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| 00:17 | <@celticminstrel> | That makes no sense. |
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| 01:35 | <@iospace> | celticminstrel: ? |
| 01:36 | <&McMartin> | Hooray for entertaining internal codenames |
| 01:36 | <&McMartin> | "mft revisions X1 and X2 to fix bug #Y in space" |
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| 07:12 | < Thalass> | I think i need to set up some kind of regular syncronising between the KSP folder on my computer, and the KSP folder on Mel's. My space station is quite a bit more advanced in its construction on Mel's computer, and i don't really want to re-launch the parts on this one. |
| 07:14 | < Thalass> | Though is that possible between a linux and windows machine? |
| 07:28 | <@froztbyte> | http://news.dot-nxt.com/2012/12/14/internet-humbles-un-telecoms-a |
| 07:33 | < Thalass> | I am sad that Australia didn't man up/ woman up and reject it, too. Far too much love for censorship and such over here |
| 07:38 | < Syk> | well that's because we've got fucking Stephen Cuntroy as our minister for communications |
| 07:38 | < Syk> | the Lord Chancellor of Censorship |
| 07:39 | | * Thalass snerk |
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| 11:51 | < VirusJTG> | day.start(Friday); |
| 11:52 | <@Tamber> | ...oh, right, it's Friday. |
| 11:52 | < VirusJTG> | \0/ |
| 11:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Theoretically |
| 11:53 | | * VirusJTG offers Tamber tea and scones |
| 11:53 | <@Tamber> | :) |
| 11:53 | | * VirusJTG offers the same to TW |
| 11:54 | <@TheWatcher> | Already up to the third mug of tea, doesn't seem to be helping |
| 11:54 | <@TheWatcher> | Body still thinks it should be asleep |
| 11:55 | <@Tarinaky> | thalass: Why wouldn't it be possible? You could add a git repo and push to a third machine. |
| 12:00 | | * Tamber chuckles at a Rasmus quote. |
| 12:01 | <@Tamber> | <<I'm not a real programmer. I throw together things until it works then I move on. The real programmers will say "Yeah it works but you're leaking memory everywhere. Perhaps we should fix that." I'll just restart Apache every 10 requests.>> This would probably explain a few things. |
| 12:01 | <@TheWatcher> | ... |
| 12:01 | <@Azash> | The most mind-boggling thing is that he's still a very competent security guy |
| 12:02 | <@Tarinaky> | Well. I guess if you only have to serve 10 apache requests it's not that bad. |
| 12:02 | <@Namegduf> | I dunno if someone single-handedly responsible for causing terrible website security across the entire Internet gets to be called a competent security guy. |
| 12:03 | <@Namegduf> | I mean he's personally probably been causally related to more successful exploits than almost any other person. |
| 12:04 | <@Azash> | That's why the word "mind-boggling" is in what I said |
| 12:04 | | * Tamber blinkblinkblinks |
| 12:05 | <@TheWatcher> | Competent compared to whom? |
| 12:05 | <@Tamber> | https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/ext/iconv/iconv.c#L482 I don't even. |
| 12:05 | <@TheWatcher> | The average undergrad? |
| 12:05 | <@Tamber> | (Yes, I'm bumbling through /r/lolphp.) |
| 12:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Perhaps a used teabag? |
| 12:06 | <@Azash> | TheWatcher: Wasn't it some tech show where he had found an exploit in every project presented there? |
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| 12:08 | < Xon> | Tamber, I find it amusing that the php sort function can unsort stuff given the utterly broken comparison operators |
| 12:08 | <@Tamber> | Sounds about right for PHP. |
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| 12:56 | < thalass> | Tarinaky: Git repos are possibly a bit beyond me. But we'll see. My son has corrupted one usb stick today while i was copying data from the windows machine. At least i should set up a samba share or something |
| 13:00 | <@Tarinaky> | TL;DR - you can transfer files over ssh. |
| 13:03 | < thalass> | Well, true. |
| 13:07 | < Syk> | the best bit about writing proprietary software |
| 13:07 | < Syk> | is that nobody else sees how bad your code is |
| 13:23 | < thalass> | heh |
| 13:23 | | * TheWatcher is not over here twitching at that, nope |
| 13:27 | < Syk> | TheWatcher: :D |
| 13:27 | < Syk> | when I am learning a language |
| 13:27 | < Syk> | I never GPL anything inside of it, ever |
| 13:27 | < Syk> | anything inside of the first few weeks* |
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| 14:16 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: do you more tend to GPF things inside it? |
| 14:17 | < Syk> | ?? |
| 14:18 | <@gnolam> | Heh |
