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| 01:58 | < Syk> | these 150MB Intel chipset drivers make me all sorts of happy inside |
| 01:58 | | * gnolam looks around for a Russian invasion. |
| 01:58 | < Syk> | and by happy I mean enraged because I dont even think the Linux kernel is that big and it has drivers for everything under the sun |
| 01:59 | < gnolam> | (I was assuming that that was some kind of codeword: "Intel drivers" and "happy" won't ever be mentioned together) |
| 02:00 | < Syk> | BRB morning tea |
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| 02:10 | <&McMartin> | I'mma guess they include half the gcc frontent |
| 02:17 | | * Derakon goes off on a tangent, realizes that the first Internet-enabled trees will form the EntNet network. |
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| 03:17 | <&McMartin> | Man |
| 03:17 | <&McMartin> | One disadvantage of using Frozen Synapse as coding music is that you want there to be a great big COMMIT button. |
| 03:19 | <~Vornicus> | I'd like a great big COMMIT button anyway |
| 03:25 | <&Derakon> | I don't remember Frozen Synapse having an especially memorable soundtrack... |
| 03:27 | <&McMartin> | This is an advantage for coding music |
| 03:28 | <&McMartin> | It's mostly contemplative electronica |
| 03:28 | < Syk> | is Frozen Synapse any good? |
| 03:28 | < Syk> | I have it, I think |
| 03:29 | <&McMartin> | You owe it to yourself to try it out some. |
| 03:29 | < Syk> | havn't got down to playing it though |
| 03:29 | <&McMartin> | I hit a difficulty wall in the single-player |
| 03:29 | < Syk> | i wish i had some time to play all these games |
| 03:29 | < Syk> | like Uplink |
| 03:29 | <&McMartin> | And the tutorial, last I checked, was actively misleading |
| 03:29 | < Syk> | i'd like to play uplink some more |
| 03:29 | <&McMartin> | Uplink is quality |
| 03:29 | < Syk> | and DEFCON |
| 03:29 | < Syk> | i need to learn to actually play DEFCON properly |
| 03:30 | <&McMartin> | Frozen Synapse is an RTS game where you submit 5 seconds of play at a time and can give commands to both sides and run sims of the results before you commit your moves. |
| 03:30 | < Syk> | http://reddrgn.net/tidbits/files/ibeatwopr.jpg |
| 03:30 | < Syk> | however |
| 03:30 | < Syk> | I did play against a guy, who, as a joke, named himself WOPR |
| 03:30 | <&McMartin> | So it has something of an X-COM feel, but instead of randomness it is deterministic results based on pixel-level distinguishers of timing, etc. |
| 03:30 | < Syk> | and I won :D |
| 03:30 | < Syk> | hmm |
| 03:31 | <&McMartin> | The tutorial doesn't tell you about giving the other units orders. |
| 03:31 | < Syk> | hmm |
| 03:31 | < Syk> | i might need to dl it tonight |
| 03:31 | <&McMartin> | Anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB_jczxh7bE is probably my favorite track from the OST. |
| 03:31 | < Syk> | since it's friday |
| 03:32 | < Syk> | and last work day \o/ |
| 03:32 | <&McMartin> | \o/ |
| 03:33 | < Syk> | next week is a training course |
| 03:33 | <&McMartin> | Particularly 1:15 through 2:00 or so |
| 03:33 | < Syk> | then i am a free syka |
| 03:33 | < Syk> | man this will be the first time i've not been in full time education or school since pre-primary |
| 03:34 | < Syk> | D: i won't know what to do with myselg |
| 03:36 | | * Syk solves it with python |
| 03:36 | <~Vornicus> | Frozne Synapse turned me off terribly with its Damn Liar of a tutorial |
| 03:40 | < Reiv> | The tutorial lied? |
| 03:40 | <~Vornicus> | Yeah |
| 03:40 | <~Vornicus> | THe tutorial gives you the impression that you already know what your opponents are going to do. |
| 03:41 | <~Vornicus> | THis is not only false but maliciously so: not only do you not know, but in your initial simulations the opponents are given no orders except what you give them. |
| 03:41 | <~Vornicus> | And it's not mentioned at all that you should be giving your opponents orders in the simulation. |
| 03:42 | < Reiv> | ... oh, yeah, I remember that |
| 03:42 | < Reiv> | You're right, it's awful. |
| 03:42 | <~Vornicus> | Or in fact that you even /can/ |
| 03:43 | < Reiv> | It got you up to Step 3 on training |
| 03:43 | < Reiv> | And then truncated prior to Step 4. |
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| 04:08 | < Syk> | ffffff |
| 04:09 | < Syk> | just realised that my coworker deployed like 3 laptops |
| 04:09 | < Syk> | with no wifi drivers |
| 04:09 | < Syk> | forgot to show her the softpaq manager in the rush |
