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| 05:19 | < McM|travails> | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2831#comic |
| 05:19 | < McM|travails> | Be sure to also read the hover text on the red button |
| 05:21 | <@Tamber> | hee |
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| 06:27 | <&jerith> | McM|travails: So, I'm watching someone learn OpenGL elsenet. It's eerily similar to watching you do it. |
| 06:28 | <&jerith> | I linked him to ARGLE so he wouldn't have to write it himself. ^.^ |
| 06:31 | < McM|travails> | Thank you |
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| 07:16 | <@froztbyte> | this is the channel that I've invited McMartin to but that he hasn't wanted to join ;D |
| 07:17 | <&jerith> | froztbyte: I don't think he's bitter and cynical enough for that channel, actually. |
| 07:17 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
| 07:18 | <&jerith> | (Seriously. When *I'm* one of the most cheerful and optimistic people in there...) |
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| 15:00 | | * iospace huhs at this |
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| 15:26 | <@iospace> | huh... |
| 15:38 | <@Azash> | Huh? |
| 15:41 | <@iospace> | board is being weird |
| 16:35 | <@Azash> | How so? |
| 16:58 | <@iospace> | write protect isn't enabling properly it seems |
| 17:10 | < Xon> | iospace, write protect is a poorly respected suggestion when the hardware is wonky, right? |
| 17:18 | <@iospace> | Xon: it was a hardware issue |
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| 19:51 | < mac> | -_- are mac servers any good? |
| 19:51 | < mac> | like a mac mini |
| 19:51 | < mac> | just for a mysql database |
| 19:51 | <@Tamber> | Probably. |
| 19:52 | <@Tamber> | It *should* be able to handle that. (I have no experience with 'em either way, but some people use them without too many problems.) |
| 20:19 | < mac> | As far as applications go, Would a compiled application be better for database work when it comes to doing sale order type stuff? , IE. I get an e-mails with all the info i need to make the product. |
| 20:21 | <~Vornicus> | "would a compiled application be better" than what? |
| 20:22 | < mac> | web based application |
| 20:22 | <~Vornicus> | either way your bottleneck is db io |
| 20:25 | < mac> | ture. |
| 20:26 | <~Vornicus> | The real questions are ones of distribution and security. |
| 20:26 | < mac> | thats more of what i was getting at |
| 20:26 | < mac> | what is more secure |
| 20:26 | < mac> | the sever would be on an intranet, |
| 20:26 | < mac> | so I'm not too worried about security, |
| 20:27 | < mac> | mostly sales orders and sql has encryption. So... |
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| 20:32 | <~Vornicus> | So it doesn't really matter, then. |
| 20:32 | <~Vornicus> | Just make damn sure your database cannot possibly be touched from the outside world. |
| 20:33 | <~Vornicus> | It might be easier if you use a webapp, as far as distribution goes. You point the link at the updated version of the software and you win. |
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| 20:53 | < Rhamphoryncus_> | mac: certain languages, both compiled and interpreted, are notorious for security wholes though. Namely C and PHP |
| 20:55 | <~Vornicus> | It is generally a better idea to use a language that's less vulnerable to that sort of misbehavior - Python and Java both have no such thing as buffer overflows and their SQL systems are less vulnerable to injection. |
| 20:57 | < Rhamphoryncus_> | SQL itself is notorious as well, but only through misuse of the APIs. Directly passing strings into your queries rather than using the built-in way of supplying arguments |
| 21:00 | < Xon> | largely because PHP is almost insecure by default, and has a ton of a really bad tutorialls recommended utterly insecure practices |
| 21:01 | < Xon> | most of the truely inexcusable problems with PHP have been slowerly ironed out (mostly, if you look at it right with the correct .ini settings and compiler settings) |
| 21:01 | < Xon> | but the default MySQL access tools are fucking horrible and should never ever be used |
| 21:02 | <@Tamber> | "most of the truely inexcusable problems with PHP have been replaced with new inexcusable problems" |
