May 11 00:00:02 2014 |
| 00:08 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hmm. 2D arithmetic. I want to adjust the length of a vector by adjusting its two parameters, but I want it still pointed in the same direction. How? |
| 00:08 | <~Vornicus> | In component form, multiply each component by new_length / old_length |
| 00:09 | <~Vornicus> | in direction-length form it's a little more obvious, but you usually don't keep vectors in that form. |
| 00:09 | <~Vornicus> | (current length is sqrt(sum(x^2 for x in components)) |
| 00:09 | <&McMartin> | ... make sure old-length isn't 0 |
| 00:09 | <~Vornicus> | (of course a vector of length 0 has no direction) |
| 00:12 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, but your argument to scale-magnitude will be length 0 organically the first time you try it for real~ |
| 00:13 | | * McMartin dials up his INT and dials down his SAN. |
| 00:13 | <&McMartin> | It's time for project libc64basic. |
| 00:13 | <&McMartin> | All the prerequisites have been met. |
| 00:14 | <@TheWatcher> | MADNESS |
| 00:15 | <&Derakon> | Oh dear. |
| 00:15 | <&McMartin> | Last night I managed to hook the system clock into BASIC's subsystem and use it to seed its randomizer. |
| 00:15 | <&McMartin> | I think I now have from Mapping all the addresses to properly hijack the floating point routines from the BASIC ROM |
| 00:16 | <&McMartin> | ... and as long as you are doing that you might as well *also* lift out all the trig functions &c. |
| 00:16 | <&Derakon> | ...BASIC has floating point routines? |
| 00:16 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, pretty much every BASIC ever is floating point everywhere by default. |
| 00:16 | <&Derakon> | ...and trig? |
| 00:16 | <&Derakon> | Weird. |
| 00:16 | <&Derakon> | I wouldn't have thought the C64 would have an FPU. |
| 00:16 | <&McMartin> | It doesn't. |
| 00:16 | <&Derakon> | So it's all done in software? |
| 00:16 | <&McMartin> | That's why it's all in the BASIC ROM. |
| 00:16 | <&McMartin> | Yeah. |
| 00:16 | <&Derakon> | ...right, okay. |
| 00:16 | <&Derakon> | Still, that can't be cheap cycles-wise. |
| 00:17 | <&McMartin> | The prereqs were "find the addresses that do the FP stuff" |
| 00:17 | <&McMartin> | Yeah. |
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| 00:17 | <&McMartin> | The difference between BASIC and ML in C64 stuff for "ordinary" things you do in ML is on the order of tens of thousands of times |
| 00:17 | <&Derakon> | Parse error. |
| 00:17 | <&Derakon> | What? |
| 00:17 | <&McMartin> | Write a program in ML |
| 00:18 | <&McMartin> | Write a logically similar program in BASIC |
| 00:18 | <@celticminstrel> | 10000 times faster? |
| 00:18 | <&McMartin> | The BASIC program is tens of thousands of times slower. |
| 00:18 | <@celticminstrel> | The ML one. |
| 00:18 | <&Derakon> | Righto. |
| 00:18 | <@celticminstrel> | That's what I thought he said. |
| 00:18 | <&McMartin> | As in "copy 2K of RAM from one place to another" is 30 seconds in basic and less than a frame in ML. |
| 00:19 | <&McMartin> | But it doesn't keep an AST either, so it's reparsing each statement each time, too |
| 00:19 | <&McMartin> | And running a garbage collector, and keeping all variables in dynamic storage |
| 00:19 | <&McMartin> | There's a lot going on in these 6K. |
| 00:19 | <&McMartin> | One of the things I'm curious about is if it's the FP that slows it down or the interpretation. |
| 00:20 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, FP is work, but it should only be like factor-of-ten work, and even there |
| 00:20 | <&McMartin> | The C64 CPU not only doesn't have an FPU |
| 00:20 | <&McMartin> | It doesn't have a multiplier. |
| 00:21 | <&McMartin> | Step 1 is basically "compile addresses and maybe write a few support routines into a library that lets you link the BASIC ROM as a useful run-time library" |
| 00:21 | <&McMartin> | Step 2 is probably going to be "repurpose one of the seven or eight expression parsers I've collected over the years into a proper formula translator for when you need to Math in an ML program" |
