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| 01:03 | | * Vornicus rejiggers all his graph manipulation code so it makes copies, because he doesn't really want to mess iwth the graph in situ most of the time. |
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| 04:08 | | * Vornicus plays Manufactoria, tries to remember how to do things. |
| 04:12 | <~Vornicus> | ah, there it is. |
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| 11:42 | <@Tarinaky> | Friend is disputing whether a Finite Automate + A Stack is Turing Complete. I remember it being isomorphic to a turing machine but I'm not sure where the proof is. |
| 11:42 | <@Tarinaky> | *Automata |
| 11:52 | <@Azash> | Pushdown automata are not Turing-complete IIRC |
| 11:55 | <@Tarinaky> | Doesn't the Magic the Gathering Turing machine devolve into a Stack and an FA? |
| 11:55 | <@Tarinaky> | s/devolve/decompose/ |
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| 11:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Also: what's the difference between a Pushdown Automata and a Stack Machine? |
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| 11:58 | <@Tarinaky> | (Inb4 someone criticises me for not knowing this despite being in my final year of a CS course >.<) |
| 12:02 | <@Azash> | Same thing |
| 12:03 | <@Tarinaky> | See, I thought Stack Machines /were/ Turing-Complete. |
| 12:04 | <@Azash> | https://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/669/are-turing-machines-more-powerful-tha n-pushdown-automata |
| 12:06 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm not sure what's meant here by 'more powerful'. They don't seem to discuss PA being incomplete. |
| 12:06 | <@Tarinaky> | Just less general I guess? |
| 12:09 | < Shiz> | w |
| 12:10 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh, I see. So and Stack Machines aren't complete. |
| 12:10 | <@Tarinaky> | Okay. |
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| 12:44 | <@RchrdB> | Tarinaky, yyyyo |
| 12:44 | <@Tarinaky> | RchrdB: About to go out. |
| 12:44 | <@RchrdB> | Enjoy yourself! |
| 12:44 | <@Tarinaky> | RchrdB: Why the yo-ing? |
| 12:44 | <@RchrdB> | Oh, I was going to shout some automata theory at you |
| 12:46 | <@Azash> | y*o |
| 14:50 | < Shiz> | y+o |
| 14:51 | <@Azash> | I guess the proper form would be yy*o if we're talking sipsery regexp (or does he introduce the + operator?) |
| 14:55 | < Shiz> | i only speak PCRE |
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| 15:16 | <@Azash> | The test sends the controller :format => 'pdf' |
| 15:16 | <@Azash> | The controller has params[:format] == 'xls' |
| 15:16 | <@Azash> | Why |
| 15:17 | <@Azash> | I should've listened to Ron Paul |
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| 18:21 | <@Azash> | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=036eeac5a1799fa2c0ae11a14 d8c667b5d303189 |
| 18:22 | <@ErikMesoy> | >more password rules |
| 18:22 | <@gnolam> | What. |
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| 18:27 | <@Tamber> | ... "overly long password" |
| 18:28 | <@ErikMesoy> | I'd rather beep and reject if it alternated letters and non-letters too many times. "Warning: you won't be able to remember this password." :p |
| 18:29 | <@Tamber> | Hee |
| 18:31 | <@Azash> | Just a matter of practice |
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| 20:08 | | * ErikMesoy reflects on how the brief introductory paragraph summing up contents of a larger work is called "Executive Summary" at his workplace, "Abstract" in a scientific journal, and "TL;DR" on the intertubes. |
| 20:08 | <@ErikMesoy> | Got any other cultural synonyms for this? |
| 20:11 | <@Namegduf> | "in brief" comes to mind. |
| 20:11 | <@Namegduf> | Like "News in brief" |
| 20:11 | <@Tamber> | "${X} in 30 seconds" |
| 20:12 | <@Namegduf> | Synopsis. |
| 20:12 | <@Namegduf> | But I couldn't point at the cultural groups of any of the rest. |
| 20:12 | <@Namegduf> | They seem less strongly affiliated. |
| 20:13 | <@froztbyte> | "for Dummies" |
| 20:13 | <@froztbyte> | "layman's version" |
| 20:14 | <~Vornicus> | froztbyte: think you've gone off course there |
| 20:14 | <@froztbyte> | Vornicus: you haven't seen documents written by some of the people I know |
| 20:14 | <~Vornicus> | well okay |
| 20:14 | <@froztbyte> | ;D |
| 20:14 | <@froztbyte> | I wouldn't really call it that myself |
| 20:15 | <@froztbyte> | like, those terms |
| 20:15 | <@froztbyte> | but they're terms I've seen other-people subsets use |
| 20:32 | <&McMartin> | "elevator pitch" |
| 20:32 | <@Namegduf> | Ah, for marketers. |
| 20:32 | <@Namegduf> | That's a good one. |
| 20:32 | <&McMartin> | Also for, um, content producers? |
| 20:32 | <&McMartin> | I'm not sure the class name |
| 20:32 | <@Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 20:32 | <&McMartin> | But "hey, I'm a director/scriptwriter, you should buy this thing I'm working on on spec" |
| 20:33 | <&McMartin> | That's *kind of* marketing and kind of sales, but it's associated with trying to get someone to sponsor *you* to work on stuff |
| 20:33 | <@Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 20:33 | <&McMartin> | So that it stops being on spec |
| 20:33 | <&McMartin> | (so much annoyance that on spec and to spec are antonyms and that this isn't even wrong) |
| 20:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | I'm guessing the expansions are "on speculation" and "to specification"? |
| 20:40 | <&McMartin> | Yep. |
| 20:40 | <&McMartin> | Writing on spec means you don't have an advance from anyone and will just be trying to sell the finished work when it's done |
| 20:54 | <@macdjord> | ErikMesoy: There's /supposed/ to be a distinction between a summary and an abstract: one condenses the report ('I studied X. My results were Y. I concluded Z.') and the other describes the report ('This report investigates...'). Alas, I can find no concensus on which one is which. |
| 21:08 | <&McMartin> | http://www.revsys.com/blog/2011/oct/20/pep712-proposal-make-unittest2-more-accur ate/ |
| 21:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | The first comment is...a thing. |
| 21:14 | <&McMartin> | Indeed it is. |
| 21:14 | <&McMartin> | But secondary to the proposal itself |
| 21:18 | <~Vornicus> | nice. |
| 21:31 | | * Vornicus pokes at writing tests for his graph tools library. |
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