| --- Log opened Wed Sep 18 00:00:37 2013 |
| 00:15 | | Thalasleep is now known as Thalass |
| 00:19 | | Vornicus [vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Leaving] |
| 00:31 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 00:35 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-36db723c.ffp.csiro.au] has joined #code |
| 00:36 | | mode/#code [+o himi] by ChanServ |
| 00:37 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-36db723c.ffp.csiro.au] has quit [Client closed the connection] |
| 00:42 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-36db723c.ffp.csiro.au] has joined #code |
| 00:42 | | mode/#code [+o himi] by ChanServ |
| 00:44 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:48 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 01:27 | | Thalass [thalass@Nightstar-4ab061cc.bigpond.net.au] has quit [[NS] Quit: augh netbook. ] |
| 02:20 | | VirusJTG_ [VirusJTG@BAD19E.09A45B.582A63.5AE998] has joined #code |
| 02:22 | | VirusJTG [VirusJTG@Nightstar-09c31e7a.sta.comporium.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 02:45 | | Vorntastic [Vorn@Nightstar-1c75e7aa.sub-70-211-14.myvzw.com] has joined #code |
| 03:27 | | VirusJTG_ [VirusJTG@BAD19E.09A45B.582A63.5AE998] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 03:35 | | NeoGeo64 [trizzo@Nightstar-a940610b.client.mchsi.com] has joined #code |
| 03:56 | | NeoGeo64 [trizzo@Nightstar-a940610b.client.mchsi.com] has left #code [] |
| 03:57 | | Vornicus [vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 03:57 | | mode/#code [+qo Vornicus Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 04:05 | | Vorntastic [Vorn@Nightstar-1c75e7aa.sub-70-211-14.myvzw.com] has quit [[NS] Quit: Bye] |
| 04:05 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 05:04 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 05:10 | | Reiv [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-95746c1f.kinect.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 05:49 | | ErikMesoy|sleep is now known as ErikMesoy |
| 06:09 | | thalass [thalass@Nightstar-4ab061cc.bigpond.net.au] has joined #code |
| 06:12 | | Reiv [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-95746c1f.kinect.net.nz] has joined #code |
| 06:12 | | mode/#code [+o Reiv] by ChanServ |
| 06:18 | | RichyB [RichyB@D553D1.68E9F7.02BB7C.3AF784] has quit [[NS] Quit: Gone.] |
| 06:21 | | RichyB [RichyB@D553D1.68E9F7.02BB7C.3AF784] has joined #code |
| 06:28 | | Reiv [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-95746c1f.kinect.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 06:30 | | Turaiel is now known as Turaiel[Offline] |
| 06:56 | | Reiv [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-95746c1f.kinect.net.nz] has joined #code |
| 06:56 | | mode/#code [+o Reiv] by ChanServ |
| 07:41 | | celticminstrel is now known as celticsleep |
| 08:25 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-36db723c.ffp.csiro.au] has quit [Operation timed out] |
| 08:41 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody|afk |
| 09:10 | <@froztbyte> | http://www.technologyreview.com/view/510231/worlds-first-digital-laser-designed- and-built-in-africa/ relevant to someone here |
| 09:10 | <@froztbyte> | I don't recall who |
| 09:12 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 09:15 | | Derakon[AFK] [Derakon@Nightstar-a3b183ae.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 09:35 | | AverageJoe [evil1@Nightstar-4b668a07.ph.cox.net] has joined #code |
| 09:47 | | Derakon [Derakon@Nightstar-a3b183ae.ca.comcast.net] has joined #code |
| 09:47 | | mode/#code [+ao Derakon Derakon] by ChanServ |
| 09:52 | | ToxicFrog [ToxicFrog@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Operation timed out] |
| 10:08 | | thalass is now known as Thalass |
| 10:08 | | Thalass is now known as Thalass|fud |
| 10:22 | | himi [fow035@Nightstar-5d05bada.internode.on.net] has joined #code |
| 10:22 | | mode/#code [+o himi] by ChanServ |
| 10:42 | | ToxicFrog [ToxicFrog@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 10:42 | | mode/#code [+ao ToxicFrog ToxicFrog] by ChanServ |
| 10:56 | | ToxicFrog_ [ToxicFrog@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 10:57 | | ToxicFrog [ToxicFrog@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has quit [Operation timed out] |
| 11:37 | | VirusJTG [VirusJTG@Nightstar-09c31e7a.sta.comporium.net] has joined #code |
| 11:55 | | AverageJoe [evil1@Nightstar-4b668a07.ph.cox.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Leaving] |
