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| 10:32 | <@Tarinaky> | Working Soviet dystopic immagery into this assignment is the only way I can think of to make it tolerable. |
| 10:32 | <@Tarinaky> | Glorious Waterfall Method! Praise to the Great Leader and his Five Year (project) Plan! |
| 10:58 | <@TheWatcher> | Pft |
| 10:59 | <@TheWatcher> | Please don't tell me that you're dealing with one of the adherants to the Old School of Discredited Development Models there? |
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| 11:06 | <@Tarinaky> | TheWatcher: To be honest I have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing with/in this assignment. |
| 11:06 | <@Tarinaky> | Apparently some people have been emailing as they've struggled to stay within the page limit of 2. |
| 11:07 | <@Tarinaky> | I can barely fill half a sheet... with Latex Margins no less! |
| 11:08 | <@TheWatcher> | You obviously need to work on your padding bullshit~ |
| 11:08 | <@Tarinaky> | I've never been very good at padding. |
| 11:15 | <@froztbyte> | it's kinda worrying when having cpanel on a hosting platform would be better than the people who are running it atm |
| 11:15 | <@TheWatcher> | ... ow |
| 11:18 | <@froztbyte> | yeah. |
| 11:18 | <@froztbyte> | you have no idea. |
| 11:18 | <@froztbyte> | to start, I have to use a checkpoint vpn (which is basically just ipsec in a vendor flavour, like client side vendor field verification) that's policy-configured to only work on w7 and w8 |
| 11:19 | <@froztbyte> | to be able to ssh to a shared-rhel environment |
| 11:19 | <@froztbyte> | where I'm supposed to "just drop" some python django files |
| 11:19 | <@froztbyte> | this, naturally, doesn't actually work |
| 11:19 | <@froztbyte> | because they have a site-compiled apache and python |
| 11:19 | <@froztbyte> | both of which I'm guessing actually have a couple of 0days in them |
| 11:19 | <@froztbyte> | I haven't actually checked, for fear of damaging the vendor relation |
| 11:20 | <@TheWatcher> | >.< |
| 11:22 | <@froztbyte> | there's a mcaffee or something antivirus process on there |
| 11:22 | <@froztbyte> | constantly burns 100% on one core |
| 11:22 | <@froztbyte> | so great |
| 11:22 | <@Tarinaky> | If we have a process that repeatedly scans for viruses we can't get infected, right guys? |
| 11:22 | <@Tarinaky> | Security! |
| 11:23 | <@froztbyte> | as far as I've been able to tell, it's actually misconfigured too |
| 11:23 | <@froztbyte> | it doesn't actually appear to be checking the traffic to the host |
| 11:23 | <@froztbyte> | or files on it |
| 11:28 | <@TheWatcher> | O.o |
| 11:36 | <@froztbyte> | yeah. |
| 11:36 | <@Tarinaky> | I am Mordac! Preventer of Information Services! |
| 11:42 | | * gnolam reads up. |
| 11:44 | < Reiver> | 'waterfall'. AKA 'normal project model'. |
| 11:44 | < Reiver> | AKA what actual buisness does when the so-called Agile isn't viable. |
| 11:45 | | * Reiver is not an adherent to the buzzword laden names. Even if 'agile' is indeed a sexy bit of marketing speak... |
| 11:45 | <@TheWatcher> | "waterfall" as in "doomed to hilariously unusuable, missing important features, and generally shit project model" |
| 11:45 | <@gnolam> | Much of Waterfall's accumulated hate actually comes from improper application |
| 11:45 | <@Tarinaky> | Waterfall comes from a paper that begins "Here is a model that doesn't work" |
| 11:46 | <@Tarinaky> | When implemented correctly, it is not, in fact, Waterfall. |
| 11:46 | <@TheWatcher> | My experience is that waterfall works perfectly in exactly one situation: where you already know the entire problem space in advance, every programmer involved has already written at least one similar system, and the only end users are the people who create the system. |
| 11:48 | <@Tarinaky> | I have no idea how to pad out this assignment any more :/ |
