| --- Log opened Sat Aug 10 00:00:36 2013 |
| 00:26 | <&Derakon> | IIRC I had a complaint about one of Lost Pig's puzzles. |
| 00:26 | <&Derakon> | It's something like you have a magnet, but it's attracted to colors. |
| 00:26 | <&Derakon> | And IIRC one of the puzzles is that by changing the color of the magnet it can be attracted to different things. |
| 00:27 | <&Derakon> | And my mental model had been "this thing attracts pigments that have this color, and is colored appropriately as a clue to the user", which did not mesh with that action. |
| 00:28 | <&Derakon> | (Since the pigment it attracts has nothing innately to do with the color of the magnet, but rather the material properties of what it's made out of -- in my mental model) |
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| 07:07 | | * McMartin hits a real-life priority inversion bug |
| 07:07 | <&McMartin> | These bugs I want fixed aren't important enough to slip the schedule for |
| 07:08 | <&McMartin> | Therefore if I want to see them fixed I've got to bust my ass on them >_> |
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| 12:39 | < AnnoDomini> | My Raspi works! |
| 12:40 | <@TheWatcher> | IT'S ALIVE!!!! |
| 12:41 | < AnnoDomini> | Now, I need a way to ssh to it over the internet. How does one do that? I don't think this ISP gives a static IP and it's on the router's LAN anyway. |
| 12:41 | < AnnoDomini> | I can ssh to it locally, but that won't work if I'm elsewhere. |
| 12:42 | < Syka> | AnnoDomini: dynamic dns |
| 12:42 | <@TheWatcher> | You need to set up your modem/router to forward port 22 (or whichever port you're running sshd on) to the raspi's IP |
| 12:42 | < Syka> | i think theres a company that does it, called dyndns |
| 12:42 | < Syka> | iirc its free |
| 12:42 | < Syka> | also for the love of god don't forward ssh on port 22 |
| 12:42 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah |
| 12:45 | <@TheWatcher> | If you stick it on some random high-end port, you'll get virtually no hack attempts. Of course, some networks will actively block you from connecting to high-end ports like that. |
| 12:45 | <@TheWatcher> | (if you need to run it on 22, disable password logins and use pubkey auth) |
| 12:47 | <@Tamber> | And also be prepared for your logs to explode in size, if you are logging. |
| 12:48 | | * TheWatcher really must collect the pieces he needs to build the Launch Box |
| 12:50 | < AnnoDomini> | I don't see dyndns having any free options. |
| 12:52 | <@Tamber> | Not any more, they don't. |
| 12:53 | <@Tamber> | (Unless you're a legacy customer from when they *did* do, but they're trying to screw people out of that.) |
| 12:54 | | * AnnoDomini finds a noip.com. |
| 12:57 | < AnnoDomini> | Do I need forwarding if I have a dynamic update thingy? |
| 12:57 | <@TheWatcher> | Yes |
| 12:57 | <@TheWatcher> | The dynamic IP thing just translates a hostname into the IP address of your connection, but that only gets you as far as the router |
| 12:58 | <@TheWatcher> | the router then needs to know what to do with attempted connections. |
| 12:58 | < AnnoDomini> | OK. |
| 12:58 | | * AnnoDomini embarks on the quest to find the default credentials for the router, since the owner did not seem to write them down. |
| 13:01 | < AnnoDomini> | Hmm. I guess I'll have to assign the raspi a static IP on the LAN so I can keep forwarding to it, rather than having to change it every time it is rebooted and assigned a new one. |
| 13:04 | < AnnoDomini> | Hmm. It is possible for me to set up forwarding so that I'm sshing from the internet to $random_port and it sends it to port 22 on the raspi, right? |
| 13:04 | <@TheWatcher> | Yus |
| 13:05 | < AnnoDomini> | Cool. |
| 13:08 | < AnnoDomini> | Hmm. Doesn't seem an option to set up a static MAC->IP assignment on the router. |
| 13:08 | < Syka> | um |
| 13:08 | < Syka> | you don't need to |
| 13:09 | < AnnoDomini> | How do I assign a static IP to the raspi's NIC? |
| 13:09 | < Syka> | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:09 | < Syka> | if it's cli only |
| 13:09 | < AnnoDomini> | CLI? |
| 13:09 | < Syka> | if youve got a gui on it, use network manager |
| 13:09 | < Syka> | command line interface |
| 13:09 | < AnnoDomini> | Oh, yeah, I'm ssh'd into it now. |
| 13:09 | < Syka> | have you got graphics and shit |
| 13:10 | < Syka> | if so, your networking is probably done by network-manager |