| 00:23 | <&McMartin> | Unless that's step 3. Which ever of the three steps that isn't, the *other* step is probably "turn Hammurabi into machine code as a proof-of-concept of whichever step was the previous one" |
| 00:36 | <@AnnoDomini> | Whee! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTK0_HCdowU&feature=youtu.be |
| 00:37 | <&Derakon> | Anno: in Escape Velocity, that's what ships looked like when they were fighting. |
| 00:37 | <&Derakon> | Since the AI was "point at other ship, fire engines, fire weapons when in range". |
| 00:38 | <@Tarinaky> | Argh. I fucking hate it when this happens. |
| 00:38 | <&Derakon> | So they'd just do passes back and forth until the one with a worse shields/weaponry setup fell over. |
| 00:45 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm pretty happy with getting that much. It's only been a couple hours work on spacecraft and their movings about. |
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| 00:53 | <@AnnoDomini> | Speed restriction! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPahktXZlnU&feature=youtu.be |
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| 01:19 | <@AnnoDomini> | Now it sorta follows orders sequentially! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T-RVT2GEN0&feature=youtu.be |
| 01:24 | | * McMartin thinks he's got these functions all compiled, in the non-computer sense of compiled. |
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| 02:03 | <&McMartin> | Man. Hammurabi has a lot of text. |
| 02:07 | <&McMartin> | Well. I guess 1.5KB is "a lot". |
| 02:08 | <~Vornicus> | 600 more of those and you've got Crime & Punishment |
| 02:09 | <&McMartin> | Hee |
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| 04:44 | < luke> | So, I need to convert latitude/longitude pairs to the name of the country they fall in. Only catch is, every library out there seems to connect to a remote server, and I need this to work locally. Does anyone know of a (preferably Python) library, and a data set to go with it? |
| 04:46 | <~Vornicus> | I went hunting once for such a dataset. |
| 04:47 | <~Vornicus> | It was amazingly hard. |
| 04:53 | < luke> | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3643929/lookup-country-for-gps-coordinates-wi thout-internet-access This looks promising, |
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| 06:29 | <&McMartin> | Things that are hard to reimplement: the INPUT statement. |
| 06:29 | <&McMartin> | Fortunately, I don't need to let the user input fractions or negative numbers. |
| 06:30 | < luke> | INPUT? Is this for your BASIC you were talking about before? |
| 06:30 | <&McMartin> | Yeah. It turns out some of my conjecture was wrong, and I don't have an easy way to go string->floating point while bypassing the BASIC's string libraries. |
| 06:31 | <&McMartin> | (Which I don't want to deal with because that will also involve tying in its variable and garbage collection systems, which I explicitly want to keep out of this mess) |
| 06:31 | <&McMartin> | But my floating point macros are working great |
| 06:32 | <~Vornicus> | Is it just me or does it seem like BASIC is not only slow, but a lot slower than it should be? |
| 06:32 | <@macdjord> | It's BASIC~ |
| 06:32 | < luke> | If you do it right, it can be reasonably fast. |
| 06:32 | <&McMartin> | I am coming to the conclusion that the 8-bit MS Basic was written for the express purpose of being implemented in as small a space as possible. |
| 06:33 | <&McMartin> | In particular, they wanted to fit the whole thing - including the dynamic variable heap and the garbage collector &c &c - into 4K. |
| 06:33 | <&McMartin> | They didn't *quite* make it, but all the spillover is stuff like trig functions. |
| 06:33 | < luke> | I think I'll stick with my QuickBasic. |
| 06:33 | | * macdjord idly notes that McM is the only person he knows to use the '&c' contruction. |