| 11:48 | <@froztbyte> | TheWatcher: basically, when you're just rehashing shit |
| 11:52 | < Syka> | i love the bit where the java updater asks me to install a toolbar |
| 11:53 | < Reiver> | thewatcher - or when you're replacing heavily used and integrated systems with a replacement which has massive grandfathered in pre-requisites, known functionality, and precisely one chance to train end users. |
| 11:54 | < Reiver> | in actual business, this type of task is worryingly common. |
| 11:54 | < Syka> | also, 3 billion devices use java |
| 11:54 | < Syka> | this has been their tagline since like 2010 |
| 11:54 | < Syka> | has java adoption levelled off? |
| 11:55 | < Reiver> | agile is 'figure it out as we go'; my reports do this a lot. waterfall is 'here is our Thing, go repave it' |
| 11:55 | < Syka> | apparently java runs on my credit card! |
| 11:59 | < Reiver> | some days you really do have only one iteration cycle visible to the end user. :-P |
| 12:07 | < RichyB> | froztbyte, yes, but sometimes you do have a genuine need to rehash shit. :) |
| 12:07 | <@froztbyte> | RichyB: true, true |
| 12:07 | <@froztbyte> | RichyB: not as often as corporates imagine one needs to, I guess, but nonetheless |
| 12:08 | < RichyB> | I have the impression that corporates are allergic to "let's rewrite everything from scratch for the Hell of it" but all the my personal "experience" on that comes from working under a boss of a small company who reads http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html every night before going to bed. |
| 12:12 | <@froztbyte> | I should read that sometime |
| 12:12 | | * froztbyte leaves the tab open |
| 12:12 | <@Tarinaky> | Ah! I've managed to make my assignment fit the requirements for 2 pages! |
| 12:12 | <@Tarinaky> | I've increased the font size~ |
| 12:13 | | * Tarinaky ducks. |
| 12:14 | <@TheWatcher> | snerk |
| 12:49 | < RichyB> | 72pt or 144pt? |
| 12:52 | <@Tarinaky> | 12pt. |
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| 13:30 | <@Tarinaky> | http://thecodelesscode.com/case/116 |
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| 13:59 | | * TheWatcher eyes his fingers |
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| 13:59 | <@TheWatcher> | For a moment there they decided to go all l337 on me, I somehow typed 'c0d3' twice.. |
| 13:59 | <@TheWatcher> | At least the keys are next to each other >.< |
| 14:01 | < thalass> | heh |
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| 15:34 | <@simon`> | can anyone here recommend an easy way to perform portknocking on windows? |
| 15:37 | < AnnoDomini> | Pebbles. |
| 15:40 | < RichyB> | simon`, configure a firewall for it or perform it? |
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| 17:34 | <@iospace> | lovely |
| 17:34 | <@Tamber> | Not even *creative* assholes. |
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| 17:35 | <@froztbyte> | Tamber's being hopeful |
| 17:35 | <@Tamber> | I know, right? |
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| 17:41 | <@ErikMesoy> | Righto |
| 17:46 | <@simon`> | RichyB, sorry for the delay. I meant: to perform a portknock. |
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| 18:20 | <@Tarinaky> | Congrats, today you're important enough to even try annoying. |
| 18:20 | <@iospace> | oh? |
| 18:20 | | * Tarinaky points at the skiddie spam above. |
| 18:20 | <@iospace> | heh yeah |
| 18:20 | <@froztbyte> | simon`: I found a thing once, lemme try re-find it |
| 18:21 | <@Tarinaky> | Maybe he's in the same class as that 12 year old Canadian member of Anonymous that's in the news today. |
| 18:21 | <@iospace> | heh |
| 18:22 | <@Tamber> | *snrk* |
| 18:23 | <@simon`> | froztbyte, ok :) |
| 18:23 | <@iospace> | Tarinaky: who now what? :V |
| 18:28 | <@Tarinaky> | Okay, saying it's in the news is a little generous. |
| 18:28 | <@iospace> | heh |
