| --- Log opened Sun Feb 10 00:00:57 2013 |
| 00:03 | <~Vornicus> | I find that the hardest part of testing is getting the system ready to test at all. |
| 00:04 | <~Vornicus> | Once I get it so /a/ test works, the rest is quite straightforward. |
| 00:06 | <~Vornicus> | But testing frameworks are a lot bigger and more complex than most programs I write, and getting them working is often a big challenge. |
| 00:09 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
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| 01:16 | | * Thalass fiddles about with Learn Python The Hard Way |
| 01:16 | < Thalass> | whee |
| 01:17 | <~Vornicus> | I've not heard really good things about that |
| 01:36 | <@RobinStamer> | How are the Ruby and/or Lua ones? |
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| 02:22 | <@celticminstrel> | Whyyy do some websites go crazy if you don't have cookies enabled. |
| 02:22 | <@celticminstrel> | By which I mean they refuse to even load. |
| 02:22 | <&Derakon> | I could see redirecting you to some "entry" page if there's no cookie, so they can establish a new session. |
| 02:23 | <@celticminstrel> | If they did that, at least I'd see the "entry" page. :/ |
| 02:23 | <@celticminstrel> | At least, I think I would. |
| 02:24 | <@celticminstrel> | In any case, they should be able to respond reasonably if the cookie is not accepted. |
| 02:25 | <@celticminstrel> | "Reasonably" usually means "showing you the stuff anyway", not "showing you a notice saying that you need to have cookies enabled to view the site" when it's a lie. |
| 02:25 | <@celticminstrel> | ie when no login is required to view the site. |
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| 02:26 | <&Derakon> | Well, there's a difference between needing you to login and wanting to track you from one page to the next. |
| 02:26 | <&Derakon> | But I agree that the site should fail more gracefully. |
| 02:27 | <@RobinStamer> | celticminstrel: Because, like all proper bussiness oriented programmers, one must internalize one truth. Users beg to be hated, to be spited, denied even the smallest sliver of sanity. To do anything other than that is the highest form of cruelty. |
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| 02:29 | <@celticminstrel> | The site that triggered this could not even be viewed via Google cache. |
| 02:33 | | * celticminstrel wonders whether Azash will appear again today. |
| 02:40 | <@RobinStamer> | http://i.imgur.com/V5vHUBf.png |
| 02:43 | <@celticminstrel> | ..... |
| 02:45 | <~Vornicus> | RobinStamer: that's terrible |
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| 08:09 | < Nemu> | Well, that's not cool. Got a new netbook. Went to boot from USB, no option for that in the BIOS |
| 08:10 | < Nemu> | There's no option for anything other than HDD |
| 08:11 | <~Vornicus> | no fun. |
| 08:11 | < Nemu> | Yeah. I got it sort of working, now. It lets you boot from the E-SATA drive, but only if you mash ESC to override the default boot order |
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| 12:28 | < Syk> | I forgot who it was |
| 12:28 | < Syk> | that had a Dell XPS 12 |
| 12:28 | < Syk> | and EFI problems |
| 12:28 | < Syk> | but have a look at this http://www.linuxnewshere.com/index.php/linux-foundation-secure-boot-system-relea sed |
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| 16:40 | <@RobinStamer> | syksleep: thanks |
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| 19:02 | < ErikMesoy> | What should I read on Label vs. Value of a text field? (specifically, wx.TextCtrl) They seem to be functioning identically at the moment, but the docs are poor |
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| 19:15 | <&ToxicFrog> | Without looking at the docs, I would have assumed that "label" is, well, a label automatically placed outside the field, and Value is the contents. |
| 19:15 | <&Derakon> | IIRC, Label is a more generic property for controls in general, while Value is always the user-input value. |
| 19:15 | <&Derakon> | I can't recall if TextCtrls can have separate attached labels or if you have to do that manually. |
| 19:20 | < ErikMesoy> | Right now I'm calling the same wx.TextCtrl in separate functions with SetValue("foo") and SetValue("bar") tied to different buttons. They appear to be operating on the same thing. |
| 19:21 | < ErikMesoy> | Either button will replace the text shown. |
| 19:21 | < ErikMesoy> | err, SetLabel("bar") |
| 19:22 | < ErikMesoy> | Both leave it user-editable after setting it. |
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| 21:30 | <@Azash> | celticminstrel: There you are~ |
| 21:30 | <@Azash> | My suggestion was just having a basic user system to allow for persistent sessions |
| 21:32 | <@celticminstrel> | Like a way to save your progress? |
| 21:33 | < ErikMesoy> | Oh, THAT'S why it wasn't working. I had the button, and I had the method, and I had the correct parameters, and I'd forgotten to associate the button with the method. |
| 21:34 | <@Azash> | Yeah |
| 21:34 | < ErikMesoy> | celticminstrel: still rogueliking? |
| 21:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah, unfortunately. |
| 21:34 | <@celticminstrel> | (Unfortunate because it's being done in place of homework. >_> ) |
| 21:34 | < ErikMesoy> | Curse homework |
| 21:34 | | * Azash pats; knows the feeling |
| 21:35 | < ErikMesoy> | Rent others to do homework for you :p |