| 06:33 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, by the time you get to QBASIC you're in the realm of Totally Fine. |
| 06:34 | <&McMartin> | QB64 is AIUI an Actually Pretty Great Code Generator. |
| 06:34 | <&McMartin> | Vornicus: Anyway, the flip side of this is lots of "unnecessary" recomputation because they didn't want to spend the RAM to cache stuff |
| 06:34 | < luke> | Funny you should mention QB64. I'm wrestling with it right now. |
| 06:34 | <&McMartin> | Nothing is ever transformed except as a temp value |
| 06:35 | <&McMartin> | luke: I will admit to never getting it working myself, just seeing the end results |
| 06:35 | <&McMartin> | And basically going "yep, looks legit" |
| 06:35 | <&McMartin> | By which I also *really* mean "replaying GORILLAS.BAS" |
| 06:38 | <&McMartin> | Anyway, I'm not writing in BASIC. I'm writing in a macro assembler, and using the BASIC ROM as some kind of demented libc. |
| 06:40 | < luke> | That is indeed twisted. |
| 07:04 | <&McMartin> | I'm up to a full kilobyte of code |
| 07:08 | <@macdjord> | ... |
| 07:09 | <@macdjord> | A /whole kilobyte/. |
| 07:10 | < luke> | https://xkcd.com/394/ But which kilobyte is it? |
| 07:16 | <&McMartin> | macdjord: With the data in, it's pushing 3! |
| 07:16 | <&McMartin> | This is kind of a big deal; the largest retroprogram I've ever written was 6. |
| 07:16 | <&McMartin> | And it was extremely wasteful with data storage. |
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| 07:29 | <&McMartin> | 1253 code, 1734 data |
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| 07:40 | <&McMartin> | (At 1,238 bytes of code and 1,627 bytes of data) |
| 07:42 | <&McMartin> | If I keep this up, this thing will be larger than the VIC-20's entire memory. |
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| 10:33 | <@froztbyte> | <McMartin> Anyway, I'm not writing in BASIC. I'm writing in a macro assembler, and using the BASIC ROM as some kind of demented libc. |
| 10:33 | <@froztbyte> | if only what you did was usable as some kind of youtube channel |
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| 14:08 | <@AnnoDomini> | C++. "if (foo && bar)" - will bar be checked if foo is false? |
| 14:09 | < luke> | I would *think* C++ does short-circuit evaluation, but best to check. |
| 14:09 | < luke> | (I know C definitely does) |
| 14:10 | < luke> | Just setup a NULL pointer x, and watch the behaviour of "if (!x && x[0])" |
| 14:16 | < [R]> | C didn't last I checked. |
| 14:18 | <@AnnoDomini> | luke: The program finishes unexpectedly. |
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| 14:28 | < luke> | AnnoDomini: Er, that would be because I made a terrible mistake. |
| 14:28 | < luke> | The idiom is (x && x[0]) |
| 14:30 | < luke> | But either way, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/628526/is-short-circuiting-boolean-operators- mandated-in-c-c-and-evaluation-order |
| 14:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | [R]: C does; if yours didn't it is either nonconformant (some terrible embedded systems compiler) or ancient (since I don't think the original K&R spec strictly required it) |
| 14:33 | < [R]> | Could also be I was doing it outside an if/loop clause. |
| 14:37 | < [R]> | IE: check() && return |
| 14:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | No, it short circuits everywhere, not just in ifs. |
| 14:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | (but I'm pretty sure "check() && return" won't compile, because return is not an expression) |
| 14:38 | <@AnnoDomini> | (Huh? Can't you "return" out of a function that has void for a return type?) |
| 14:39 | < luke> | You can, but you can't return anything. |
| 14:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | AnnoDomini: yes, but the return is not an expression, it is a statement. |
| 14:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | And && only operates on expressions. |