| 14:22 | <@froztbyte> | at least someone got it :D |
| 14:23 | < Syk> | whut does gpf mean :< |
| 14:24 | <@froztbyte> | General Protection Fault |
| 14:24 | <@froztbyte> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_protection_fault |
| 14:27 | < Syk> | i am so confused :( |
| 14:27 | < Syk> | i need more coffee |
| 14:28 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
| 14:29 | <@froztbyte> | <Syk> when I am learning a language |
| 14:29 | <@froztbyte> | <Syk> I never GPL anything inside of it, ever |
| 14:29 | <@froztbyte> | pun ALL the things! |
| 14:31 | <@gnolam> | General Protection Fault and Colonel Panic - proof that you shouldn't let the military near computers. |
| 14:35 | < Syk> | heh |
| 14:35 | < Syk> | oh and |
| 14:35 | <@Azash> | Lol gnolam |
| 14:35 | < Syk> | you know how thick people spread nutella? |
| 14:35 | < Syk> | well, i'm eating a vegemite sandwich with it spread that thick |
| 14:35 | <@Azash> | You mean how thickly it's spread, or the method in which thick people spread it? |
| 14:36 | <@froztbyte> | what Azash said |
| 14:36 | < Syk> | thickly |
| 14:36 | <@TheWatcher> | Also, eww vegemite |
| 14:36 | | * TheWatcher drops a jar of marmite on Syk |
| 14:36 | | * Syk noms it |
| 14:38 | < Syk> | :D |
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| 15:01 | <@iospace> | Syk: you're Syk |
| 15:01 | <@iospace> | :P |
| 15:01 | < Syk> | iospace: yes |
| 15:01 | < Syk> | i am |
| 15:02 | < Syk> | what about it |
| 15:02 | | * iospace takes Syk to a doctor |
| 15:02 | < Syk> | also someone's trying to reset my fucking reddit password |
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| 15:02 | < Syk> | dear dickfuck: this is my username :| |
| 15:02 | <@iospace> | i get emails about that from wikipedia all the time :P |
| 15:02 | <@iospace> | then again... i may be an admin |
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| 15:12 | < RichyB> | Personally, I'm with Syk on this one. |
| 15:12 | < RichyB> | GPLing crap code isn't really worthwhile. |
| 15:13 | < RichyB> | Easier to 3-clause BSD it! ;) |
| 15:14 | < Syk> | RichyB: so then the shittiness can live on, copypasted into proprietary internal corporate projects? |
| 15:16 | < RichyB> | I think that that's suitable punishment to inflict upon people for the crime of swallowing BSD-licensed code and never sending improvements upstream. |
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| 15:40 | <@Namegduf> | The crime of doing the single specific act that BSD is distinguished from other licences by authorising? |
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| 15:46 | < Syk> | snrk |
| 15:47 | <&jerith> | Namegduf: BSD makes it the polite thing to do, not the mandatory thing to do. |
| 15:48 | < Syk> | well... GPL doesn't make it mandatory either |
| 15:48 | < Syk> | you just have to release the source with binaries |
| 15:48 | <@Namegduf> | jerith: I think it's kinda bullshit to expect other people to figure out how sincere your grant of permission for them to do something was when you're giving said grant of permission as a legal document. "I'm giving you a legal document that explicitly authorises you to do these things! But I'm going to make frowny faces at you if you do." |
| 15:48 | <&jerith> | Quite. |
| 15:48 | < Syk> | and if you're only using it for an internal project... |
| 15:49 | <@Namegduf> | "I'm going to tell you you can but then be upset if you do" is annoying enough at the personal level. |
| 15:49 | < Syk> | man, I don't want to KNOW the licence fuckery for some internal projects |
| 15:49 | <&jerith> | Namegduf: I'm not allowed to be upset if you take my BSD code and use it in some proprietary system. |
| 15:50 | < Syk> | GPL lib + BSD lib + random boilerplate code from c++tutorials.com.whatever + bunch of MS libs |
| 15:50 | <@Namegduf> | No, because you explicitly chose to say "Yes, you absolutely can take my code and use it in some proprietary system!" |
| 15:50 | <&jerith> | I am allowed to ask you to contribute to my project rather than fork, though. |
| 15:53 | <@Namegduf> | That seems reasonable. |
| 15:53 | <&jerith> | Namegduf: Anyway, contributing upstream is generally more sensible than maintaining your own patches. |
| 15:53 | < Syk> | unless your name is, for example, Oracle Corporation |
| 15:54 | <@Namegduf> | It is, not least because maintaining them with upstream changes is no longer your problem |
| 15:54 | <@Namegduf> | It's less of anyone's problem, really |
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| 16:20 | <&jerith> | Namegduf: Except landing patches is hard. |
| 16:20 | <@Namegduf> | There's upfront work, yeah. |