| 13:10 | < AnnoDomini> | It has a GUI that I can launch, but I'm using the command line now. |
| 13:10 | < Syka> | kay, so, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:10 | < Syka> | if you google it, you'll get some examples on what it needs to look like |
| 13:11 | < Syka> | since i can't remember it off the top of my hea |
| 13:11 | < Syka> | d |
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| 13:23 | < ErikMesoy> | I've inherited a codebase where large amounts of strings are inside a codefile and it's impractical to split them out. Many of the strings are badly spelled. What sort of spell-check or highlighter would you recommend that can be configured to selectively ignore (things that look like) code, or to only search inside quote marks? |
| 13:30 | | * thalass wants an RPi |
| 13:30 | <@TheWatcher> | I'd use emacs's flyspell-rpog-mode |
| 13:30 | <@TheWatcher> | *prog |
| 13:30 | < thalass> | Not sure what i'd do with it, mind you, but y'know |
| 13:31 | <@TheWatcher> | flyspell-prog-mode will highlght spelling errors in comments and strings, but otherwise ignore code |
| 13:31 | < Syka> | ErikMesoy: well |
| 13:31 | < Syka> | i guess you could split on "s |
| 13:31 | < Syka> | or something |
| 13:31 | < Syka> | but that won't fit back in easy |
| 13:32 | < Syka> | unless you convert it to use a strings file |
| 13:34 | <@Tarinaky> | ErikMesoy: Is this codebase compiled into a binary? |
| 13:35 | < AnnoDomini> | Hrm. Trying to ssh into the raspi over the internet gives a connection refused or connection closed. |
| 13:35 | <@Tarinaky> | If it is, I'd actually use strings to extract the plaintext, run aspell or something over that and then use grep to find where the string actually came from. |
| 13:35 | <@Tamber> | Tarinaky, ...you're not going to suggest running it through strings | aspell, are you? >.> |
| 13:35 | <@Tamber> | ...yup, apparently you are. |
| 13:36 | <@Tarinaky> | Sorry >.< |
| 13:36 | <@Tamber> | (Or close enough, anyway~) |
| 13:36 | < AnnoDomini> | Hmm. I also do not want the router's administration login page to show up when you navigate to the no-ip.biz address. |
| 13:36 | <@Tarinaky> | It's a bad solution, but it is a solution. |
| 13:36 | < ErikMesoy> | Tarinaky: Mostly, no. It uses an unholy IE dependency. |
| 13:38 | <@Tarinaky> | If you can come up with a way of defining what you want to spellcheck by regular expression that would be my next line of attack then. |
| 13:39 | <@Tarinaky> | (Although you know what they say about regular expressions and having two problems) |
| 13:41 | <@TheWatcher> | (seriously, load into emacs, turn on flyspell-prog-mode, then run flyspell-buffer and you'll get all the spelling errors highlighted and can go through and fix 'em. It's that simple.) |
| 13:42 | | * ErikMesoy goes to learn about this magic. |
| 13:43 | <@Tarinaky> | There's probably an equivalent plugin for vim - but vim plugins are perl scripts iirc so it inevitably uses regular expressions /somehow/. |
| 13:43 | < ErikMesoy> | Is "learning emacs" going to be my second problem today? |
| 13:44 | <@TheWatcher> | If you run the X11 version, you get menus to access the most commonly used features (open, save, and save as in particular). |
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| 13:46 | <@TheWatcher> | (that said, doing things like setting the dictionary are minibuffer ops, so *shrug*) |
| 13:47 | < ErikMesoy> | Aaaaack. Looking more detailedly at this codefile, it embeds things-to-do with the string inside quotation marks, and the string proper is between ECHO: and the closing quotation mark. |
| 13:48 | <@TheWatcher> | You're doomed~ |
| 13:48 | < ErikMesoy> | There's code like #ACTION, TARGET, CONDITION, "REQUIREMENT:FOO:MODAMOUNT:5:ECHO:String of stuff." |
| 13:48 | <@Tamber> | ...yup, you're doomed. |
| 13:48 | <@Tarinaky> | Can you express the desired strings as regular expressions? |
| 13:49 | < ErikMesoy> | I think so, unless there are more terrible subclauses. |
| 13:49 | <@Tarinaky> | Write a perl/python/awk/sed/whatever script and push it through aspell :p |
| 13:50 | < ErikMesoy> | Also, what the hell kind of language is this? I just know it uses the IE rendering engine, because it dumps stuff to HTML files that can be opened in a browser, and then the browser will look like a snapshot of the program in a window (but a non-reactive one). |