| 12:13 | | * TheWatcher eughs, may have coded himself into a corner |
| 12:17 | | * AnnoDomini remembers that one time he wrote a project which had circular dependencies. |
| 12:52 | | Thalass|fud is now known as Thalas |
| 12:52 | | Thalas is now known as Thalass |
| 12:54 | | Thalass is now known as Thalass|KSP |
| 14:53 | | Turaiel[Offline] is now known as Turaiel |
| 14:53 | | Vornicus [vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Leaving] |
| 15:43 | | Turaiel is now known as Turaiel[Offline] |
| 15:59 | | celticsleep [celticminst@Nightstar-5d0169f9.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [[NS] Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] |
| 17:15 | | Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Xires, Attilla, @Namegduf, simon_ |
| 17:20 | | Netsplit over, joins: Namegduf |
| 17:20 | | mode/#code [+o Namegduf] by ChanServ |
| 17:21 | | simon_ [simon@Nightstar-0f014e55.pronoia.dk] has joined #code |
| 17:22 | | Xires [xires@Nightstar-c54fd8cd.feedthetrolls.net] has joined #code |
| 17:39 | | [R] is now known as Shoat |
| 18:01 | | Reiv [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-95746c1f.kinect.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 18:37 | | Derakon_ [chriswei@Nightstar-a3b183ae.ca.comcast.net] has joined #code |
| 18:37 | | * Derakon_ glares at Microsoft. |
| 18:37 | < Shoat> | The endless depths of pure evil glare back. |
| 18:37 | < Derakon_> | Go to download Visual Studio 2012 Express. Their website has one of those "click on selection and it auto-expands to show what's "under" the selection" things, except that the damn thing then contracts a second later. |
| 18:38 | < Derakon_> | So I mash the expand button, causing it to expand-contract-expand-contract over and over again, and time my click to get the download. |
| 18:38 | < Derakon_> | The download is an ISO. Windows can't mount ISOs without extra software. |
| 18:38 | < Shoat> | Oh! I've spotted your problem. |
| 18:38 | < Shoat> | You're assuming they understand this newfangled "world wide web" thing. |
| 18:38 | < Derakon_> | Go download Virtual CD-ROM from their website (no bullshit auto-expander this time). It doesn't work. |
| 18:39 | < Derakon_> | Like, straight-up just fails to mount. |
| 18:39 | < Shoat> | (Seriously though, their download website has always been their most hate-filled UI) |
| 18:39 | < Derakon_> | I still don't understand why Windows doesn't have a built-in image mounter, and there is no excuse for having one that doesn't fucking work. |
| 18:39 | | Kindamoody|afk is now known as Kindamoody |
| 18:40 | < Derakon_> | ...oh, it's XP-only. Fantastic. |
| 18:40 | < Shoat> | I thought Vista+ included that already? |
| 18:41 | < Derakon_> | This is a Win7 box and it has no clue what to do with a .iso. |
| 18:41 | < Derakon_> | Wait, correction: it knows what to do! You want to burn this to a CD, right? |
| 18:42 | <@Tamber> | A CD? How quaint. |
| 18:42 | <@Tamber> | ;) |
| 18:42 | < Derakon_> | Well, I assume it would also accept a DVD. |
| 18:42 | < RichyB> | I think I probably still have around fifty or so writable CDs left lying around |
| 18:42 | < Syka> | Derakon_: extract the iso using 7z |
| 18:43 | < Derakon_> | (I note I'm doing all of this through Remote Desktop since the computer in question is headless, and Remote Desktop has its own boneheaded issues) |
| 18:46 | < Derakon_> | I'm a bit averse to 7zip because I wouldn't be at all surprised if the VS2012 installer throws a hissy fit if it's not in an "actual" disk mount. |
| 18:46 | < Syka> | no, it's fine |
| 18:46 | < Derakon_> | Any thoughts on Virtual Clone Drive? |
| 18:46 | < Syka> | at least with 2010 it was |
| 18:46 | < Syka> | i installed it off a shared drive |
| 18:50 | < Derakon_> | Okay, yeah, that seems to be working. |
| 18:52 | < Derakon_> | Thanks. |
| 18:58 | < Syka> | np |
| 19:15 | | ToxicFrog_ is now known as ToxicFrog |
| 19:21 | <@Tarinaky> | Just download daemon toos lite and be done with it. |
| 19:21 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh,, headless, that probably means other issues. Okay. |
| 19:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Install a Linux partition, mount the CDRom under that, mount your Windows partition under a VM. Mount the CDRom's FS point to the VM? |
| 19:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Hit me repeatedly for suggesting something so silly? |
| 19:23 | < ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: it's already sorted: unpack the iso, install from contents. |
