| --- Log opened Sun Jun 02 00:00:08 2013 |
| 00:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Spiderweb's Exile trilogy seems to be freeware now. |
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| 01:39 | <~Vornicus> | ! |
| 02:05 | <@celticminstrel> | Exclamation mark! |
| 02:05 | | * celticminstrel guesses it was at me? |
| 02:07 | <~Vornicus> | celmin: yes it was |
| 02:08 | <@celticminstrel> | Someone on the forums also wineskinned them. |
| 02:08 | <~Vornicus> | And now here is the quest that I the quest giver have: where might I find this |
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| 03:05 | <&McMartin> | GNU Make, you have failed me for the last time |
| 03:05 | <@Tamber> | Oh, don't be so hasty. I'm sure it'll fail plenty more times! |
| 03:22 | <&McMartin> | I'm trying to write The Final Patterns so I never have to dick with this again in C++/C projects. |
| 03:36 | <&McMartin> | http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/568 This seems to do what I want. |
| 03:37 | <&McMartin> | Nonrecursive makefile, sorts object files by source language, sequesters .o files, makedepend works |
| 03:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | These days, my approach to makefiles that are even slightly complicated is to let premake generate them for me. |
| 03:42 | <&McMartin> | I've always found makefile generators to be more work than doing it by hand. --- |
| 03:42 | <&McMartin> | But then, my needs are rarely complicated |
| 03:42 | <&McMartin> | -_- even |
| 03:44 | <&ToxicFrog> | My experience with premake has been that as long as you stick to what it knows (building C/C++ programs and libraries on windows, OSX, and linux) it is vastly less work than maintaining the makefiles/xcode project files/msdev project files by hand. |
| 03:44 | <&ToxicFrog> | Enceladus uses it. |
| 03:44 | <&ToxicFrog> | The main advantage of Make is that it can do anything you can do with the shell, as long as you don't mind it being relentlessly terrible at it. |
| 03:44 | <&McMartin> | Yeah. I don't need those things |
| 03:45 | <&McMartin> | I need dependency tracking and the ability to trivially pick up new files. |
| 03:45 | <&McMartin> | The former of which makedepend has been fine at for ages, and the latter of which I have stumbled across how to do. |
| 03:46 | <&McMartin> | I haven't put much thought into the Windows port of this stuff yet. -_- |
| 03:46 | <&McMartin> | I'm hoping I can set up MSYS to Just Work. |
| 03:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | https://github.com/ToxicFrog/Enceladus/blob/master/premake4.lua -- that's the config for enceladus |
| 03:46 | <&McMartin> | (I'm assisted in that unlike Enceladus I'm not trying to build a workable library.) |
| 03:47 | <&ToxicFrog> | And the shell script that generates the various build files from that: https://github.com/ToxicFrog/Enceladus/blob/master/premake.sh |
| 03:47 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, enceladus needed to build executables and both static and dynamic libs |
| 03:48 | <&McMartin> | And that also had some spiders sneaking in on the mingw side, IIRC. |
| 03:49 | <&ToxicFrog> | TBH I never tried it in native mingw; I just fed the win32 makefile premake generated to a cross-compilation environment and it worked. |
| 03:51 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 03:51 | <&McMartin> | It was me you had test that, IIRC~ |
| 03:52 | <&McMartin> | Anyway, my remaining goals for Project Monocle this weekend are: Sound effect objects that work, and map data loaded through the resource system instead of through the file system. |
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| 04:16 | | * McMartin returns home bearing sizable quantities of pizza |
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| 16:33 | <@gnolam> | Whoa. LibreOffice actually appears to have gotten usable SVG support. |
| 16:37 | < Syka> | except nothing actually useful, I presume? |
| 16:37 | < Syka> | :P |
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| 20:17 | < AnnoDomini> | Hmm. I want to scan my Windows partition for malware, preferably from Linux. Suggestions for software? |
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| 20:18 | <@Tamber> | AVG used to -- they may still have, but it might be a pig to find -- have a Linux version of their virus-scanner; for what that's worth. |
