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| 05:30 | <@Azash> | Does anyone have suggestions for a good source on learning PHP+ |
| 05:30 | <@Azash> | ? |
| 05:32 | <~Vornicus> | "Don't" |
| 05:33 | <@Azash> | Well, I'm starting a lab course on web app development |
| 05:34 | <@Azash> | PHP/JS/HTML5/Postgre seems the simplest way to proceed |
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| 05:36 | | * McMartin suggests mod_python or even JSPs before PHP. |
| 05:39 | < Syk> | twisted! |
| 05:42 | <&Derakon> | Before you decide on PHP, read this: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ |
| 05:45 | <@Azash> | I'm aware, Derakon |
| 05:45 | <@Azash> | I'm also fairly strapped with time and just want to get dem creditz as soon as Azashly possible |
| 05:45 | <@Azash> | strapped for? |
| 05:46 | <&McMartin> | Hrm. |
| 05:46 | <&McMartin> | for, I think, yeah |
| 05:46 | <&McMartin> | It's definitely strapped for cash |
| 05:46 | <&McMartin> | Not sure about other things |
| 05:46 | <&McMartin> | Have been playing too much bad sci-fi, read that first as "strapped for credits" |
| 05:46 | <@Azash> | Hee |
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| 05:47 | <@Azash> | Aha |
| 05:47 | <@Azash> | Apparently it's strapped for cash and strapped of for everything else |
| 05:47 | <@Azash> | Or no, for |
| 05:47 | <@Azash> | Well anyway |
| 05:47 | <@Azash> | Just looking at zend's and webmonkey's tutorials |
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| 06:26 | <&jerith> | Azash: Seriously, learning something like Django will be easier and more productive than PHP. |
| 06:26 | <&jerith> | There is nothing good about PHP. |
| 06:28 | < Syk> | jerith: that's lying |
| 06:28 | < Syk> | it's good to make fun of |
| 06:28 | <@Azash> | Don't worry jerith, I already asked elsewhere |
| 06:29 | <&jerith> | What do you need the PHP for? |
| 06:33 | <&jerith> | Syk: Not even that. It's way too easy and just makes me sad. |
| 06:35 | < Syk> | heh trie |
| 06:35 | < Syk> | true |
| 06:42 | < Xon> | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Im-Sensing-Some-Tension.aspx <- lol |
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| 07:44 | <@froztbyte> | Azash: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/07/28/quick-doesnt-mean-dirty/ |
| 07:44 | <@froztbyte> | a quick walkthrough of flask |
| 07:44 | <@froztbyte> | flask is ridiculously quick to learn |
| 07:44 | <@froztbyte> | and jerith already mentioned django |
| 07:53 | < Syk> | i'm tempted at looking at heroku |
| 07:54 | < Syk> | maybe using heroku instead of my own VPS monstrosity |
| 07:54 | < Syk> | but, it doesn't solve too many problems, and then I'm at heroku's mercy |
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| 10:38 | | * TheWatcher pokes any Mac users |
| 10:38 | <@TheWatcher> | Can anyone recommend a free GUI grep application for macs? |
| 10:38 | <@TheWatcher> | (yes, I know OSX ships with the shell version of grep. This is for students who appear to be allergic to terminal windows) |
| 10:44 | <@gnolam> | froztbyte: whoever wrote that is totally missing the point. |
| 10:45 | <@froztbyte> | it's the same guy who did the "fractal of bad design" post |
| 10:45 | <@froztbyte> | but how do you mean? |
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| 12:13 | <@[R]> | TheWatcher[d00m]: is there a GUI vim for mac? |
| 12:13 | | * [R] suspects if they need to learn regex's they're in a profession-path that they should learn the damn terminal. |
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| 13:23 | < JustBob> | Ah, there you are. |
| 13:23 | < JustBob> | [06:17:26] <Nick1977> hello all! i have a question regarding turing machines: |
| 13:23 | < JustBob> | [06:17:45] <Nick1977> how can you prove with turing reduction that L = { x | x is a program of a turing machine that prints 0 when input is empty } undecidable is? |
| 13:24 | < Nick1977> | thanks for posting. :) |
| 13:24 | < JustBob> | Might someone be able to give'im a hand with that one? Fuckall if I know; I fail Turing tests. :p |
| 13:29 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm guessing turing machines are what will be covered in that one required course I haven't yet taken. |
| 13:29 | < JustBob> | (Insofar as it's 6:30am for the left coast, and since most of this place is NorAm, you might have a bit of a wait, Nick.) |
| 13:30 | < JustBob> | However. |
| 13:30 | < JustBob> | This might help: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~tal/3261/sp12/notes/halting_lecturenotes.pdf |
