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| 04:33 | < Xon> | hmm C# async/await are interesting keywords. but holy hell do they play poorly with threadlocal storage |
| 04:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | Because it spawns a separate thread to handle it? |
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| 04:42 | < Xon> | ToxicFrog, because the Task object can run on a thread form the threadpool or all the Tasks run on a single thread depending on the configuration of the caller |
| 04:43 | < Xon> | and what is logically a single piece of code is actually sliced up into a new class + pile of callbacks by the compiler when you use the async/await keywords |
| 04:43 | < Xon> | so from a sourcecode view, your function may or may not change thread when it hits an await |
| 04:44 | <&ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 04:44 | < Xon> | so if you are touching something which intializing thread local storage, it can shit over multipule thread's threadlocal storage for a single function |
| 04:45 | < Xon> | like I said, plays rather poorly together =p |
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| 12:52 | <@gnolam> | This is pretty impressive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bX0qpsLfpE |
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| 13:58 | <@froztbyte> | heh, quite |
| 13:59 | <@froztbyte> | gnolam: without doing any reading yet, seems like an IR-based system? |
| 13:59 | <@froztbyte> | kinect at much closer range, basically |
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| 18:49 | < Attilla> | does #code deal with hardware as well as software |
| 18:50 | < Attilla> | and no i don't mean those programmable chip things that i cannot remember the name of :V |
| 18:53 | < Syka> | fpgas |
| 18:54 | < Attilla> | is that the name of those chip things or what |
| 19:01 | < Syka> | yes |
| 19:01 | < Syka> | field programmable gate arrays |
| 19:02 | < Attilla> | oh right, well that's good to know, my question still stands however, could i for instance discuss GPUs |
| 19:05 | < Syka> | I suppose :D |
| 19:07 | < Attilla> | okay well my current one is dying or so and i intend to get a new one but i am currently fretting over power connectors, like will they matter that much in the end? i mean afaik the connectors are part of the PSU and can't be removed or changed but you can get adapters and so on but will the card come with adapters? i mean my current is connected by 2x6 pin |
| 19:07 | < Attilla> | connectors and the cards i am looking at have various different connectors that come with them that I assume match the ports they have (do you call them ports?) |
| 19:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | You generally call them power connections/connectors. |
| 19:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | Most cards will come with molex4 -> whatever they actually use adapters. |
| 19:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | You can also just read the card specs and then open up your computer and see what connectors the PSU has. |
| 19:09 | <&ToxicFrog> | 1x6 or 2x6 are the most common these days, I think, so if your current card is 2x6 you're probably ok. |
| 19:10 | < Attilla> | well i mean i've seen different makes (and models) of the same card (GTX 760) that have different ones, one had 1x8, one had 2x6, one had 1x6+1x8, that sort of thing |
| 19:10 | < Attilla> | Also would anyone recommend a specific model of GTX 760 to me. |
| 19:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | I don't follow nV card specs, sorry. |
| 19:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | Tom's Hardware "Best Video Cards for the Money" is generally a great resource, but may end up recommending something completely different, so if it's specifically a model of GTX760 you're looking for... |
| 19:14 | < Attilla> | well the GTX760 gets "Best PCIe Card for ~$250" which is precisely the price i'm willing to spend so |
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| 19:19 | < Attilla> | so (i couldn't tell there's so many connectors :I) does a PSU just have a bunch of molex connectors coming out of it or do they have specialised ones or what? |
| 19:21 | < Attilla> | I mean maybe my current GPU already uses an adapter but that's what I get for not building this box. |
| 19:21 | < Attilla> | Not knowing these types of things. |
| 19:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | You can always open up and look. |
| 19:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | But in general, specialized ones. |
| 19:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | A typical modern PSU will have motherboard/CPU connectors, maybe a floppy connector, almost certainly a GPU connector (or several in different sizes), and then a mix of SATA and molex connectors. |
| 19:23 | < Attilla> | Well yeah it's just I loathe to power down and open it up repeatedly, I'm afraid each time I'll break it. |
| 19:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | You can open it while it's running, just don't unplug things or poke conductive things into it |
| 19:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | But, ok, for a representative example, a modern Thermaltake 550W PSU - |
| 19:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | One 24-pin motherboard connector + 2x4 pin CPU power connectors |
| 19:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | 4 PCIe connectors, each one 6 pin with a 2-pin addon to make it 8-pin |
| 19:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | 6 SATA connectors, 1 floppy connector, and 4 molex connectors. |
| 19:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | All that said |
| 19:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | If what you have is a prefab - like a Dell or something - it may be using a company PSU with exactly as many connectors as it needs and nothing else. So check if you have extra connectors, and if not, make sure you get a model that exactly matches the connectors your existing GPU uses. |
| 19:28 | < Attilla> | I'll make sure to check. |
