| --- Log opened Sat Apr 19 00:00:01 2014 |
| 00:04 | | * simon is translating a compiler benchmark written by my supervisor. this is a small part of it: https://gist.github.com/sshine/e5941d73d567eaef8fab |
| 00:05 | < simon> | this comes from perfectly readable C++ code and aims to simulate imperative loops |
| 00:05 | < simon> | but *SHEESH* this is hard to read! |
| 00:07 | < simon> | this is the first time I've ever used zipWith5 in Haskell. |
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| 03:22 | <@celticminstrel> | Why is there no error when I declare something in two files (one extern) with different types. >< |
| 03:22 | <@celticminstrel> | It should be a linker error or something! |
| 03:23 | <@celticminstrel> | In this case I had it declared as T in one file and boost::optional<T> in the other. |
| 03:24 | <@celticminstrel> | Sorry, array of such. |
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| 06:57 | | * McMartin eyes this code, which is Crazy Town. |
| 07:01 | | * McMartin breaks out the timing diagrams |
| 07:01 | <&McMartin> | That's right, it's time to CYCLE COUNT |
| 07:02 | <~Vornicus> | Crazytown indeed |
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| 07:10 | <&McMartin> | Success! |
| 07:10 | <~Vornicus> | McM is mayor of crazytown! |
| 07:12 | <&McMartin> | https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/retro/crazytown.png |
| 07:12 | <&McMartin> | I have to wait thirteen cycles after the interrupt fires before I can safely change things about the screen. |
| 07:13 | <~Vornicus> | Nice. |
| 07:14 | <&McMartin> | Possibly 15 |
| 07:14 | <&McMartin> | Counting is hard~ |
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| 07:48 | <&McMartin> | Some code from my investigations: |
| 07:48 | <&McMartin> | nop |
| 07:48 | <&McMartin> | nop:nop:nop:nop:nop:nop:nop:nop:nop:nop |
| 07:48 | <&McMartin> | ;; fuckit aaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 07:49 | <&McMartin> | ( http://img.pandawhale.com/82387-badger-NOPE-fuck-it-gif-Imgur- |
| 07:50 | <&McMartin> | ( http://img.pandawhale.com/82387-badger-NOPE-fuck-it-gif-Imgur-oKpf.gif ) |
| 07:50 | <&McMartin> | There we go |
| 07:52 | <~Vornicus> | access denied! |
| 07:53 | <&McMartin> | Huh, if I paste it breaks, but http://img.pandawhale.com/82387-badger-NOPE-fuck-it-gif-Imgur-oKPf.gif works fine |
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| 10:28 | <@Tarinaky> | http://gfycat.com/FastScornfulBalloonfish << Born to be Kerbal? Kerbal to be Wild? |
| 10:30 | < simon> | heh |
| 10:35 | < froztbyte> | <McMartin> Huh, if I paste it breaks, but http://img.pandawhale.com/82387-badger-NOPE-fuck-it-gif-Imgur-oKPf.gif works fine |
| 10:35 | < froztbyte> | probably referral header stuff |
| 10:35 | < froztbyte> | some people do some weird stuff with content access |
| 10:36 | < froztbyte> | although offhand I don't recall if S3 allows that |
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| 13:58 | <@AnnoDomini> | http://www.dangermouse.net/gurps/science/temps.html <- Does anyone know how to determine planetary temperatures in systems with multiple stars? |
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| 14:07 | <@ErikMesoy> | Surely you just extend that equation to have the planet absorb radiation from two stars? |
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| 14:11 | <@Tarinaky> | Basically you have two terms of incident radiation, one for each star. |
| 14:12 | <@Tarinaky> | Noting that the distance between one of the stars will vary considerably - since it'll be orbiting the main star at considerable distance (otherwise gravity isn't stable enough for the formation of planets~) |
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| 14:12 | <@Tarinaky> | I should drop the word considerably, since this is astronomy that's a given. |
| 14:15 | <@ErikMesoy> | It might be a binary star system with two stars of very similar size orbiting one another closely and the planet being far out. |