| 13:33 | < JustBob> | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CEAQ FjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cs.rpi.edu%2F~moorthy%2FCourses%2Fmodcomp%2Fslides%2FD ecidability_Reductions.ppt&ei=5tBBUdLtCcbmyQGS64GQAQ&usg=AFQjCNGGml65p423qhffwjv r6GZU9bXgJQ&sig2=BSrAovhnRQst9rD2QERZQw <- Or that, if you want to endure a powerpoint written entirely in Comic Sans MS. |
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| 13:38 | <@TheWatcher> | [R]: they're just wanting to search a bunch of html files for specific words |
| 13:39 | <@TheWatcher> | Basically just the equivalent of `grep -ri 'Something' /path/to/files` |
| 13:40 | <@TheWatcher> | But wrapped in something that won't make them have a fit |
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| 14:45 | <&McMartin> | [java] Gunther | public int getTimezoneOffset() |
| 14:45 | <&McMartin> | [java] Gunther | Deprecated. As of JDK version 1.1, replaced by -(Calendar.get(Calendar.ZONE_OFFSET) + Calendar.get(Calendar.DST_OFFSET)) / (60 * 1000) |
| 14:45 | <&McMartin> | [java] Gunther claps very slowly and carefully. |
| 14:46 | <&McMartin> | Yep |
| 14:48 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | :java: |
| 14:48 | <&McMartin> | Ordinarily, I'd actually approve of reducing the size of the core library to a minimal set of sufficiently powerful methods |
| 14:51 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | So would I, but actually accomplishing that would involve reducing the size of the Java Standard Library by at least 80%~ |
| 14:52 | <&McMartin> | Nah, much more than 20% of it is "batteries included" stuff |
| 14:52 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | So given the design philosophy of "implement ALL THE CLASSES", why not have getTimezoneOffset()? |
| 14:52 | <&McMartin> | Also, any cut that removes the CORBA layers is too deep |
| 14:52 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | (answer: because it would make code less verbose and WE CAN'T HAVE THAT) |
| 14:52 | <&McMartin> | Because Java's insistence on fully qualified names means that the standard *must* be mandating org.omg.* all over the place. |
| 14:52 | <&McMartin> | Also, the Object Management Group needs to found a Web Task Force and have *them* release Java classes. |
| 14:53 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | I kind of assumed that getTimezoneOffset() was a static method in java.util.datetime.date.time.util.Calendar or something anyways. |
| 14:54 | <&McMartin> | looks like an instance method; you might be working in multiple timezones simultaneously! |
| 14:59 | <@froztbyte> | "In August, a survey by Wakefield Research found 29 percent of Americans think cloud computing involves an actual cloud. (Only 16 percent went with "a computer network to store, access and share data.") The survey also found 51 percent of Americans think stormy weather would interfere with the cloud." |
| 14:59 | <@froztbyte> | http://www.11points.com/News-Politics/11_Things_Americans_Wrongly_and_Frightenin gly_Believe |
| 15:00 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | In other news, death to scanners |
| 15:00 | <&McMartin> | 51 percent of Americans are probably right. Whenever it rains within 50 miles of here AT&T's network floods and the nodes start shorting out, knocking my Internet to shit |
| 15:01 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog|W`rkn: amen |
| 15:01 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog|W`rkn: I nominate WorkenFrog, btw |
| 15:01 | <&McMartin> | Insufficient Marathon |
| 15:01 | <@froztbyte> | We Demand Additional Torches |
| 15:02 | <&McMartin> | This article has entirely too many numbers below 27% |
| 15:02 | <&McMartin> | Any number below 27% is basically zero |
| 15:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Pffft. |
| 15:03 | <&McMartin> | "We really need Neil deGrasse Tyson to come punch out these fools" |
| 15:03 | <&McMartin> | He'd never run out of necks! |
| 15:03 | | * ToxicFrog|W`rkn hurls froztbyte into the sun, binds him there with carefully shaped gravity fields |
| 15:03 | <&McMartin> | This is a waste of a perfectly good Neil deGrasse Tyson |
| 15:03 | <@celticminstrel> | Who is this guy, again? |
| 15:03 | <&McMartin> | Ha ha |
| 15:03 | <@celticminstrel> | I hear about him every so often. |
| 15:03 | <&McMartin> | It's too early in the morning, I have to look this up |
| 15:03 | <&McMartin> | A Science Badass, but he's also something official |
