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| 03:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | Argh. |
| 03:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | I keep updating the documentation for vstruct and then, when writing the documentation, writing in docs for features I wish it had but it doesn't |
| 03:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | So then I need to add tem |
| 03:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | *them |
| 03:15 | < Vorntastic> | Hahaha |
| 03:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | And I have like another 15 patches to send to the OSPO |
| 03:33 | < Vorntastic> | Ospo? |
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| 04:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: Open Source Programs Office, the arm of Google that approves contributions to open source projects |
| 04:29 | <~Vornicus> | aha |
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| 12:02 | < [R]> | GJ me. Installed Gentoo. Did /not/ install the bootloader. |
| 12:02 | <@froztbyte> | that's not really your big mistake ;) |
| 12:10 | < [R]> | Well I just rebooted. |
| 12:10 | < [R]> | :p |
| 12:11 | < Xon> | [R], in a VM or physical hardware? |
| 12:11 | < [R]> | Physical |
| 12:12 | < [R]> | Oh well, at least I picked the least-shitty bootloader |
| 12:12 | < [R]> | <3 syslinux |
| 12:12 | < Xon> | not too bad if you have easy physical access or a working out-of-band management access =p |
| 12:12 | < [R]> | Reinstalling a laptop |
| 12:13 | < Xon> | now, if that was on a remote server without any of that; it is another matter |
| 12:13 | < Xon> | ah |
| 12:14 | < [R]> | Yeah |
| 12:15 | < [R]> | But I'd want a well tested auto-deploy for a remote server :p |
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| 12:32 | < [R]> | Well, syslinux is really picky about paths. Forgot about that. |
| 12:32 | < [R]> | Figgured I'd be safe with relative ones (nope) |
| 12:32 | < [R]> | But it's all good now :) |
| 12:36 | < [R]> | TIL: `emerge vim tmux git` on a fresh desktop install will pull 194 packages. |
| 12:36 | < [R]> | D: |
| 12:36 | < [R]> | I miss pacman |
| 12:36 | <@froztbyte> | stop using shitty hipster distros and just continue with getting shit done |
| 12:37 | < [R]> | It was the least shitty distro :/ |
| 12:37 | <@froztbyte> | lawl. |
| 12:37 | <@froztbyte> | well, hopefully you learn from the pain |
| 12:38 | <@froztbyte> | not much to be done besides that |
| 12:39 | < [R]> | Aye |
| 12:39 | < [R]> | My test wasn't on the desktop config |
| 12:40 | < [R]> | So I had issues with it not automatically pulling libjpeg and shit. |
| 12:46 | | * TheWatcher eyes froztbyte |
| 12:47 | <@TheWatcher> | Y'know what, no, I don't give enough shits |
| 12:48 | <@froztbyte> | hahaha |
| 12:48 | <@froztbyte> | well, I don't understand what worth either arch or gentoo have besides the novelty value |
| 12:48 | <@froztbyte> | and following on that, any complaining about them is effectively hobbyist chatter |
| 12:49 | <@TheWatcher> | Uh-huh |
| 12:49 | <@froztbyte> | gentoo's only interesting thing is its build system, the worth of which is negated by it only being usable on gentoo |
| 12:49 | < [R]> | Well Arch /used/ to be good and solid. |
| 12:51 | < [R]> | Debian has apt. Fedora has retarded defaults (*cough*pulse*cough*). Slackware is my other option. |
| 12:51 | < [R]> | But I like being able to pull things from a repo, so gentoo it was. |
| 12:53 | <@froztbyte> | I...what? |
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| 12:59 | < [R]> | All in all though, if the annoyance is going to be packages take a while to install, I can deal with it by doing something else for a bit. |
| 13:05 | < Xon> | [R], o either use centos because I have lots of exposure to it at work. or ubuntu which I have exposure from work =p |
| 13:05 | < Xon> | I either use* |
| 13:09 | < [R]> | My experience with CentOS has been: fresh install. Use GUI thing to setup Apache (remember fresh install) because I don't quite remember how to do it myself. Boot Apache. See pages of config errors (remember: fresh install). Shrug. Next distro! |
| 13:10 | < [R]> | s/don't/didn't/ |
| 13:11 | < [R]> | (Why next distro? Because if something like that, fucks up that bad that easily, I really don't want to be trying to figgure out what the next fuck up will be) |
| 13:13 | <@TheWatcher> | My experience of centos has been "attempt to use a program - usually a webapp - that expects a version of a package created at some point after the dinosaurs roamed the earth, give up" |
| 13:14 | < [R]> | Heh |
| 13:14 | <@TheWatcher> | (because the alternative - trying to build the appropriate package - tends to turn into a rolling hell of replacing large chunks of the system) |
| 13:14 | <@TheWatcher> | (only without a package manager this time) |
| 13:15 | | * [R] is so glad he started using stow for things now |
| 13:16 | <@TheWatcher> | (CentOS is wonderful for enterprise stuff, where you're dealing with a large base of legacy software) |
| 13:16 | < [R]> | Since there's a small set of things that I actually install without package management, even if it exists. |
| 13:16 | <@TheWatcher> | (It's utter pain and madness if you want to do anything remorely cutting edge) |
| 13:16 | <@TheWatcher> | *remotely |
| 13:16 | < [R]> | Noted |
| 13:17 | <@TheWatcher> | (Unfortunately, IS in work seem not to understand this concept. Hence why I run my own farm of gentoo servers >.>) |
| 13:20 | <@froztbyte> | ueah I also recently had to deal with a 1 Cent OS system |
| 13:20 | <@froztbyte> | yeah* |
| 13:21 | <@froztbyte> | it was just utterly surprising to me that the platform still had the same crappy bugs as it did 8 years ago |
| 13:21 | <@TheWatcher> | Well, yes; people rely on them~ |
| 13:23 | <@froztbyte> | rofl |
| 13:24 | < ErikMesoy> | Is this what they call a common-law feature? |
| 13:24 | < [R]> | Which is why Excel still has that one math bug. |
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| 13:40 | < Xon> | froztbyte, hey centos 6.x is actually a kernel less than 5 years old now! |
| 13:40 | < Xon> | rather than the 5.x line with nearly a decade old kernel >.< |
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| 14:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | Gentoo is terrible, sorry. Lunar is the only good source-based distro, but it's unmaintained :( |
| 14:58 | | * ToxicFrog just uses SUSE these days |
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| 16:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | I hate how slope works in the Shock engine |
| 16:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | hate hate hate |
| 17:16 | <@gnolam> | ? |
| 17:27 | < ErikMesoy> | Does it infer all the things? |
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| 17:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | ErikMesoy: pretty much |
| 17:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | Figuring out where walls are requires you to read the floor/ceiling height information and slope parameters for every pair of adjacent tiles. |
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| 17:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | So, you need floor height and ceiling height, that's easy |
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| 17:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | Tile shape, which affects where the vertices actually are |
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| 17:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | If it's a sloped tile, slope degree, which is poorly documented |
| 17:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | And then interpret that in light of the slope control flags, which determine whether it's sloped in floor, ceiling, or both, and which ones, if either, are mirrored |
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