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| 00:34 | < [R]> | http://i.imgur.com/ov2sT2U.png |
| 00:37 | <@iospace> | pfffft |
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| 00:41 | <@TheWatcher> | Hah |
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| 12:35 | | * TheWatcher eyes this |
| 12:36 | <@TheWatcher> | why the hell am I getting _ at the end of my syslog messages >.< |
| 12:37 | <&McMartin> | START_ |
| 12:38 | <@TheWatcher> | Hah, yes. |
| 12:39 | <&McMartin> | Man, I haven't thought about that in years and years and years |
| 12:40 | <&McMartin> | ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YaS7eiygXKE#t=11 ) |
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| 18:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | Argh |
| 18:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | I have four systems with no video output, only serial connections, that I want to check for workingness |
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| 18:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | I have a serial terminal! |
| 18:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | But it wants a DE25 connector, and the only cables I have are DE9 on both ends. |
| 18:11 | | * Tamber tries to imagine a DE25 connector, grimaces. |
| 18:12 | <@Tamber> | That'd be even more horrible than a VGA connector. |
| 18:18 | <&ToxicFrog> | It's the same form factor as a parallel port connector. |
| 18:18 | <&ToxicFrog> | It's not 25 pins crammed into DB9 space. |
| 18:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | The wacky bit is that (for rs232 usage) it still only has nine pins. |
| 18:19 | <@Tamber> | That'd be a DB25, then. |
| 18:19 | <@Tamber> | (The second letter signifies the size of the shell.) |
| 18:20 | <@Tamber> | ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DSubminiatures.svg :D ) |
| 18:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | Anyways, the point is I have four hedgehogs and no systems in the house that can talk to them >.< |
| 18:41 | <@Tamber> | That is awkward. |
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| 19:05 | < ErikMesoy> | http://imgur.com/gallery/zHM360J |
| 19:14 | <@gnolam> | Hah. |
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| 21:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah, I thought it probably wasn't over. After updating Linux the mouse and keyboard again stop working on the Win7 login screen. |
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| 22:17 | | * TheWatcher ughs at his brain |
| 22:18 | <@TheWatcher> | This could be a simple, fairly easy problem to solve. But oooh no, I have to design it like a Serious Project that might be Used By Others |
| 22:19 | <&McMartin> | Ambiguous Sarcasm Detected |
| 22:20 | <@TheWatcher> | Quick version: this could be done with a single database table, two scripts doing pretty dumb stuff, and for the very precise requirement it is being written for that would be enough |
| 22:21 | <@TheWatcher> | Except that I just how that it's going to need to do more, and if I don't add on this bit, it'll be hard to make it do that |
| 22:22 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, and that needs these other bits... |
| 22:22 | <@TheWatcher> | *I just know |
| 22:24 | <@TheWatcher> | I think I spend too much time doing Requirements Prognostication at work, so now I do it reflexively. |
| 22:25 | <@celticminstrel> | I think I'd guess grub is somehow the cause of my problem... |
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| 22:28 | <@celticminstrel> | At least, there was no problem until grub was introduced to the situation. |
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| 23:00 | <@celticminstrel> | Well, forcing shutdown seems to fix it, so maybe I can avoid it by always shutting down from Linux after updates, instead of restarting. |
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| 23:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: what this sounds like is that linux is configuring the input devices in some way that makes sense for it, and then the BIOS isn't properly reinitializing them on a warm reboot |
| 23:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Okay... |
| 23:04 | <@celticminstrel> | I think the Windows boot menu (F8 or something) still works, though I'm not quite sure. |
| 23:05 | <&ToxicFrog> | So, a cold boot of either OS works, a warm reboot linux->windows breaks things - does booting into windows and then doing a warm reboot into linux work? |
| 23:06 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't recall ever having issues with that. |
| 23:06 | <@celticminstrel> | But I don't exactly have a large sample size. |
| 23:11 | <@celticminstrel> | Hm, cold boot Windows is failing now. |
| 23:11 | <@celticminstrel> | So I can't test the latter case. |
| 23:11 | <@celticminstrel> | This is after doing warm reboot linux->windows to verify that it wasn't something to do with the OS update. |
| 23:12 | < Xon> | tried powering it off, and reseating plugs? |
| 23:12 | <@celticminstrel> | Like the USB plugs? |
| 23:12 | < Xon> | yeah |
| 23:13 | <@celticminstrel> | Doesn't seem like that did anything. |
| 23:13 | < Xon> | rather odd that it just stopped working, but not all USB ports are made equal is something to keep in mind. |
| 23:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | Did any BIOS settings get fiddled while you were working on this, like legacy USB support? |
| 23:14 | < Xon> | or anything related to power |
| 23:14 | <@celticminstrel> | The very first time it happened, I was able to fix it by unplugging the mouse and keyboard and replugging them in different ports, but that only worked the first time. |
| 23:15 | < Xon> | that sounds like you picked a port without enough power being supplied to it. on my desktop's last motherboard something like 1/2 the USB2 ports didn't actually push enough juice for my mouse |
| 23:16 | <@celticminstrel> | I haven't fiddled with BIOS settings. I did wonder whether disabling USB legacy might help but was worried about that preventing me from accessing bios. |
| 23:16 | < Xon> | very odd that it stopped working after working for a while. PSU/motherboard issue maybe? |
| 23:16 | <@celticminstrel> | It stopped working after I installed/booted Linux. |
| 23:17 | <@celticminstrel> | I'd hope it's not the latter since this is a new computer. |
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| 23:19 | <@celticminstrel> | It seems somehow unlikely that it could be an issue of the port not supplying enough power... wouldn't that prevent it from working anywhere, including bios or linux? |
| 23:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 23:21 | <@celticminstrel> | I've had no problems with the mouse and keyboard in the bios, the grub boot menu, or linux desktop environment. |
| 23:21 | <@celticminstrel> | I think it even works in the Windows boot menu, but not sure on that one. |
| 23:23 | <@celticminstrel> | But as soon as I get to the Windows login screen, both mouse and keyboard stop working; the mouse's optical sensor thingy turns off, too. |
| 23:24 | <@celticminstrel> | And now it's working again. |
| 23:27 | <@celticminstrel> | It seems unlikely that this is related, but shutting down from linux doesn't actually work; the computer immediately starts up again. |
| 23:30 | <@celticminstrel> | Before it started working again I had left it sitting in the bios setup screen for a few minutes. |
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| 23:56 | <&ToxicFrog> | $5 says the BIOS has a buggy ACPI implementation that linux doesn't know how to work around. |
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