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| --- Day changed Mon Jan 20 2014 |
| 00:00 | <@Reiv> | ... brilliant |
| 00:01 | | * Vornicus pokes at pricing resource packages in Power Grid. |
| 00:02 | <@Reiv> | what |
| 00:02 | <~Vornicus> | Reiv: played Power Grid? |
| 00:03 | <@Reiv> | Aye |
| 00:03 | <@Reiv> | You buy fuel at escalating prices, yes? |
| 00:04 | <@Reiv> | Which has a nice feature for nuclear, wherein it starts off punitively high and drops over time - until people start using it. |
| 00:04 | <~Vornicus> | Yeah. Current thoughts regard finding the price of a piece of resource based on how many are remaining. |
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| 00:24 | <&McMartin> | Man, I haven't had the brain to work on Monocle for so long. |
| 00:24 | <&McMartin> | I still don't, but I'm feeling the lack. |
| 00:26 | <@Reiv> | Vorn: It's not a mathematical progression is it |
| 00:26 | <@Reiv> | So you'll want some variety of array of prices, or a language-equivalent of a case statement. |
| 00:39 | <~Vornicus> | Well, for some of them it's mathematical |
| 00:39 | <~Vornicus> | garbage, coal, and oil follow a very strict progression of floor(n/3) + 1 |
| 00:39 | <~Vornicus> | nuclear's a little harder |
| 00:40 | <~Vornicus> | (actually the payout structure is strictly mathematical) |
| 00:48 | <~Vornicus> | Actually, looking at expansions, apparently some of them line up the pricing structure differently. |
| 00:49 | <~Vornicus> | In the most extreme case (the Korea expansion) there's actually /two/ resource markets with different pricing structures. |
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| 01:04 | <~Vornicus> | Looks like I'm just gonna have to array it |
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| 01:51 | <@Azash> | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4640315/how-to-make-openssl-use-http-instead -of-https |
| 01:55 | <@Reiv> | I was sure that was a troll when I read the topic |
| 01:55 | <~Vornicus> | |
| 01:55 | <@Reiv> | And yet, it is not. |
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| 02:48 | <@simon_> | in Java, if an object is allocated by a thread and this thread dies, does the parent lose this pointer? |
| 02:48 | <@simon_> | s/pointer/reference/ |
| 02:51 | | * Thalass idly ponders remote robot control |
| 02:51 | < Thalass> | http://www.homofaciens.de/technics-robots-R3-control_en_navion.htm <-- the website option is neat, but i was aiming for a dedicated application. |
| 02:55 | <@simon_> | heh |
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| 03:05 | <~Vornicus> | simon_: threads share memory. |
| 03:06 | <~Vornicus> | That's why you'd want to use threads instead of less recockulousness-prone, heavier weight systems |
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| 04:29 | <@Azash> | simon_: Objects remain as long as something references them |
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| 14:18 | | * TheWatcher eyes mozilla dev network |
| 14:19 | <@TheWatcher> | They have javascript in their mdn pages that spams your console with a "Join mozilla!" message |
| 14:19 | <@TheWatcher> | Uh. No. |
| 14:19 | <@TheWatcher> | Fuck off. |
| 14:26 | <&McMartin> | What the Hell happened to Mozilla |
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| 14:58 | <@simon_> | hmm |
| 14:59 | <@simon_> | paging is a property of the operating system, but mustn't there be CPU instructions to load large chunks of memory? how large are they on average on modern CPUs? and what are they called? (I don't know if pages is strictly OS terminology) |
| 14:59 | <&McMartin> | Hrm |
| 14:59 | <&McMartin> | Well, there's disk driver DMAs, but those are presumably part of the driver/bus |
| 14:59 | <&McMartin> | "Load this chunk of disk into this page of RAM" |
| 14:59 | <@simon_> | right! |
| 14:59 | <&McMartin> | And then making that page of physical RAM be a bit of somebody's virtual address space would be an instruction that does something to the TLB |
| 15:00 | <@simon_> | DMAs? |
| 15:00 | <&McMartin> | Direct Memory Access, IIRC. |
| 15:00 | <&McMartin> | The Disk driver says "right, jam the bits from location X into location Y, there's a good lad" and then doesn't mess with the CPU's lines until the "OK done now" interrupt comes in. |
| 15:01 | <@simon_> | ok, so there's a bus between main memory and disks and some way for the CPU to instruct the disk to read a chunk of some size through this bus, landing it in memory. |
| 15:02 | <@simon_> | what determines those sizes? |
| 15:02 | <&McMartin> | The system architecture. |
| 15:02 | <@simon_> | I mean, is it very fixed, or do disks generally allow for various numbers of blocks depending on what the OS prefers? |
| 15:03 | <&McMartin> | I'm pretty sure that both disk and OS have to bend to the wires in the box, but I'm not sure |
| 15:03 | <&McMartin> | I think this is a thing that, say, IDE, or SCSI, or whatever, is responsible for |
| 15:03 | <@simon_> | ok. |
| 15:03 | <@simon_> | so that's just one block size. |
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| 15:04 | <@simon_> | alright. thanks. :) |
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| 20:16 | <@gnolam> | Man. Backup hard drives have become a lot more convenient. |
| 20:17 | <@gnolam> | The tiny little 1 TB drive I bought today doesn't even need an external power supply with USB 2.0. |
| 20:19 | <@gnolam> | The almost as tiny one I got from work can also be powered entirely over USB if you want to, but is meant to act as a wireless NAS. |
| 20:19 | <@Tamber> | Technology! \o/ |
| 20:19 | <@gnolam> | (It has its own built-in battery and everything) |
| 20:21 | <@gnolam> | And they're dirt cheap, too. |
| 20:44 | < thalass> | Technology. Bah. |
| 20:44 | < thalass> | Where's my jetpack? |
| 20:45 | < thalass> | And my hoverboard! |
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| 20:45 | < AbuDhabi_> | I want stimpacks. |
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| 20:50 | < thalass> | And stargates |
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