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| 14:44 | <@RchrdB> | ToxicFrog, arguably, K&R wasn't really a spec, it was an implementation. |
| 14:44 | < [R]> | A reference implementation? |
| 14:44 | <@RchrdB> | I think? It was the 1989 ANSI working group that made it a spec. |
| 14:45 | <@RchrdB> | K&R C was just the language that K&R's C compiler implemented and their book documented. |
| 14:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | RchrdB: by "the spec" I mean the book. |
| 14:46 | <@RchrdB> | According to the stackoverflow post, the words " |
| 14:46 | <@RchrdB> | C guarantees that &&' and ||' are evaluated left to right -- we shall soon see cases where this matters." appear in the book. |
| 14:48 | < simon_> | even if &&, || do not short-circuit, there is a semantic difference between left and right hre. |
| 14:48 | < simon_> | here* |
| 14:49 | < simon_> | I'm looking at a box of matches. the same logo as always, the same brand. but they're called "safety matches" rather than just "matches". I wonder what changed in the world for regular matches to become safe. |
| 14:51 | < [R]> | Probably stronger shafts |
| 14:51 | <@Tamber> | Not igniting if you abused them by, say, dropping the box; I think |
| 14:51 | < [R]> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match#The_safety_match |
| 14:53 | < luke> | You can still buy non-safety matches that can be struck on any surface, like a boot. |
| 14:54 | <@RchrdB> | So the answer is that a safety match won't ignite just from friction, but needs to be struck *specifically* on the sandpaper on the side of the box, which is impregnated with something that reacts with the match head to set it off. |
| 14:55 | < [R]> | It ignite from fire too usually :p |
| 14:56 | <@RchrdB> | I find safety matches such a pain in the arse to light that, if there's anything else within walking distance that is already on fire, I'll just light them off that instead. |
| 14:57 | < luke> | The last time I used a match was at least 3 years ago. |
| 14:57 | < [R]> | I use them about 5 times a year |
| 14:58 | < [R]> | For decorative candles and such |
| 14:59 | <@RchrdB> | I went and stayed in a little cottage in France for a week recently. Everything was running on bottled gas, so we had to use matches. |
| 14:59 | <@RchrdB> | I cheated at least once by using a lighter to set off a match. :) |
| 15:00 | < [R]> | Heh |
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| 15:05 | <@froztbyte> | RchrdB: are safety matches in your part of the world really terrible, or something? |
| 15:06 | <@AnnoDomini> | Safety matches are the only kind of matches in this part of the world. |
| 15:06 | <@RchrdB> | froztbyte, I'm really shitty at pyromania. |
| 15:07 | <@froztbyte> | RchrdB: ah. |
| 15:08 | < luke> | Were you that one kid in the science class who could never manage to get his bunsen burner lit? |
| 15:10 | <@RchrdB> | I was also that one kid in chemistry class who couldn't get a beaker full of hot acid to cool down from 60°C to 20°C in a room that was at roughly 15°C. |
| 15:42 | < simon_> | RchrdB, I noticed that you were on #haskell-web. do you know by any chance which haskell database library is the most popular? I've tried mysql-simple in combination with snap (using the snaplet), but Hdbc looks more 'engineered'. |
| 15:45 | < simon_> | luke, you can also buy "storm matches" that won't go out in wind and rain. |
| 16:17 | <@RchrdB> | simon_, sorry, no idea. |
| 16:17 | <@RchrdB> | simon_, I havn't done any useful HS stuff for a while now. |
| 16:26 | <@AnnoDomini> | Pathfinding is getting better! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74xo-qd_5fY&feature=youtu.be |
| 16:28 | <@Azash> | 15:52 < [R]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match#The_safety_match |
| 16:28 | | * Azash eyes that sub-header |
| 16:28 | <@Azash> | You can light a match if you want to? |
| 16:29 | < [R]> | ... we /jsut/ discussed WTF that was |
| 16:29 | <@Azash> | I know what they are |