| 18:30 | <@Tarinaky> | It was a small article published in a Canadian tabloid and given the air of publicity elsewhere on the internet before making its way, eventually, to my Facebook feed. |
| 18:33 | <@froztbyte> | simon`: blah, can't find the name now |
| 18:33 | <@froztbyte> | http://www.portknocking.org/view/implementations might serve though |
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| 19:29 | <@Azash> | http://i.imgur.com/xvNRKIT.png |
| 19:34 | < ScootPhone> | Quote from work: they really like the dark meat! |
| 19:44 | <@iospace> | meaaaaaaaaaat |
| 19:48 | < ScootPhone> | Anyone here have thoughts on accounting software? |
| 19:50 | <&McMartin> | I assume this is something more specialized than, like, Excel |
| 19:51 | < ScootPhone> | Yes. My company currently uses quickbooks online. We're pondering other solutions. |
| 19:52 | <&McMartin> | I'm afraid I can't help you. It's possible others might. |
| 19:52 | <&McMartin> | That sounds vaguely familiar though; it might be what my company uses too. |
| 19:56 | < ScootPhone> | QB online is entirely cloud based, but there's some functionality we feel it is missing. I'm supposed to figure out pros and cons. |
| 19:57 | <&McMartin> | Something to keep an eye out for is that a lot of these SaaS guys even when they aren't cloud-based put in something like Ubisoft's old DRM |
| 19:58 | <&McMartin> | Where even though the data's on your server you can't access it without phoning in to their servers |
| 20:00 | <@RichyB> | er |
| 20:00 | <@RichyB> | "SaaS" "on your server" |
| 20:00 | <@RichyB> | wat |
| 20:01 | <@RichyB> | Half the point of selling SaaS to people is that you just run your own machines, you don't have to waste your life supporting other peoples' fucked up ubuntu/slackware/maybe some fool tried running it under Cygwin/whatever installs. |
| 20:02 | <@Namegduf> | The other half is to charge a subscription fee instead of a one-off payment. |
| 20:02 | <@Namegduf> | Which which a quite lucrative half. |
| 20:03 | <@Namegduf> | *Which is |
| 20:04 | <&ToxicFrog> | RichyB: "SaaS on your server" is "client IT deploys it on a server, everyone at the site accesses it through the browser" |
| 20:05 | <&ToxicFrog> | So you aren't dependent on the provider (or the site internet connection) for it to work, and if the company goes under you can presumably get the data off the server, but you also don't need to install software on all the client machines. |
| 20:05 | <@RichyB> | I really strongly disagree with the claim that that counts as SaaS unless you are supplying the box(es) that it comes on as a turnkey "rack it, supply ethernet+power+cold air and we do everything from there". |
| 20:05 | <&ToxicFrog> | Of course, this is only a win if they don't implement what McM is talking about. |
| 20:05 | <&ToxicFrog> | RichyB: from the point of view of everyone at the company except IT, it is entirely SaaS. |
| 20:06 | <@RichyB> | I think that that's rather better dealt with using contract terms that cause sensible things to happen to data upon unfortunate events such as the company unwinding. |
| 20:10 | < ScootPhone> | What kind of sensible options are there? |
| 20:11 | < ScootPhone> | I mean, the whole concept mind of bugs me: if we were to go with QB on our own server, they still charge a monthly/yearly fee |
| 20:12 | < ScootPhone> | Their software doesn't change that much, why can't I just buy it? |
| 20:13 | <@RichyB> | because the selfish fuckers want to be able to pay their rent and buy food every year, not just the years on which they release a new version |
| 20:14 | <@RichyB> | Can't really blame 'em for that. |
| 20:15 | <@RichyB> | See also: finally getting rid of the economic incentive forcing software houses to stay on the ridiculous treadmill of increasingly user-hostile new versions to justify re-selling the same widget annually. |