| 15:03 | <@celticminstrel> | Like, if I recall, he was the one who got the proper starts into Titanic or something. |
| 15:03 | <@celticminstrel> | ^stars |
| 15:04 | <&McMartin> | He was |
| 15:04 | <&McMartin> | He's a science writer and lecturer, it seems, and also used to host NOVA |
| 15:04 | <&McMartin> | He's essentially The Next Carl Sagan. |
| 15:04 | <@celticminstrel> | Ah. |
| 15:05 | <&McMartin> | And kind of looks like what you'd get if you crossed Carl Sagan with Samuel L. Jackson. |
| 15:05 | <&McMartin> | Ha ha, his wiki picture is great |
| 15:05 | <@celticminstrel> | I have neither of those faces in my memory, though I'm sure I've seen photos or something of Carl Sagan. |
| 15:06 | <&McMartin> | Nick Fury from Avengers~ |
| 15:06 | <&McMartin> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Neil_deGrasse_Tyson_-_NAC_Nov_2005.jpg |
| 15:06 | <&McMartin> | Seriously, check out that "what is wrong with you people" look~ |
| 15:06 | <&McMartin> | Though that might just be camera vs. things happening vs. stance |
| 15:06 | <&McMartin> | *really* looks like sideeye though |
| 15:08 | <@froztbyte> | he's kinda cool |
| 15:08 | <&McMartin> | Oh, Wikipedia |
| 15:08 | <&McMartin> | HONORS |
| 15:08 | <@froztbyte> | him on The Daily Show was lulz |
| 15:08 | <@celticminstrel> | Honors? |
| 15:08 | <&McMartin> | * 2000 Sexiest Astrophysicist Alive, People Magazine[57] |
| 15:08 | <@celticminstrel> | ... |
| 15:08 | <&McMartin> | This is literally the first entry on Wiki's honors list for him |
| 15:09 | <&McMartin> | Before "Had an asteroid named after him" |
| 15:09 | <&McMartin> | I suppose I'm willing to grant that this is because they're doing it in chronological order |
| 15:09 | <&McMartin> | But still. |
| 15:10 | <&McMartin> | Apparently Colbert interviewed him too |
| 15:11 | <&McMartin> | Also Also, apparently there is a topic footer Just For Him |
| 15:11 | <@celticminstrel> | ...topic footer? |
| 15:12 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh. |
| 15:12 | <@celticminstrel> | Huh. |
| 15:12 | <&McMartin> | He's written a bunch of stuff, so maybe this is typical for prolific authors? |
| 15:12 | | * McMartin rarely looks up actual people on Wiki. |
| 15:12 | <@celticminstrel> | I dunno... |
| 15:15 | | * celticminstrel looks up a bunch of random people to check. |
| 15:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Tamora Pierce, Ann McCaffrey, and Terry Pratchett have topic footers. Piers Anthony, Phil Plait, Sean Carroll, Bruce Schneier don't. |
| 15:16 | <@celticminstrel> | I guess that means it's at least somewhat normal? |
| 15:17 | <&McMartin> | Fair enough |
| 15:18 | <@celticminstrel> | I had no idea what Mitt Romney's name was. I just assumed that was his name. |
| 15:18 | <&McMartin> | I'm not entirely sure why it's horrifying that people aren't generally aware of what names someone has that they don't use. |
| 15:19 | <@celticminstrel> | You have a point there. |
| 15:19 | <&McMartin> | People know John Quincy Adams's middle name, but not his father's. You don't see people wringing their hands about that. |
| 15:19 | <@celticminstrel> | #11 is the best. |
| 15:22 | <&McMartin> | http://www.thismodernworld.com/weblog/mtarchives/week_2003_06_15.html#000779 has been my go-to link for "no, really, people don't actually know anything" for nearly a decade |
| 15:22 | <@celticminstrel> | Two of those topic boxes I found are actually about a specific subset of the person's works; eg Pratchett's is about Discworld only and not his other books. |
| 15:23 | <&McMartin> | Aha |
| 15:23 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, there is a "Neil deGrasse Tyson" topic box |
| 15:24 | <@celticminstrel> | McCaffrey's seems to cover all her works though. |
| 15:24 | <&McMartin> | (Takeaway from the TMW link: "So one-third of Americans mistakenly think we found WMDs? Great. We can work with that. After looking at these numbers, I'm just relieved 30 percent don't think Saddam's disembodied wraith is looming in a vengeful stormfront, ready to deflower the womenfolk, lead our children into Satan's bosom, and force the men to read science books.") |
| 15:24 | | * Azash sends in a job application, proceeds to chew nails for a week |
| 15:25 | <&McMartin> | "7% think Elvis is possibly still alive" |
| 15:25 | <&McMartin> | I wonder if this number drops as his natural age if alive continues to advance |
| 15:25 | <@celticminstrel> | How old would he be if he were still alive? |
| 15:25 | <@celticminstrel> | I wonder too. |
| 15:25 | <@Azash> | 78 |
| 15:25 | <&McMartin> | Born January 8, 1935. |