| 13:50 | <@Tarinaky> | Win32 API? |
| 13:50 | | * ErikMesoy is going to have a long and hard think about how he ended up saying yes to improving this without checking it out in more detail first. |
| 13:51 | | * Tarinaky tries to remember how to write a regular expression that matches what Erik described... |
| 13:52 | < ErikMesoy> | It /should/ be fairly simple: Things between ECHO and " which aren't linebreak. |
| 13:53 | < ErikMesoy> | But I'm wondering what other black magic I will find here |
| 13:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Well, if it's always after ECHO, you can just use `my ($str) = $line =~ /ECHO:([^"]+)/` |
| 13:53 | <@TheWatcher> | But that assumes no embedded \" |
| 13:53 | <@Tarinaky> | Yeah. I'm wondering if we can be slightly more permissive and go with anything after the last unescaped ':'. |
| 13:54 | <@Tarinaky> | Or just the last ':'. |
| 13:55 | <@Tarinaky> | Something like (*:)? |
| 13:55 | < ErikMesoy> | What the fucking, fucking hell. There are error messages that get printed with both ECHOFAIL: and FAILECHO: |
| 13:55 | < ErikMesoy> | (that is, there's at least one error message that gets printed with each of these. no single error message is printed with both) |
| 13:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Probably an alias. |
| 13:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Or deprecated funtionality or something... |
| 13:58 | <@TheWatcher> | Once you discover what language that actally is, you'll need to tell us, because I'm drawing a blank. |
| 13:59 | <@Tarinaky> | It 'isn't. |
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| 14:00 | <@Tarinaky> | *it isn't a language I mean. |
| 14:01 | <@Tarinaky> | Looks a bit like the ini spec I think? So probably some sort of arcane formatting specification maybe. |
| 14:01 | < ErikMesoy> | Some guy has left references to his folders here. C:\Users\Bob\Desktop is referenced as the location to get an image from. |
| 14:01 | < ErikMesoy> | (Bob is not actual name, all this is somewhat anonymized of course) |
| 14:02 | <@Tarinaky> | I assumed by bob you meant Svenge Petersen. :p |
| 14:02 | < ErikMesoy> | There are quasi-formatted strings with HTML like <font color=#FFFFFF> globbed in here. |
| 14:03 | <@Tarinaky> | That's to be expected, since the output is HTML. |
| 14:04 | < ErikMesoy> | Oh, wow. Guess how internal quote marks for use in strings are rendered. |
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| 14:04 | < ErikMesoy> | " |
| 14:04 | < ErikMesoy> | (No semicolon.) |
| 14:06 | <@TheWatcher> | ... |
| 14:09 | < ErikMesoy> | "The name <font color=#FFFFFF>"Bob"</font> is not available" |
| 14:10 | <@TheWatcher> | At this point, I'd be running away screaming.~ |
| 14:11 | < ErikMesoy> | For any particular reason, or just because this is arcane? |
| 14:12 | <@Tamber> | s/arcane/insane/ |
| 14:12 | < ErikMesoy> | Because, well, I can understand exactly how this works. |
| 14:12 | < ErikMesoy> | A code monkey could look at this and write more of it. |
| 14:12 | < ErikMesoy> | It's just violating so many conventions that I wonder how it *can* work. |
| 14:13 | <@Tamber> | Badly. |
| 14:14 | <@Tarinaky> | Check to see if there is an in-house library or source or something because you might need it for documentation if you ever need to do anything tricky... |
| 14:14 | <@Tarinaky> | I suspect comments in a sourcefile are the best docs you're going to get if you are /lucky/. |
| 14:17 | <@TheWatcher> | ErikMesoy: precisely because it is violating so many conventions |
| 14:18 | <@TheWatcher> | I wouldn't want to touch that |
| 14:18 | <@Tarinaky> | "If you break it, it becomes yours" |
| 14:18 | <@TheWatcher> | (also, font tags? Good gods, what is this, 1991?) |
| 14:18 | <@Tarinaky> | Quite likely, yes. |
| 14:19 | < ErikMesoy> | TheWatcher: Well, it comes with a COMCAT.DLL that's marked as last modified in 1998, and that's the oldest component I've found so far... |
| 14:21 | | * TheWatcher wince |
| 14:21 | < ErikMesoy> | That might be an older import though; the oldest files I can see which must have been created specifically for this program (icons and the like) date to 2006. |
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| 15:07 | < AnnoDomini> | It doesn't even seem to be an option. |
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