| 20:20 | <@Tamber> | There's also ClamAV, but the reports I've heard on how good that is range around "chocolate teapot". |
| 20:20 | < AnnoDomini> | Chocolate teapot? |
| 20:21 | <@Tamber> | As in "as much use as a" |
| 20:21 | < AnnoDomini> | Pff. |
| 20:22 | < Cryptikro> | Yeah Clam kinda does suck I tried using it |
| 20:22 | <@Tamber> | My stance on the matter is "They all suck golf-balls through a garden hose" |
| 20:27 | <@froztbyte> | AnnoDomini: better option: get a WinPE disc (BartPE, or whatever is fashionable these days) |
| 20:27 | <@froztbyte> | scan from there |
| 20:28 | < AnnoDomini> | What's a WinPE? |
| 20:29 | < Turaiel> | Windows Preinstallation Environment |
| 20:31 | < Turaiel> | You can use BartPE to create a preinstallation environment disc from a Windows install CD (XP is the last working one I think), and slipstream whatever software you want onto it. It's like a Windows Live CD. |
| 20:47 | < AnnoDomini> | I see. |
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| 21:00 | <@froztbyte> | http://this-plt-life.tumblr.com/ |
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| 21:37 | <@gnolam> | Ugh. Can we stop with the actively unfunny meme-forcing tumblrs already? :P |
| 21:38 | <@froztbyte> | I don't think you understand how tumblr works |
| 21:39 | <@froztbyte> | gnolam: may I submit a couple of others for your perusal? |
| 21:40 | <@froztbyte> | http://netopsreactions.tumblr.com/ |
| 21:40 | <@froztbyte> | http://dnsreactions.tumblr.com/ |
| 21:42 | <@gnolam> | And this is why posting GIFs should require a license. |
| 21:42 | <@froztbyte> | hahaha |
| 21:42 | <@froztbyte> | http://netopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/45361310896/networking-all-of-it is pretty true, though |
| 21:43 | <@froztbyte> | http://netopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/45121151940/fuck-it-im-fixing-this-now-an d-will-deal-with-policy && http://netopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44858772791/middle-of-the-day-changes too |
| 21:46 | <@froztbyte> | there's also http://fuckingcisco.com/ and http://shitmyroutersays.com/ |
| 21:56 | <@Azash> | I'm just waiting for notalwaysrouting.com |
| 21:57 | <@froztbyte> | heh, not a bad idea, that |
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| 23:31 | <&McMartin> | When did gif become the standard internet video format anyway, wasn't it supposed to be H.264 or something |
| 23:34 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't understand why gif keeps being used as a video format either... it's really not... |
| 23:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Maybe because it's small-ish... |
| 23:37 | <@Tamber> | Presumably because ".gif works and is equally crappy in every browser!" |
| 23:39 | <~Vornicus> | it works, the tools are now good enough, there's no wrangling with decoders or flash or any of that bullshit |
| 23:46 | < AnnoDomini> | celticminstrel: What Tamber said, also tradition and backwards compatibility and inertia. |
| 23:46 | < AnnoDomini> | GIF will start to die out when the dominant image editors will stop supporting saving images in it. |
| 23:47 | <@TheWatcher> | gif will die out when html 5 makes it easy to embed video in pages without needing plugins |
| 23:47 | <@TheWatcher> | OH WAIT, WHAT AM I SAYING? |
| 23:48 | | * TheWatcher goes and sticks some more pins in the microsoft and apple logos |
| 23:48 | <@TheWatcher> | Fucking farcical clusterfuck |
| 23:48 | <@TheWatcher> | (not that I'm bitter or anything) |
| 23:48 | < AnnoDomini> | But what will you do with a HTML 5 animation? Can you even save it to disk for your collection of soundless porn/cute kittens/mechanics/zit popping? |
| 23:49 | <&McMartin> | That's why the content providers hate it~ |
| 23:49 | < AnnoDomini> | But yeah, GIF offers a very simple, very portable way to do animation. |
| 23:49 | <@TheWatcher> | ... zit popping? |
| 23:50 | <@TheWatcher> | No, wait, I don't want to know. |
| 23:50 | <&McMartin> | I once tried to invent an obvious fake porn fandom flame war |
| 23:50 | <&McMartin> | It turned out to be a real thing bitterly fought on both sides |
| 23:50 | <&McMartin> | The lesson was learned but the damage was irreversible |
| 23:55 | <@gnolam> | Don't forget that GIFs are guaranteed soundless, which for this usage is a definite plus. |
| 23:55 | <@celticminstrel> | This is true, I guess. |
| 23:59 | <@gnolam> | And works without any bloody javascript. |
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