| 16:21 | <&jerith> | For example, I'll ask for tests and suitable code formatting before anything else. |
| 16:22 | < Syk> | "SUBMIT A PATCH TO ME WITH SPACE INDENTING AND I WILL RIP OUT YOUR LUNGS" is basically the first rule of submitting any patches to me |
| 16:22 | < Syk> | I have no submitted patches, but I have two lungs under my bed! :D |
| 16:23 | <@Namegduf> | For some, it is also the last true of submitting patches. |
| 16:23 | <@Namegduf> | And their life. |
| 16:23 | <@Namegduf> | *last rule |
| 16:23 | <@TheWatcher> | jerith: I'd say neither of those are remotely unreasonable |
| 16:24 | <&jerith> | TheWatcher: Yes, but they're nontrivial barriers. |
| 16:24 | <&jerith> | The *real* barrier is that I'm not going to commit crap code. |
| 16:29 | <@TheWatcher> | I maintain a few patches for mediawiki that I don't bother even trying to get included, because I really don't expect them to be used (for example, one is a patch to Linker::userLink that adds gravatar icons and a group list popup to user links, another lets you filter contributions and recent changes by group) |
| 16:29 | < Syk> | the gravatar icons could be cool |
| 16:29 | < Syk> | probably wouldnt be accepted in mainline |
| 16:30 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah |
| 16:30 | <@TheWatcher> | Hence why I don't bother trying, really |
| 16:31 | <@celticminstrel> | It can't be done as a plugin or something? |
| 16:31 | < Syk> | ok so |
| 16:31 | < Syk> | i need to buy a new router |
| 16:32 | < Syk> | ideas> |
| 16:32 | < Syk> | ?* |
| 16:32 | <&jerith> | Syk: All the consumer-grade routers are crap. |
| 16:32 | <&jerith> | froztbyte: This is your area of expertise. |
| 16:32 | <@celticminstrel> | I guess this includes my LinkSys... |
| 16:33 | <@celticminstrel> | It does seem to occasionally die for no discernible reason... |
| 16:33 | <&jerith> | Especially Linksys. |
| 16:33 | <@celticminstrel> | Hah. |
| 16:33 | <@TheWatcher> | celticminstrel: not to the best of my knowledge - there don't appear to be any appropriate hooks for changing the behaviour of userLink |
| 16:33 | <@celticminstrel> | I see. |
| 16:34 | < Syk> | fuck linksys |
| 16:34 | < Syk> | they die so quick up here |
| 16:34 | < Syk> | ALSO tempted to get a 3rd monitor that fits my res |
| 16:35 | <&jerith> | TheWatcher: Maybe a patch to add hooks would be accepted? |
| 16:35 | < Syk> | guys |
| 16:35 | < Syk> | who sucks the least |
| 16:35 | <@TheWatcher> | Hadn't thought of that. I shall look into it. |
| 16:36 | <@celticminstrel> | Now I wish I hadn't changed my mind about suggesting that. >_> |
| 16:36 | < Syk> | who sucks the least out of D-Link, Netgear and Netcomm |
| 16:36 | <&jerith> | The only router I've ever owned with an acceptable level of non-crap is my WRT54GL, and that's only because I run a real OS on it. |
| 16:36 | < Syk> | ASUS makes routers? hm |
| 16:36 | <&jerith> | Except it's ancient and needs replacing. |
| 16:37 | <&jerith> | froztbyte: You still need to sort my out with that whatever-it-is you're going to sort me out with. |
| 16:37 | < Syk> | http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200_1439&produc ts_id=21873 |
| 16:38 | < Syk> | does this one look overly sucky |
| 16:38 | | * Syk wishes she could take the Cisco 887 she's using now :< |
| 16:38 | <&jerith> | Why can't you? |
| 16:42 | <&jerith> | That router seems to talk about the right things, but then so do a bunch of crappy ones. |
| 16:42 | < Syk> | jerith: because it's owned by work |
| 16:42 | < Syk> | ex-work |
| 16:42 | < Syk> | and I don't think they would appreciate me taking a $900 router |
| 16:42 | <&jerith> | Ah. |
| 16:43 | < Syk> | eh, fuck it |
| 16:43 | < Syk> | it looks good |
| 16:43 | | * Syk gets |
| 16:43 | <&jerith> | I don't think it can be much worse than most of the others. |
| 16:43 | < Syk> | I would like to get a 3rd, matching monitor |
| 16:44 | < Syk> | but the monitor is $135 and the shipping is an extra $70 |
| 16:44 | < Syk> | :< no thanks |
| 16:45 | <&jerith> | Bleh. Down to half an hour battery left on this thing. |
| 16:45 | <&jerith> | So it's time to go do something that doesn't require electricity. |
| 16:53 | < Syk> | want to buy an xbawks controller for my windows box |
| 16:53 | < Syk> | there's a $30 wired one w/ headset jack, or a $55 wireless one (which apparently also has the jack) |
| 16:54 | < Syk> | it doesn't tell me what the wired cable's length is >:| |
| 17:08 | <@celticminstrel> | Is there any reason not to install Greasemonkey? |
| 17:13 | < Syk> | celticminstrel: Greasemonkey works now? |
| 17:14 | <@celticminstrel> | I have no idea. |
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