| 21:35 | <@celticminstrel> | So the reason I don't yet have saving is because I couldn't simply save JSON to local storage. |
| 21:35 | <@celticminstrel> | Which in turn is because of functions. |
| 21:36 | <@celticminstrel> | Functions are not JSON-able, so what I have to do (and have been working on a bit already) is eliminate any dynamic assignment of functions. |
| 21:36 | <@celticminstrel> | If possible, anyway. |
| 21:37 | <@Azash> | Ah |
| 21:37 | <@Azash> | Hmhmhm |
| 21:37 | <@celticminstrel> | I've dealt with the ones on items, and AI is probably the next to examine. I may not be able to eliminate those though. |
| 21:37 | <@celticminstrel> | (There's also a self-referential structure that JSON cannot handle, but I think that would be relatively simple to deal with.) |
| 21:38 | | * Azash nods |
| 21:38 | | * ErikMesoy evades the problem of Value vs. Label in his text area by instead using AppendText() and Clear(), so that he doesn't have to know which is which. :D |
| 21:38 | <@Azash> | Glad to see my idea was already thought of :P |
| 21:38 | <@Azash> | ErikMesoy: With no idea about context, I'd imagine label is the ID and value is the, well, value associated with it |
| 21:38 | < ErikMesoy> | celticminstrel: can you go via intermediate variables? |
| 21:38 | <@celticminstrel> | I would've done it much earlier if I hadn't already had these function issues. :P |
| 21:38 | <@celticminstrel> | ErikMesoy: Hm? |
| 21:39 | < ErikMesoy> | Azash: the funny thing is, Value and Label appear to edit the *same thing* in wx.TextCtrl |
| 21:39 | < ErikMesoy> | celticminstrel: use dynamic assignment of some kind of "key" instead of functions |
| 21:39 | < ErikMesoy> | use lookup table of keys to functions |
| 21:39 | <@celticminstrel> | Ah. |
| 21:39 | <@celticminstrel> | That could almost solve it. |
| 21:40 | <@celticminstrel> | However some of the AIs rely on closures. |
| 21:40 | <@celticminstrel> | Like the confused AI. |
| 21:40 | <@celticminstrel> | It might be easy to get around that; not sure. |
| 21:40 | | * Azash rolls into bed |
| 21:40 | <@Azash> | Oh and celtic |
| 21:41 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah? |
| 21:41 | <@Azash> | If you want you can get a user on my box for IRC and so |
| 21:41 | < ErikMesoy> | closures are where the function comes with some local variables, right? |
| 21:41 | <@celticminstrel> | ? |
| 21:41 | <@celticminstrel> | ErikMesoy: Yes. |
| 21:41 | <@celticminstrel> | Local variables from the enclosing scope. |
| 21:41 | < ErikMesoy> | Use an array? |
| 21:42 | <@celticminstrel> | Depends on how I used the closure... let me check quickly... |
| 21:42 | < ErikMesoy> | Instead of assigning a function, assign an array; the first element in the array is a key for the lookup table, the rest of the array is local variables for use by the function |
| 21:42 | < ErikMesoy> | Then pass the array around and get/put stuff in it |
| 21:42 | < ErikMesoy> | (This is starting to sound like a kludge >_>) |
| 21:42 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh, the only thing needed from the closure is the AI to revert back to when the confusion wears off. |
| 21:42 | <@celticminstrel> | Azash: I'm not sure what you meant there. |
| 21:44 | <@celticminstrel> | What I have is a function that returns the function to be used as the AI. |
| 21:44 | <@celticminstrel> | And the closure is just the parameters to that outer function. |
| 21:45 | <@celticminstrel> | The enlightened AI requires a few more things to be saved. (Enlightened means they can cast low-level spells for a short time.) |
| 21:46 | <@celticminstrel> | The only other one is distracted, which is almost the same as confused. |
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| 21:47 | <@celticminstrel> | And apart from these status effects, the only time AI is changed is when a missile monster runs out of missiles. |
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| 21:48 | <@celticminstrel> | Hm, I suppose the array idea would work... |
| 21:50 | <~Vornicus> | When you say "the AI is changed" what do you mean? |
| 21:50 | <@celticminstrel> | I mean the function called for the creature to take a turn is replaced with a different function. |
| 21:52 | <@celticminstrel> | ie, "this.takeTurn = newAI" |
| 21:52 | <@celticminstrel> | Well, not necessarily "this", but anyway. |
| 21:54 | <~Vornicus> | aha |
| 21:54 | <@celticminstrel> | This makes saving into JSON a nontrivial task. |
| 21:54 | <~Vornicus> | Idunno, seems weird to me; if an archer enemy walks over his own arrows he should start shooting again? |
| 21:55 | <~Vornicus> | celmin: then make an object full of AI functions and just name the AI he's got |
| 21:56 | <@celticminstrel> | That's true. However, no monsters currently pick up items. And yes, I was going to do something along those lines, just as soon as I decide how to deal with the AIs that need to save certain data to be restored when the status effect wears off. |
| 22:20 | < ErikMesoy> | clearly the archer enemy is firing returning arrows |
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| 22:22 | <@celticminstrel> | Heh, nah. |
| 22:23 | <@celticminstrel> | Actually there are no archers. |
| 22:23 | <@celticminstrel> | Only thrown weapons like darts and rocks and shuriken and stuff. |
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