| 19:25 | <@Tarinaky> | If only Windows had some sort of... compressed archive format they could use for the distribution of blobs. If such a thing were conceived of for backup purposes I could imagine it being called some sort of tape archive. |
| 19:26 | <@Tarinaky> | Then you could append the type of compression as a second file extension. |
| 19:26 | <@Tarinaky> | Then you could bemoan how difficult it is to remember the 12 different unpack utilities and their equally arcane invocations. |
| 19:26 | | * Tamber tars and feathers Tarinaky. ... -o tarinaky.tar.fthr |
| 19:27 | | Attilla [uid13723@Nightstar-1325dff0.irccloud.com] has joined #code |
| 20:04 | < ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: tar is not a compressed format, actually. |
| 20:04 | < ToxicFrog> | .tar.gz is an uncompressed tarchive which has subsequently been compressed. |
| 20:05 | <@Tarinaky> | Which counts as a format tbh. |
| 20:05 | < ToxicFrog> | This has some implications, actually. |
| 20:05 | < ToxicFrog> | For example, compression is always whole-archive, meaning you need to decompress the entire thing to get at anything in it, but the compressor can use data spanning multiple files. |
| 20:06 | < ToxicFrog> | (rar has this as an option; "solid archive". I don't think zip does.) |
| 20:06 | < ToxicFrog> | Conversely, .gz.tar is what you get when you compress the contents individually, then tar them. (AFAIK no-one ever actually does this) |
| 20:06 | <@Tarinaky> | This doesn't mean .tar.gz / .tar.z / etc... isn't a format. |
| 20:06 | <@Tarinaky> | *aren't formats |
| 20:07 | < ToxicFrog> | It's a common combination of two formats. |
| 20:07 | < ToxicFrog> | And calling tar a "compressed archive format" is just wrong. |
| 20:07 | <@Tarinaky> | I didn't. I called a .tar.foo a compressed archive format. |
| 20:08 | <@Tarinaky> | I called it a tape archive, which was maybe slightly wrong but not as wrong. |
| 20:10 | <@Tarinaky> | TL;DR I know all of this stuff already, I just don't care. |
| 20:14 | | * TheWatcher tries to wrap his head around OAuth 2, ughs |
| 20:14 | < ToxicFrog> | I'm so sorry |
| 20:15 | <@TheWatcher> | Better yet, I need to talk to the google apis from perl |
| 20:16 | <@TheWatcher> | Google have no client library for it. The modules in CPAN are either written for v2 rather than v3, have bizarre dependencies, utterly undocumented, or plain buggy and broken |
| 20:33 | | Turaiel[Offline] is now known as Turaiel |
| 20:36 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody[zZz] |
| 21:22 | | celticminstrel [celticminst@Nightstar-5d0169f9.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #code |
| 21:22 | | mode/#code [+o celticminstrel] by ChanServ |
| 21:24 | | celticminstrel [celticminst@Nightstar-5d0169f9.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [[NS] Quit: KABOOM! It seems that I have exploded. Please wait while I reinstall the universe.] |
| 21:24 | | celticminstrel [celticminst@Nightstar-5d0169f9.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #code |
| 21:24 | | mode/#code [+o celticminstrel] by ChanServ |
| 22:26 | < Shoat> | <ToxicFrog> Conversely, .gz.tar is what you get when you compress the contents individually, then tar them. (AFAIK no-one ever actually does this) <-- I did once |
| 22:26 | < Shoat> | I did /ONCE/. |
| 22:27 | < Derakon_> | Heh. |
| 22:28 | <@Namegduf> | That's a weird naming scheme. |
| 22:28 | <@Namegduf> | I'd have expected just .tar. |
| 22:28 | <@Namegduf> | You don't go whatever.txt.tar for a tarball which happens to contain text files, I don't see why you'd do whatever.gz.tar. |
| 22:29 | | Shoat is now known as [R] |
| 22:42 | | ErikMesoy is now known as ErikMesoy|sleep |
| 23:16 | | Reiv [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-95746c1f.kinect.net.nz] has joined #code |
| 23:16 | | mode/#code [+o Reiv] by ChanServ |
| 23:17 | | Turaiel is now known as Turaiel[Offline] |
| 23:42 | | Vornicus [vorn@ServerAdministrator.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 23:42 | | mode/#code [+qo Vornicus Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 23:46 | | RichyB [RichyB@D553D1.68E9F7.02BB7C.3AF784] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 23:47 | | RichyB [RichyB@D553D1.68E9F7.02BB7C.3AF784] has joined #code |
| 23:50 | | Derakon_ [chriswei@Nightstar-a3b183ae.ca.comcast.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: leaving] |
| --- Log closed Thu Sep 19 00:00:25 2013 |