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| 11:44 | | * TheWatcher eyes this |
| 11:47 | <@TheWatcher> | So, $oracle-database (which I do not have 'direct' access to, but do have access to php scripts to export the data, because :admingonk:) contains student contact info, and programme, plan, and course choices and academic level info. |
| 11:48 | < [R]> | gg |
| 11:48 | <@TheWatcher> | The information in $oracle-database is based on a data feed from the unholy pit of central Campus Problems^WSolutions ("Peoplesoft Campus Edition") |
| 11:49 | <@TheWatcher> | Right now, the information coming out of that feed is for academic year 2012/13 (the one that has now ended) |
| 11:49 | < [R]> | I'm begining to suspect that a good Peoplesoft program is actually rarer than a PHP one. |
| 11:50 | <@TheWatcher> | At some point, the data coming out of that feed will be for academic year 2013/14 (the one that starts in september) |
| 11:50 | <@TheWatcher> | What causes that change? Someone in admin pressing a button, at some ill-defined, variable point in August. |
| 11:51 | <@TheWatcher> | Added bonus: nowhere in the campus solutions feed, the database, or the feeds I need to use to access said data does it actually state what it considered to be the current academic year |
| 11:52 | <@TheWatcher> | This is a Problem. |
| 11:53 | <@TheWatcher> | So now I need to work out a reliable method for detecting when the feed has switched years |
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| 11:53 | < abudhabi> | Install a camera overwatching the Button. |
| 11:53 | < abudhabi> | Bribe someone in admin to give you inside information. |
| 11:54 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, I can get them to tell me when they've done it. The thing is I shouldn't need to. |
| 11:55 | <@TheWatcher> | Manual intervention in this sort of thing is inevitably a source of hilarious breakage. |
| 11:55 | <@TheWatcher> | Especially as the data I have access to is updated at most three times a day, and potentially variable times |
| 11:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Sounds like you need some sort of log/delta you can replay to apply year changes retroactively? |
| 11:56 | <@Tarinaky> | So you can change the year yesterday. |
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| 17:17 | < abudhabi> | Hmm. Anyone know regular expressions around here? |
| 17:18 | <@Tamber> | yes. |
| 17:19 | < abudhabi> | I want to do this: http://pastie.org/8143076 |
| 17:20 | < abudhabi> | The interior of the brackets changes; there can be pretty much anything there. |
| 17:27 | < abudhabi> | How do I say the first thing? |
| 17:27 | <@Tamber> | I have no idea. |
| 17:27 | < abudhabi> | The second I think would be "historical_units = { /n }" or something. |
| 17:27 | <@Tamber> | Hmm. |
| 17:28 | <@froztbyte> | wat |
| 17:29 | < abudhabi> | I want to purge the definitions of historical units from hundreds of files in a single go. |
| 17:29 | < abudhabi> | I need regular expressions to do this, I think. Notepad++ appears to support this. |
| 17:29 | <@froztbyte> | give this a shotL s/^(^historical_units|^\})// |
| 17:29 | <@froztbyte> | warning: untested, quick hack, might depend on your lib |
| 17:29 | <@froztbyte> | (how it deals with }) |
| 17:30 | <@froztbyte> | (also I've got a flu again so I'm not braining well) |
| 17:30 | < abudhabi> | I don't have a proper shell here. I'm on Windows, and this is a search and replace prompt. I have boxes for "find what" and "replace with". |
| 17:31 | < abudhabi> | As I said, Notepad++. |
| 17:31 | < abudhabi> | I actually want to leave the empty bracket in there, though. |
| 17:41 | <@celticminstrel> | Can there be nested brackets? |
| 17:43 | < abudhabi> | Hmmm. No. There shouldn't be. |
| 17:44 | < RichyB> | ^historical_units = \([^)]*\) |
| 17:44 | < RichyB> | to: historical_units = () |
| 17:44 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah that. |
| 17:44 | < RichyB> | use version control to save the state of your files first |
| 17:44 | <@celticminstrel> | Except with the right brackets. |
| 17:44 | < abudhabi> | Why the parens instead of curly brackets? |
| 17:45 | < RichyB> | Misreading. I thought you had parens there. |
| 17:45 | < RichyB> | Just change it to: ^historical_units = {[^}]*} -> historical_units = {} |
| 17:45 | < RichyB> | relies on the assumption that your regexp implementation will cross lines, which not all do. |
| 17:47 | < abudhabi> | It complains that ^historical_units = {[^}]*} is not a valid regular expression. |
| 17:47 | < [R]> | escape the curlies |
| 17:48 | < abudhabi> | All of them? |
| 17:49 | < abudhabi> | OK. ^historical_units = \{[^}]*\} seems to find the correct thing. |
| 17:55 | < abudhabi> | It worked! Thank you. |
| 17:56 | < RichyB> | No problem. |
| 17:56 | < RichyB> | Since when are curlies special in regexps? |