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| 15:32 | <@Tarinaky> | ErikMesoy: iirc, for that to work, the stars would have to be /exactly/ matched for mass (not just closely). Which seems incredibly unlikely. |
| 15:35 | <@AnnoDomini> | Does internal heating affect surface temperature much? |
| 15:35 | <@ErikMesoy> | Tarinaky: I'm thinking this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Orbit2.gif |
| 15:36 | <@Tarinaky> | ErikMesoy: iirc there's /something/ in modern cosmology that says you're very unlikely to have atmosphere baring planets with that set-up. |
| 15:37 | <@Tarinaky> | I think because the further away you are from a star the less massive the objects that form are, and the less likely they are to go from planetoid to planet. |
| 15:37 | <@Tarinaky> | But I Am Not An Exoplanetary Astronomer |
| 15:38 | <@AnnoDomini> | I recall there being several planets found in multiple systems recently. |
| 15:38 | <@AnnoDomini> | All of them gas giants, of course. |
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| 15:40 | <@AnnoDomini> | There's even one that the discoverers nicknamed Tatooine, because it orbits a binary like ErikMesoy linked. |
| 15:40 | <@Tarinaky> | Plus binary stars that're close together have shorter lifespans (candle at both ends~) because the dominant star will siphon stellar matter off the other until supernova occurs. |
| 15:40 | <@Tarinaky> | Okay. |
| 15:40 | <@Tarinaky> | Ignore me. |
| 15:40 | <@AnnoDomini> | Not necessarily. It depends how close in relation to their Roche limit they are. |
| 15:41 | <@AnnoDomini> | If under, it will happen as you say. |
| 15:41 | <@AnnoDomini> | If over, then they have a much longer lifespan. |
| 15:41 | <@celticminstrel> | There are hundreds or thousands of known exoplanets. Not just several. |
| 15:42 | <@celticminstrel> | And not all of them gas giants, either. |
| 15:42 | <@celticminstrel> | Some are rocky and estimated to be about twice the size (or was it radius) of Earth. |
| 15:42 | <@Tarinaky> | Terrestrial exoplanets are new enough that popular science hasn't caught up yet :P |
| 15:43 | <@celticminstrel> | Heh. |
| 15:43 | <@celticminstrel> | Maybe. |
| 15:43 | <@celticminstrel> | Anyway, leaving. |
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| 16:16 | <@Tarinaky> | Preview of the next version of KSP! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itrfdpD3uv4 |
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| 17:34 | <@ErikMesoy> | AnnoDomini: My father has recently been cleaning house and is throwing out some books. I get to call dibs before they go into the trash, he thought you might be interested too. The books include programming manuals for C++, Lisp, Windows, and Prolog. Do you think you might want anything? |
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| 17:52 | <@AnnoDomini> | ErikMesoy: Yes. |
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| 19:30 | <@celticminstrel> | "out << streambuf" doesn't perform any formatting, right? |
| 19:31 | < DurNad> | If you didn't tell it to, it shouldn't |
| 19:31 | <@celticminstrel> | Well, generally << performs formatting. |
| 19:31 | <@celticminstrel> | It's what it's for. |
| 19:31 | <@celticminstrel> | Normally you use .write() if you don't want formatting, but I think <<streambuf might be an exception to that. |
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| 19:45 | <@celticminstrel> | What are the chances of strnlen existing on Windows? |
| 19:49 | <@celticminstrel> | Wait, I need to convert the string to integer, not find its length. Never mind. |
| 21:25 | <&McMartin> | celticminstrel: If you're using MinGW you have all the things right there; if you're using MSVC, POSIX-y stuff often has extra underscores involved and a few families of things |
| 21:25 | <&McMartin> | googling function names with "msdn" added often gives good official docs on that stuff |