| 16:29 | <@Azash> | I use them whenever I go for a smoke |
| 16:29 | <@Azash> | But I was wondering whether "the" was added to the sub-header as a conscious allusion |
| 16:30 | < [R]> | NFC |
| 16:38 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hmmm. I should test speeds and accelerations that are a bit closer to plausible. |
| 16:38 | <@AnnoDomini> | As it is, this lil bugger covers an astronomical unit in 10 days. |
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| 16:58 | < simon_> | I'd like to treat PHP array()s like a list, but it seems that unset() will simply set the entry to null but leave it there. |
| 17:03 | < [R]> | simon_: null is PHP's undefined. |
| 17:06 | < [R]> | http://xiennith.com/tmp.txt |
| 17:06 | < [R]> | Also read your log for notices in PHP code |
| 17:07 | < [R]> | Since you've got the WSoD configuration |
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| 17:25 | < simon_> | array_rand() did the trick for me. |
| 17:25 | < simon_> | thanks, [R]. |
| 17:26 | < [R]> | ... wut |
| 17:26 | < simon_> | well, I just wanted a random entry that existed in the array. |
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| 17:26 | < simon_> | or rather, the index for that entry, since I also wanted to remove it. |
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| 17:27 | < [R]> | So you're doing array_pop($a = array_rand($a)); // ? |
| 17:30 | < simon_> | I was wasting time on StackOverflow :P http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23592483/get-4-random-numbers/23592578#235925 78 |
| 17:30 | < Harlow> | looks like php :d |
| 17:32 | < [R]> | Hush |
| 17:32 | < simon_> | someone should invent a new programming language that starts with "<?php" just so one can answer "No!" to that :P |
| 17:33 | < [R]> | WTF was your X problem anyways? |
| 17:33 | < simon_> | X problem? |
| 17:33 | < [R]> | http://www.perlmonks.org/?node=XY+Problem |
| 17:35 | < simon_> | well, viewing it as an XYZ problem where Z is treating PHP associative arrays as lists, Y is finding random numbers given some constraints, X is really procrastination from working on Sundays. |
| 17:36 | < [R]> | I'll rephrase since you're confused: What were you trying to /do/? |
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| 17:37 | < simon_> | I thought the StackOverflow reply stated that. "[find] four random numbers within the same interval but with a minimum distance to each other" :) |
| 17:37 | < simon_> | I have no practical application for finding them. |
| 17:37 | < [R]> | Oh, that was your question, not something you used for information. |
| 17:39 | <@celticminstrel> | ...Firefox seems to randomly rearrange my toolbars sometimes. Or my status bar, at least. |
| 17:39 | <@celticminstrel> | Unless that's sync getting confused, but I thought it didn't even sync toolbars yet. |
| 17:43 | < Harlow> | [R]: This link is great, hahahahaha |
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| 17:46 | < [R]> | The XY problem one? |
| 17:47 | < Harlow> | yeah |
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| 17:57 | < simon_> | there's some good XY problems here: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 17:59 | < Harlow> | I bet you guys have seen this one, but its fun to re-visit http://www.facepalm.com/img5/essays-written-in-programming-languages-24817_f.jpg |
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| 18:02 | < simon_> | Harlow, heh. |
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| 20:05 | <@Alek> | I think the problem with local-lookup of country gps coordinates is that they do change. The recent invasion of Ukraine, for example. |
| 20:07 | < Blaze> | Asshole Rusians, trying to undermine the American GPS network. |
| 20:11 | <@Alek> | You can light a fire if you want to |
| 20:11 | <@Alek> | You can leave your firewood behind |
| 20:11 | <@Alek> | Cause your firewood don't burn, and if your firewood won't burn, then it's no firewood of mine |
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