| 17:56 | < RichyB> | ohhh |
| 17:57 | < RichyB> | Repetition count. |
| 17:57 | < RichyB> | (pattern){0,2} matches between 0 and 2 repetitions of (pattern) |
| 17:57 | < RichyB> | Sorry, I forgot about that. |
| 19:15 | <&ToxicFrog> | abudhabi: it's worth installing a proper shell, IMO |
| 19:16 | < abudhabi> | Probably. |
| 19:17 | < abudhabi> | But now, my mind is occupied with technological modernization paths for various tech groups. |
| 19:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | (Cygwin in particular gets you not only sed, but git!) |
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| 19:44 | < ktemkin> | Yes, but it's Cygwin. |
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| 19:47 | < ktemkin> | Cygwin seems to work well enough, but it's a pain to get anything installed on it. |
| 19:47 | < ktemkin> | It really needs a nice command-line package manager. |
| 19:48 | < ktemkin> | I've seen some fledgling projects try, but I haven't seen any good solutions. I haven't looked at it in a few years, though. |
| 19:51 | <&ToxicFrog> | It does have a graphical package manager, and ISTR finding some command line interfaces to the same infrastructure last time I looked |
| 19:51 | <&ToxicFrog> | This has not historically been an issue for me either way because I just install the entire thing |
| 19:52 | <&McMartin> | git itself ships with MSYS these days, ofc |
| 19:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, but I don't know if MSYS comes with sed and I'm quite sure it doesn't come with X11 |
| 19:56 | < ktemkin> | When last I used it, the graphical package manager required a lot of going through a badly-laid-out tree view-- and I don't think it had a search function. |
| 19:56 | < Locust> | coding is boring |
| 19:57 | < ktemkin> | If you wanted to install something new, you had to re-run the original installer. |
| 19:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | ktemkin: it's had a search feature since at least 2003 |
| 19:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | And yes, the installer is also the graphical package manager |
| 19:57 | < Locust> | you could also use microsoft sharepoint search feature |
| 19:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | (also, there's a button on it that cycles through views, IIRC) |
| 19:58 | < ktemkin> | My memory of it is hazy, though; and I may be unfairly biased against it. I would really have to take a fresh look at it to get an unbiased opinion. |
| 19:58 | < ktemkin> | I mostly just remember really disliking it; which isn't really a good indication of its quality at all. |
| 19:59 | < ktemkin> | I don't have to use any Windows machines these days; so it's not a big deal for me, anyway. |
| 19:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | I freely admit that it's kind of clunky and unpolished, but it's not as bad as you seem to think. |
| 20:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | Having a command line version installed by default would be nice, though. |
| 20:00 | | * ToxicFrog eyes Locust |
| 20:01 | < ktemkin> | Does it now have a better terminal emulator? |
| 20:02 | < ktemkin> | When last I used it, by default, it used the tiny shell that cmd.exe used. (I almost typed command.com). |
| 20:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | I think that by default it still does that, since there's no guarantee you've installed something better |
| 20:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | But it has a windows native (i.e. no X dependency) rxvt, and, again, has since 2003 |
| 20:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | So, install that, edit cygwin.bat to launch rxvt, boom |
| 20:08 | < ktemkin> | Again, I may be unfairly biased against it. |
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| 21:29 | <@TheWatcher> | Dear emacs: WTF, why are you not correctly indenting in this /one/ header file. Minor and major modes are identical to all these other headers, and indenting works fine in them, so WTF |
| 21:34 | <@TheWatcher> | And, of course, closing emacs and reopening it makes the problem go away. |
| 21:34 | < Azash> | ?\_(?)_/? |
| 21:34 | <@TheWatcher> | Naturally. |
| 21:34 | <&McMartin> | Are you being burned by... oh, guess not~ |
| 21:35 | <@TheWatcher> | I think this might be it telling me that I should be doing something other than programming. |
| 21:35 | <&McMartin> | (Braces and the C Preprocessor don't always get along) |
| 21:35 | <@Tamber> | It's telling you that you should put away your foolish toy and use a REAL editor! |
| 21:36 | | * Tamber hands TW a needle, and a magnet. |
| 21:36 | | * Tamber then runs like hell before it gets returned at high velocity. |
| 21:36 | | * McMartin hands Tamber a bespectacled prepublication book critic. |
| 21:36 | <@Tamber> | :D |
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