| 15:26 | <&McMartin> | Azash is faster with the math than I am |
| 15:26 | < Syka> | that's still possible |
| 15:26 | <&McMartin> | Only would have been 68 when the poll was taken |
| 15:26 | <@celticminstrel> | Speaking of Elvis, he also has his own topic box. |
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| 16:24 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | <sup3mark> Two weeks with no pope: baby cured of HIV, breath test for cancer, saltwater found on moon of Jupiter. Day one with new pope: Google Reader dies. |
| 16:25 | <@gnolam> | :D |
| 16:34 | <@Azash> | ToxicFrog|W`rkn: Amazing |
| 16:35 | <@celticminstrel> | Google Reader dies? What? |
| 16:35 | <@celticminstrel> | Also, what's this about HIV... |
| 16:35 | <@celticminstrel> | ...actually I want all of those. |
| 16:35 | <@celticminstrel> | Articles. |
| 16:35 | <@celticminstrel> | Stuff. |
| 16:35 | <@Azash> | The HIV thing got the typical press treatment |
| 16:35 | <@celticminstrel> | <_< |
| 16:36 | <@Azash> | Basically a kid born with HIV was treated starting as early as possible and was apparently cured |
| 16:45 | < LootOfficer> | Heard a story about a guy who was cured of AIDS by marrow transplants or something, some months before. |
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| 17:25 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | celticminstrel: Reader is being discontinued, shutdown sometime this summer, Newsblur and Feedly servers have melted as everyone jumps ship. |
| 17:26 | | * celticminstrel is using a non-online rss app anyway. |
| 17:40 | < RichyB> | ToxicFrog|W`rkn: oh god that's funny. |
| 17:41 | < RichyB> | Specifically, the bit where everyone else has a massive server meltdown. :) |
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| 18:26 | <@gnolam> | celticminstrel: The HIV thing: http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2013/03/03/wait-did-a-kid-just-get-cured-of-hiv/ |
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| 20:22 | < SmithKurosaki> | Afternoon all |
| 20:24 | < SmithKurosaki> | Is anyone around that's good with rsync? I'm trying to use it to copy a folder's contents into a folder elsewhere of the same name and it doesn't want to seem to work. It just wants to skip the entire directory. I know there is a specific / combination that makes it work, but I can't remember what it is |
| 20:27 | < RichyB> | rsync -a |
| 20:27 | < RichyB> | -a sets recursive, preserve dates/times, buncha other stuff. |
| 20:27 | < RichyB> | rsync -av is usually what you want in practice |
| 20:28 | < RichyB> | rsync -av --delete is what you want if you're synchronising instead of backing up. |
| 20:28 | < SmithKurosaki> | Hrm |
| 20:28 | < SmithKurosaki> | Thank you, I wasn't sure if I used to use options or not |
| 20:30 | < SmithKurosaki> | What does the --delete tag do? |
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| 20:30 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | If a file exists in the destination but not the origin, delete it in the destination. |
| 20:30 | <@TheWatcher> | removes any files in the destination that are not in the source |
| 20:31 | < SmithKurosaki> | Ahh |
| 20:31 | < SmithKurosaki> | I don't want to worry about that to prevent accidental file loss |
| 20:31 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | rsync -avvPh a/ b/ copies everything in a to b, and keeps any "extra" files in b. |
| 20:31 | < SmithKurosaki> | It's a sync and backup simultaneously |
| 20:31 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | rsync -avvPh --delete a/ b/ copies everything in a to b, and deletes anything in b that isn't in a. |
| 20:31 | < SmithKurosaki> | That's what I used to use... |
| 20:31 | < SmithKurosaki> | I hate having to relearn linux again |
| 20:31 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Basically, use --delete when you want both dirs to end up as perfect copies of each other, and not if you just want to merge the contents of one into another. |
| 20:32 | <&Derakon> | Reminds me, I should rsync my home directory again. |
| 20:32 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Derakon: I've been using Unison for semi-automatically harmonizing my dotfiles and stuff across machines. |
| 20:32 | <&Derakon> | TF: yeah, just one of those things I've never been arsed to get around to automating. |
| 20:32 | < SmithKurosaki> | Yea, I'm rsync backup->main and then main->backup to keep my main up to date versus my portable backup and then make sure all the new stuff in my main folder is backed up |
