| --- Log opened Tue Jul 30 00:00:29 2013 |
| 00:01 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 00:01 | <&McMartin> | OK, digging into it more and pondering other things, it turns out that Common LISP's setf has in fact been surpassed. |
| 00:01 | <&McMartin> | or rather, it was surpassed by C++ within five years~ |
| 00:02 | <&McMartin> | setf is roughly equivalent to a library that's obsessively consistent about (a) correctly overriding operator=() and copy constructors, and (b) whose accessors all return non-const references instead of copies of the value. |
| 00:04 | <&McMartin> | "But (b) isn't actually a good idea; you should only do that when it's OK to expose internals." Well, yes. Common LISP's approaches to encapsulation are only slightly more privacy-oriented than Python, and noncoincidentally very close indeed to JavaScript's. |
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| 02:23 | | * ToxicFrog writes a clojure program to solve the jumping pegs puzzle because Fuck That Noise |
| 02:23 | <&McMartin> | Hee |
| 02:24 | <&McMartin> | Who is confronting you with jumping pegs~ |
| 02:24 | <@Reiv> | Query: Did IE10 come with some Download Helper or the like? |
| 02:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | Machinarium |
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| 02:25 | <@Reiv> | Orthia is concerned she may have spyware on her machine, but if it is in fact plugged into IE10, I wonder if it could hurt Chrome at all. |
| 02:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | Depends on how it's implemented. |
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| 02:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | ...stack overflow. I didn't realize- OH |
| 02:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | No tail call elimination, right |
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| 03:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | It's kind of aggravating that a bunch of things that operate on seqs will take a string as input but return a seq of chars |
| 03:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | https://gist.github.com/ToxicFrog/f457966818b0ce77c604 |
| 03:27 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 03:27 | <&McMartin> | Strings are IIRC seqable but not actually seqs |
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| 03:28 | <&McMartin> | I think I solved this one by going through the silly shoot-em-up and copying it out |
| 03:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | Still, storing the stuff as strings and then apply'ing str as needed looks nicer than what I was doing before, which was storing them as vectors of keyworsd |
| 03:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | Having played the shmup once, I have concluded that I'd rather just use gamefaqs |
| 03:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | But this gave me an excuse to deploy clojure |
| 03:29 | <&McMartin> | Fair enough |
| 03:29 | <&McMartin> | (And yes, Machinarium can go fuck itself~) |
| 03:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | (Symbol is sick and wanted to watch me playing something visually appealing but calm. Machinarium happens to sort to the top of my list of point-and-click adventures.) |
| 03:29 | <&McMartin> | (OK) |
| 03:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | (it is exactly what she was looking for but yeah, as a game, it's pretty awful) |
| 03:30 | <&McMartin> | (Wait until you hit the endgame) |
| 03:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | (I am waiting for the inevitable towers of hanoi and 15-puzzle0 |
| 03:30 | <&McMartin> | (They invent entirely new ways to be wrong!) |
| 03:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | (are they vulnerable to machine solving~) |
| 03:31 | <&McMartin> | (No) |
| 03:31 | <&McMartin> | (They are The Dreaded Adventure Game Attempts At Arcade Sequences) |
| 03:31 | <&McMartin> | (Which have always been shit) |
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| 03:31 | <&McMartin> | (But in both Machinarium and Botanicula, Amanita invents new and baffling ways to completely fuck everything up) |
| 03:31 | <&McMartin> | (I look forward to your inevitable rage) |
| 03:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | (if symbol recovers before I finish machinarium, I'm just going to null it~) |
| 03:33 | <&McMartin> | (If you do this, I will outline their sins) |
| 03:33 | <&McMartin> | (But I enjoy watching others suffer for my amusement~) |
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| --- Log closed Tue Jul 30 04:25:34 2013 |
| --- Log opened Tue Jul 30 04:25:42 2013 |
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| 07:41 | <&McMartin> | aha |
| 07:42 | <&McMartin> | What I need to do is remove the "subscriber" notion from level 0 entirely; subscribers should not be separate from the higher-level objects. |
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| 14:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | Hang on, I'm an idiot |
| 14:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | These maps are completely unnecessary |
| 14:49 | <&ToxicFrog> | A state is just a list of boards; the current board is (head state) and the history is (rest state) |
| 14:49 | <@iospace> | i see board and thing SBC :V |
| 14:49 | <@iospace> | *think |
| 14:49 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, I wrote a solver for jumping-pegs last night and just realized a way to improve it |
| 14:50 | <@iospace> | heh |
| 14:50 | <@iospace> | i am such a low level nerd |
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| 15:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | Much nicer: https://gist.github.com/ToxicFrog/8f4ca169fd12c3e08e2f |
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| 15:41 | < RichyB> | iospace, I think most here empathise. Things get interesting as we peer ever closer to transistors. βΊ |
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| 15:46 | <@iospace> | yup |
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| 15:51 | <@TheWatcher[afk]> | Just don't go peering into the transistors, that silicon physics stuff is seriously weird shit. |
| 16:12 | < ktemkin> | It's not all that weird. =P |
| 16:13 | < ktemkin> | But I'm an engineer, so what do I know about what CS people find weird, eh? =P |
| 16:14 | < ktemkin> | It's only when your devices get really tiny that you have to start paying attention to the odd stuff. |
| 16:33 | < RichyB> | Mostly I just leave the silicon physics at "there's a transition-frequency vs. power usage response curve and it's roughly quadratic", which to me is a reasonable enough abstraction over all the difficult bits. |
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| 17:03 | <@iospace> | i hate this one co-worker who always comes in late, like 1100 late |
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| 17:26 | < jeroud> | iospace: Engineer hours are typically offset from standard hours. |
| 17:33 | | * iospace shrugs |
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| 20:10 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, my day tends to begin at around 1030-1100 and end around 1900-2100. |
| 20:19 | <&McMartin> | Heh, of course, some people have days that spend many more hours in the office but spend a few hours just reading books or talking with family on the phone because they're waiting for traffic to clear up before they leave. =P |
| 20:20 | <@Namegduf> | Ny workplace's standard hours run 1000-1800. |
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| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | (I'm actually WFH at the moment since I'm in FIX ALL THE BUGS, LEAVE ME ALONE mode in an otherwise isolated corner of the system) |
| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | (I will probably swing in later once I kick off a long running build-and-test process, as this is the finest time to commute) |
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| 21:52 | < Syka> | well that explains why this chatnet wasn't working |
| 21:52 | < Syka> | irssi logs were full of 'wrong port you idiot' |
| 22:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | That would do it. |
| 22:03 | < Syka> | sigh |
| 22:03 | < Syka> | and then another chatnet's round robin gave me a server with broken SSL |
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