| 20:15 | <@Tarinaky> | Isn't selling support the middle path between those two extremes? |
| 20:16 | <@Tarinaky> | We sell you the binary blob you can deploy, and you can rent one of our engineers to march about your office as a whipping boy. |
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| 20:31 | <@RichyB> | Tarinaky, yes. |
| 20:47 | <&McMartin> | That's not always enough |
| 20:47 | | * McMartin <-- engineer for a medium-sized startup that sells to megacorps |
| 20:48 | <&McMartin> | You don't want me on site. You don't even want me *on calls*. I'll be too honest and too unaware of business realities. |
| 20:48 | <&McMartin> | As a result, you'll get results faster than you can actually overcome your own bureaucratic inertia to absorb them. |
| 20:48 | <@froztbyte> | get the work done |
| 20:48 | <@froztbyte> | point fingers later |
| 20:49 | <&McMartin> | There's a refreshing amount of "don't point fingers at all" I've found |
| 20:49 | <&McMartin> | With occasional hilarity, and I'm not sure how much of it is my own naivete. |
| 20:49 | <@froztbyte> | depends where you are, I guess |
| 20:49 | <&McMartin> | My idea of what counts as "critical" is certainly different from theirs, in both directions. |
| 20:49 | <@froztbyte> | did you readsup earlier to my little tale of where cpanel could have been a better thing? |
| 20:49 | <&McMartin> | This is what field engineers are for~ |
| 20:50 | <@froztbyte> | if not |
| 20:50 | <@froztbyte> | go enjoy my pain |
| 20:50 | <&McMartin> | (My favorite instance of this was where "installing your software bluescreens on every boot" was reported as an "anomaly" of mild interest) |
| 20:50 | <@froztbyte> | I share it willingly |
| 20:50 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: haha |
| 20:51 | <@RichyB> | â¦if that's considered an "anomaly", what's the other side's idea of a "critical" issue? |
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| 20:53 | <&McMartin> | RichyB: Boot times are 40% slower than we think they should be! |
| 20:53 | <&McMartin> | And a number of things where I agree they are critical issues, but those are less fun~ |
| 20:54 | <&McMartin> | (frex, Our software works alongside VMware stuff, and a major regression appeared in VMplayer 5 and is still unfixed. We've been scrambling for workarounds and half the time it's turning up fuckups in their own IT setup) |
| 20:54 | <&McMartin> | (including runaway virus scanners, so, um, protip: see if that 100% core scanner is repeatedly scanning its own log files, which change as it does, thus prompting a new scan) |
| 20:54 | <&McMartin> | (Because AIUI we ran into that one last week~) |
| 20:55 | <&McMartin> | (Wasn't McAfee, though) |
| 20:56 | <&McMartin> | RichyB: As for the "anomaly" apparently the thinking was "this is only happening on this one kind of machine, so we can just have Mordac forbid it and the problem goes away" |
| 20:56 | <&McMartin> | As opposed to my lens which was "oh, if these four conditions hold that NULL wasn't checked after all" |
| 21:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | "We have a problem. Instead of working, it crashes." |
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| 22:36 | < Harlow> | If an enumeration goes "unhanded" in a switch statement, what can be the possible consequences? |
| 22:38 | <&McMartin> | Varies by language |
| 22:38 | <&McMartin> | It's always best form to have a "default: " clause. |
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| 23:37 | <&McMartin> | Ugh. |
| 23:37 | <&McMartin> | I'm looking over some of my older published assembler code and want to rewrite it. |
| 23:40 | <@froztbyte> | I see 3 mistakes |
| 23:41 | <@froztbyte> | no, wait |
| 23:41 | <@froztbyte> | 4 |
| 23:42 | <@froztbyte> | (publishing, asm, nostalgia, desire to change it) |