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| 21:27 | <@celticminstrel> | I'll remember that. |
| 21:28 | <@celticminstrel> | This is far from being ready to compile for Windows, but I'm trying to keep it in mind as I write stuff (this is part of the reason I told clang to compile as "c++11" instead of "gnu++11"). |
| 21:28 | | * McMartin nods |
| 21:29 | <&McMartin> | MS cares a lot more about being standard in C++ than C, so if you're using MSVS2012 or later necessary changes should be minimal |
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| 21:29 | <&McMartin> | And basically at what I usually call the "man 2" layer |
| 21:29 | <@celticminstrel> | "man 2 layer"? |
| 21:29 | <&McMartin> | You know how man pages have chapters? |
| 21:29 | <@celticminstrel> | Kind of? |
| 21:29 | <&McMartin> | stuff like fopen is in chapter 3 and so it gets marked fopen(3) |
| 21:30 | <&McMartin> | stuff like creat and open and unlink is in chapter 2 |
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| 21:30 | <&McMartin> | Basically, C++ stdlib will be handled but if you ever drop down to actual POSIX system calls, Windows *probably* doesn't have them |
| 21:31 | <&McMartin> | So you'd be using CreateFileW and SetFileDisposition and such instead. |
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| 21:32 | <@Tamber> | https://github.com/TamberP/Klompen/commit/b39fed3214f624322801f736335ce1417ff89e 82 *sigh* I've only just gone and fixed something that's been an issue for about... a year or so, that I couldn't figure out. |
| 21:32 | <&McMartin> | (Windows has a simple POSIX compatibility layer for the absolute basics but it's not good for much. If you need Windows to behave like POSIX, Cygwin is the way to go) |
| 21:32 | <@Tamber> | Apparently, trying to code at OhGodWhy o'clock, on excessive amounts of caffiene, renders you fucktionally braindead; who knew! |
| 21:32 | <&McMartin> | (If you just need the C standard library, though, MinGW will be fine and produce more Windows-y binaries) |
| 21:32 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't think I need it to behave like POSIX? I'm not using POSIX stuff, anyway. |
| 21:32 | <&McMartin> | Tamber: A SHOCK! |
| 21:32 | <&McMartin> | celticminstrel: Yeah, OpenGL is well-supported |
| 21:33 | <@celticminstrel> | Or if I am using it somewhere, it'd be in the platform-dependent sections and thus be replaced for the Windows codebase. |
| 21:33 | <&McMartin> | Though raw GLX isn't available, I assume you're using a wrapper, yea |
| 21:33 | <&McMartin> | h |
| 21:33 | <@celticminstrel> | I dunno what "raw GLX" means. I'm using a wrapper library, but I'm also calling some gl* stuff. |
| 21:33 | <@celticminstrel> | I still have some CoreFoundation stuff that I need to get rid of or isolate. |
| 21:34 | <&McMartin> | Oh |
| 21:34 | <&McMartin> | AGL |
| 21:34 | <@celticminstrel> | ? |
| 21:34 | <&McMartin> | GLX/AGL/WGL' |
| 21:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Uh...? |
| 21:34 | <&McMartin> | Those are the libraries that talk to the windowing system, and are next to but not strictly part of OpenGL |
| 21:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Ah. |
| 21:35 | <&McMartin> | They're all super-platform dependent, as you'd expect |
| 21:35 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah, my only GL include is GL.h. |
| 21:35 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, you'll be fine |
| 21:36 | <@celticminstrel> | Though I did put a conditional around it since Apple puts it in a different place than every other platform. 9_9 |
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| 23:29 | <&McMartin> | Oh hey, after upgrading to Trusty, my Linux lappy now mysteriously supports OpenGL 3.3 |
| 23:30 | <&McMartin> | That means I can probably actually run that old Modern OpenGL Programming tutorial if I want to now \o/ |
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