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| 20:02 | < Attilla> | I think my PSU might be a Corsair 450W VS SERIES VS-450 PSU |
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| 20:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | In that case this looks like it has the specs: http://www.corsair.com/us/power-supply-units/vs-series-power-supply-units/vs-ser iestm-vs450-450-watt-power-supply.html |
| 20:26 | < Attilla> | what does it mean by PCI-E connector I mean I assume the voltage is good enough for whatever a PCI-E card requires |
| 20:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | It means it's one of the 6 or 8 pin connectors which is standard for PCIe cards that can't draw all their power from the bus |
| 20:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | Mostly graphics cards |
| 20:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | Those two 6-pin connectors your current card uses are ATX standard PCIe power connectors |
| 20:52 | < Attilla> | I remember hearing about some trouble with adapters between numbers of pins or something? |
| 20:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | Can you be more specific? |
| 20:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | I mean, there's 6 and 8 pin PCIe connectors, and they aren't interchangeable, although a lot of PSUs will have 6+2 connectors that can do either. |
| 20:53 | < Attilla> | well it might be 6+2, where would the +2 be found, along the length of one of the 6 pins connectors? |
| 20:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | And the motherboard is going to be either 20, 20+4, 24, or 24+4 depending on era. |
| 20:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah - basically, a few cm before the actual connector, the cable will split into a 6-pin and a 2-pin connector |
| 20:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | Usually one of them will have a little clip that lets you connect the two together, making a single 8-pin connector |
| 20:55 | < Attilla> | but anyway what I mean is I hear that 6 pins are not interchangeable with 8 pins due to different power and consequently there might be issues even if i have an adapter |
| 20:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | I'm not talking about adapters |
| 20:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | The 6-pin pinout is a subset of the 8-pin, so you can connect a 6-pin to an 8-pin connector (the keying all matches) and as long as it provides enough power it'll work. |
| 21:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | The 6+2 setup is just a normal 8-pin connector, split in two. |
| 21:02 | < Attilla> | yeah i know i mean as an asides |
| 21:02 | < Attilla> | *aside |
| 21:02 | < Attilla> | if I didn't have a 6+2 connector |
| 21:02 | < Attilla> | just a 6-pin one |
| 21:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | <ToxicFrog> The 6-pin pinout is a subset of the 8-pin, so you can connect a 6-pin to an 8-pin connector (the keying all matches) and as long as it provides enough power it'll work. |
| 21:04 | <&ToxicFrog> | Whether it provides enough power depends on the PSU and the video card in question. |
| 21:14 | < Attilla> | well brb gonna go look at my internals |
| 21:27 | < Attilla> | Looks like they're only 2x6. Is a molex connector like a white horizontal bar with four pins? |
| 21:35 | < Attilla> | See here http://i.imgur.com/KGuOSjQ.jpg and here: |
| 21:35 | < Attilla> | http://i.imgur.com/5FwaSHY.jpg |
| 21:36 | < Attilla> | Huh weird oh well this client. Is a bit awkward |
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| 21:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | Attilla: yes, that's a molex connector |
| 21:49 | < Attilla> | Okay, well then this is salvageable. Will something break if I use a molex-to-8 pin adapter and one of the 6 pins? Tbh I have a new idea now anyway but this could be one. |
| 21:49 | <&ToxicFrog> | Wait, what? |
| 21:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | "molex-to-8 pin adapter and one of the 6 pins" for what? |
| 21:55 | < Attilla> | A GPU, some require a 6 pin and 8 pin, right? |
| 22:05 | < Attilla> | It doesn't matter though I've changed my mind on which one I want anyway so I should be fine with connecting it. |
| 22:06 | < Attilla> | They ought to standardize power connectors and PSUs I swear :I |
| 22:06 | <@TheWatcher> | They have |
| 22:07 | <@TheWatcher> | Standards are great things: there's so many to choose from. |
| 22:07 | < Attilla> | hahaha |
| 22:07 | < Attilla> | overstandardized |
| 22:16 | < Attilla> | I believe there is an XKCD strip pertaining to this. |
| 22:19 | < ErikMesoy> | Obligatory xkcd |
| 22:19 | < ErikMesoy> | I like the approach that The Daily WTF took to this: mods began replacing overused xkcd strips with pictures of Rosie. |
| 22:19 | < ErikMesoy> | (Pics of Rosie were replaced with random xkcd strips.) |
| 22:21 | < ErikMesoy> | Then again, TDWTF forums are very silly places where people have posts in their signatures, because the signatures allow too much HTML. |
| 22:22 | < ErikMesoy> | So every time a certain guy posts, his "signature" will take the form of another post appearing afterwards. |
| 22:22 | < ErikMesoy> | (always the same one) |
| 22:31 | <@gnolam> | Rosie? |
| 22:31 | <@gnolam> | Also, just allowing images in people's signatures is allowing too much HTML. |
| 22:33 | < ErikMesoy> | Rosie O'Donnell. |
| 22:37 | < ErikMesoy> | A nice example: http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/29306/342459.aspx#342459 The post by "PJH" is a real post. The 'post' by "Username" is actually PJH's signature. Appears several times in the thread. |
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| 22:51 | < [R]> | ErikMesoy: that's not the only WTF about te board. |
| 22:52 | < [R]> | You know those tags? If you're logged in it'll send you every tag in existance, per post. |
| 22:52 | < [R]> | It's also incapable of banning people. |
| 22:54 | < [R]> | It also didn't stop XSS attacks... until Alex "fixed" that |
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