| 21:03 | < ErikMesoy> | phphammer.jpg |
| 21:03 | < Xon> | Tamber, configuration options which change parsing rules! |
| 21:03 | < Xon> | whyyyyyy |
| 21:03 | <@Tamber> | Plus, just when you think you've got your code secure, PHP goes and does something completely and utterly batshit insane which punches holes in everything. |
| 21:04 | < Xon> | heh |
| 21:04 | < Xon> | did you know the $this variable will not work outside member functions *at all* ? |
| 21:05 | <@Tamber> | I did not; however, it doesn't surprise me. |
| 21:05 | < Xon> | had to fix some broken legecy code of a customers who was being moved to a new server with a 'modern' version of php |
| 21:06 | < Xon> | referencing $this was causing it to explode |
| 21:06 | < Xon> | that and the arbitary changed session handling |
| 21:12 | <@celticminstrel> | Security wholes? :P |
| 21:13 | <@celticminstrel> | Does that make them Swiss cheese? |
| 21:23 | < mac> | so if i shouldn't use php to dynamically create pages, what should i use? |
| 21:23 | < mac> | Rails? |
| 21:25 | < Xon> | depends, how much ram do you have to piss away? |
| 21:26 | <~Vornicus> | Whetever framework matches your language etc |
| 21:26 | < Xon> | php can be used sucessfully, but it's not easy learning which tools are the correct ones to use. especially when hosting compiler options can change a safe set to a wide open security hole |
| 21:27 | <@Tamber> | I disagree; PHP is actively malicious. |
| 21:27 | <~Vornicus> | You can use python with django or pylons, or java with... whatever the hell you use for that. |
| 21:27 | <~Vornicus> | or ruby with rails or something more lightweight, or |
| 21:28 | <@Tamber> | After all, inverting the logic on display_errors, in one function only, because "it leaks sensitive info if you have display_errors on (which is the default)" |
| 21:28 | < Xon> | Tamber, I'ld agree with you. but on a well defined platform which doesn't change much it is posible to nail it down so you get something that you want in a general way which isn't completely batshit insane |
| 21:29 | < Xon> | but I need to crash since it is now 5:30am for me, and it's getting hard to type without making a complete hash out of my writing |
| 21:31 | <~Vornicus> | It is shockingly easy to come up with groaners in php. |
| 21:34 | < Rhamphoryncus_> | Programming in PHP is kind of like working in customer service: all those brain cells dedicated to handling stupid shit rather than getting things done |
| 21:36 | <@Tamber> | Also, "well defined platform", PHP?! |
| 21:37 | <@Tamber> | The only definition you have for PHP is "What the interpreter dribbles today" |
| 21:37 | < ErikMesoy> | PHP: A toolbox full of tools that are not quite the tools you want or need. Like a double-clawed hammer. http://www.flickr.com/photos/raindrift/7095238893/in/set-72157629492908038/ |
| 21:37 | <@Tamber> | (With a great big side-helping of "depending on the phase of the moon, how many configuration files you have, and whether or not you pull faces at it.") |
| 21:38 | <@Tamber> | (Why, no, I don't like PHP very much~) |
| 21:40 | <~Vornicus> | I don't think anyone likes php very much |
| 21:49 | | * ErikMesoy mutters at wxPython instructions sometimes using the argument (wx.ID_ANY) and sometimes (id=wx.ID_ANY) for no visible reason |
| 21:58 | <@froztbyte> | <Rhamphoryncus_> Programming in PHP is kind of like working in customer service: all those brain cells dedicated to handling stupid shit rather than getting things done |
| 21:58 | <@froztbyte> | which is also what makes it goddamned impossible to reason with a PHP person |
| 21:58 | <@froztbyte> | "but I've already spent all the time learning all these knobs. I know them now. so it's totally not a problem!" |
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| 22:14 | < ErikMesoy> | I AM MAKIN GPROGRESS ON MY GAME *zonk* |
| 22:14 | < ErikMesoy> | why is it that all my insights come late in the evening? |
| 22:14 | <~Vornicus> | idunno. for a long time my most productive hour of the day was between 2:30 and 3:30 am |
| 22:15 | < ErikMesoy> | I figure out how to do something just as it would start to take annoyingly long to implement it properly |
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