| 23:44 | <@RichyB> | 5 |
| 23:44 | <@RichyB> | , desire) |
| 23:44 | <&McMartin> | Not a Buddhist |
| 23:44 | <@RichyB> | Free yourself from it and enlightenment will be much closer to within your grasp. ;) |
| 23:44 | <@RichyB> | Heehee. |
| 23:45 | <@froztbyte> | RichyB: haha |
| 23:45 | <&McMartin> | While it is true that Simply Not Giving A Shit makes you a lot less worried about stuff, it does not result in appropriate published code. |
| 23:45 | <&McMartin> | ("published" here means "on my web page") |
| 23:47 | <@froztbyte> | I did include that as one of the mistakes~ |
| 23:49 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 23:49 | <&McMartin> | Archives, man |
| 23:49 | <&McMartin> | Though I'm starting to wonder if it actually makes sense to first teach assembler on something without an MMU |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | This is vaguely relevant because I'm running out of things my current Monocle demo program can do |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | Which means I'll need to write something gamelike soon |
| 23:54 | <@froztbyte> | tron~! |
| 23:54 | <@froztbyte> | actually I still don't quite actually know what monocle does |
| 23:54 | <@froztbyte> | so that might not be a fitting suggestion |
| 23:54 | <&McMartin> | I kinda want it to be single-player |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | But I am digging around that era of arcade-y games and old type-in BASIC stuff |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | I may do a Deflector variant with pixels |
| 23:55 | <@froztbyte> | what about the Worm game? |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | Played the shit out of my port of Deflector to the TI-85 back in chemistry class |
| 23:55 | <@froztbyte> | I forget its actual name |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | "Worm" or "Snake" |
| 23:55 | <@froztbyte> | yeah, that thing |
| 23:55 | <@froztbyte> | that might be another thing to poke at |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | I want something that's more pixel-addressed-sprite based. |
| 23:56 | <&McMartin> | Snake is kind fundamentally tiled |
| 23:56 | <@froztbyte> | doesn't have to be |
| 23:56 | <&McMartin> | And GORILLAS.BAS is too sophisticated and fiddly |
| 23:56 | <@froztbyte> | throw tradition to the windy wolves |
| 23:56 | <&McMartin> | Well, modify it enough and it stops being that game |
| 23:56 | <@froztbyte> | and make it so that people can turn WHEREVER THEY WANT |
| 23:56 | <@froztbyte> | and do diagonals |
| 23:57 | <&McMartin> | That moves into a game about Bezier curves, which is not Monocle~ |
| 23:57 | | * froztbyte would play that for at least 15min |
| 23:57 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: haha |
| 23:57 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: mmmmm |
| 23:57 | <&McMartin> | Monocle is a reimplementation of the basics of the Iji/Gunpoint/Hotline Miami engine. |
| 23:57 | <@froztbyte> | lemme try find this quickly |
| 23:57 | <&McMartin> | Basically a resource manager, audio handler, and extremely basic forward kinematics and collision detection |
| 23:57 | <@froztbyte> | http://dosgamer.com/urthworm/ --- screenshot not applicable |
| 23:58 | <@froztbyte> | would that be fitting? |
| 23:58 | <&McMartin> | The screenshot would honestly be more fitting |
| 23:58 | <@froztbyte> | ah |
| 23:59 | <&McMartin> | I want shooty bits for this, the part that needs adding is the forward kinematics and collision detection |
| 23:59 | <@froztbyte> | ah I see |
| 23:59 | <@froztbyte> | duck hunt? ;p |
| 23:59 | <&McMartin> | Air-Sea Battle, more like |
| 23:59 | <@froztbyte> | good |
| 23:59 | <&McMartin> | But Deflector was actually fun~ |
| 23:59 | <@froztbyte> | because I was about to run out of knowledge of classics |
| --- Log closed Tue Oct 29 00:00:00 2013 |