| 20:33 | | * Derakon goes back to pondering a problem he has. |
| 20:33 | < SmithKurosaki> | Thank you muchly |
| 20:34 | <&Derakon> | I have a linear array of objects that are arranged in a particular pattern, and I need to figure out how to index into it. |
| 20:34 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | SmithKurosaki: suggestion: install Unison, configure it to sync main<->backup automatically. Then you can just type "unison" and it automatically syncs everything. |
| 20:34 | < SmithKurosaki> | o.0 |
| 20:34 | < SmithKurosaki> | Is that cross platform? |
| 20:34 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | If there are conflicts (e.g. something has changed in backup and in main, but in different ways), it stops and asks you what to do. |
| 20:34 | <&Derakon> | To be specific, I'm collecting data where the angle, phase, and Z step each vary, and given a particular angle/phase/Z I need to figure out how to index in. |
| 20:34 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | Linux only, AFAIK. |
| 20:34 | < SmithKurosaki> | It's basically an automated git? |
| 20:34 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | No, it doesn't do any versioning. |
| 20:35 | <&Derakon> | E.g. if the ordering is angle -> phase -> z, then my angle multiplier is (maxPhase * maxZ), phase multiplier is (maxZ), z multiplier is 1. |
| 20:35 | < SmithKurosaki> | Yea |
| 20:35 | <&Derakon> | But the ordering could be any permutation. |
| 20:35 | <&ToxicFrog|W`rkn> | It's more an automated bidirectional rsync -a --delete |
| 20:35 | < SmithKurosaki> | Yay |
| 20:35 | < SmithKurosaki> | Anyways, I'm away |
| 20:35 | <&Derakon> | So I need to figure out the multipliers programmatically. |
| 20:36 | <&Derakon> | The last multiplier is always 1; the second multiplier is always (size of last multiplier's max value), the first is always (product of other two max values). |
| 20:36 | <&Derakon> | Hm... |
| 20:42 | <&Derakon> | Okay, I think this is right. http://pastebin.com/P0PJ1xFh |
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| 20:50 | < RichyB> | Dammit. The fact that Linux is missing SIGINFO is highly annoying. |
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| 20:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Several programs I've run into use USR1 for the same effect |
| 20:53 | < RichyB> | Yeah, that's fine. |
| 20:53 | <@TheWatcher> | (not that I can name any off the top of my head right now, brain is fried) |
| 20:53 | <@celticminstrel> | What's SIGINFO even for? |
| 20:53 | < RichyB> | What's awesome on FreeBSD and OS X is that pressing control-T in your terminal sends SIGINFO to the current foreground process. |
| 20:53 | < RichyB> | SIGINFO is ignored by default. |
| 20:54 | <@TheWatcher> | celticminstrel: generally it tells processes to print out information about how far along they are in a job |
| 20:54 | < RichyB> | The combination of these facts means that you can use SIGINFO to add "print a progress report to stderr" to pretty much any program that's normally supposed to be quiet while working (e.g. dd) and it works really well. |
| 20:55 | < RichyB> | Also, it means that the end-user has no fear of spamming SIGINFO at random processes on the off-chance that maybe they do something useful with it? |
| 20:55 | < RichyB> | The lack of it is, right now, seriously harshing my mellow because I wanted to abuse it for something slightly-related. |
| 20:56 | <@TheWatcher> | Kernel patching time!~ |
| 20:56 | | * Tamber hands TheWatcher a hex-editor. |
| 20:56 | < RichyB> | The problem with SIGUSR1 for that is that, firstly there's no support in terminals and vty's for sending it like there is for SIGINFO, and secondly the default behaviour is to kill the process. Dammit. |
| 21:07 | | * Derakon takes a moment to cheer for programs that have simulated devices and thus can be tested on laptops instead of having to always run on the production hardware. |
| 21:07 | | * Derakon takes a second moment to cheer for having written said programs~ |
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| 21:07 | <&jerith> | \o/ |
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| 23:26 | <&McMartin> | Whoa hey, Linux support for Gamemaker |
| 23:26 | <~Vornicus> | whoa hey |
| 23:26 | <&McMartin> | Not going to be back-compatible though, so no native Linux Iji =( |
| 23:26 | <~Vornicus> | :( |
| 23:27 | <&McMartin> | Native Linux Hotline Miami pretty plausible though, I think |
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