| 04:29 | < iospace> | heh |
| 04:56 | < Syk> | http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i1blLrfT36cg6efAxRiGD8gZQDEA? docId=CNG.ee28c0fdd8290a529972ce7a15db18ac.851 |
| 04:56 | < Syk> | WHOO |
| 04:57 | < Syk> | THEY FINALLY KILLED IT |
| 05:30 | <~Vornicus> | yay |
| 05:53 | < Syk> | these power outages are annoying |
| 05:54 | < Syk> | the workbench UPS blew up a while ago |
| 05:54 | < Syk> | middle of windows updates |
| 05:54 | < Syk> | everything turns off! :D |
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| 06:37 | < Syk> | what the hell MS |
| 06:37 | < Syk> | why is Bing Desktop an 'important update' |
| 06:37 | < Syk> | why is it installing |
| 06:38 | < Syk> | why is it even available on /windows goddamn enterprise/ |
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| 07:11 | < Syk> | i should probably pack up my desk |
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| 08:08 | <&McMartin> | "I think I'm done with Flash, now. I've used it for about four years at this point, and gotten very comfortable with it - but I think I've gotten to the point where it's holding me back. It's time for a change!" |
| 08:08 | <&McMartin> | Terry Cavanagh |
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| 08:16 | < Syk> | wut |
| 08:17 | <&McMartin> | Author of VVVVVV and Super Hexagon, among many other smallish games. |
| 08:31 | < Syk> | oh that guy |
| 08:31 | < Syk> | vvvvv is pretty cool |
| 08:31 | < Syk> | hard as salted balls, but pretty cool |
| 08:32 | < Syk> | hometime lols |
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| 11:10 | < rms> | Syk: Long story short, users use the wrong version of Windows because there's a fucking billion of them, then MS has to support them as if they were using the right version. |
| 11:11 | < rms> | Moral of the story: don't be a penny-pinching bitch; release /one/ version of your shit. |
| 11:11 | < Syk> | heh |
| 11:12 | < Syk> | i think there needs to be two Windows versions |
| 11:13 | < Syk> | both the same goddamn price |
| 11:13 | < Syk> | that you can switch between |
| 11:13 | < rms> | Server, Workstation and Mobile (Phone, weak-tablets) |
| 11:13 | < rms> | Is what I'd limit myself too |
| 11:13 | < Syk> | home version, and enterprise version |
| 11:14 | < Syk> | home version doesn't have any of the enterprise shit in the menus |
| 11:14 | < Syk> | and enterprise version doesn't have any of the home stuff |
| 11:14 | < Syk> | eg. no goddamn Libraries in W7 Ent |
| 11:14 | < Syk> | + Server, too |
| 11:15 | < Syk> | Windows Mobile can go suck it |
| 11:42 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 11:47 | < Syk> | https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r_UzOUHP2Ns/UJzEKfWJpCI/AAAAAAAAAZ0/8j9NLJxNd G8/s876/2012+-+1 |
| 11:47 | < Syk> | ^ an example of Android 4.2's new Photosphere function |
| 11:47 | < Syk> | except on a 2D plane rather than in the street view esque setting |
| 11:49 | <@TheWatcher> | Shiny |
| 11:49 | < Syk> | mhm |
| 11:49 | < Syk> | thats only like |
| 11:49 | < Syk> | 180 deg tho |
| 11:49 | < Syk> | the most annoying thing is that as its on the gnex |
| 11:49 | < Syk> | i dont think it's really configured right |
| 11:50 | < Syk> | since if there's anything close up it gets it /majorly/ wrong |
| 11:50 | < Syk> | and it's not perfect either |
| 11:50 | < Syk> | right in the middle there's a misblended curb |
| 11:51 | < Syk> | but still! it's rather neat, much better than the existing 4.1 panorama, which makes images that are 900px tall :| |
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| --- Log opened Fri Nov 09 12:35:06 2012 |
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| 13:17 | | * Pandemic bops a user up side the head for not reading an NDR and asking a stupid and obviously answered question |
| 13:19 | < rms> | NDR? |
| 13:20 | < Pandemic> | Non-Delivery Report |
| 13:20 | < Pandemic> | the error message you get when you try to send an email issue and there was some kind of transmission error |
| 13:20 | < Pandemic> | you know the message that tells you why it didn't work? |
| 13:22 | < rms> | Yeah |
| 13:22 | < rms> | There were like 3 different things NDR could've meant there... |
| 13:22 | < Pandemic> | this is true |
| 13:23 | < Pandemic> | interchanable acrynims in #code can be confusing |
| 13:23 | <@TheWatcher> | Virus: ... wait, you expect users to read something?! |
| 13:24 | < Pandemic> | yes TW, and they never disappoint my faith in their stupid by actually doing it... >.> |
| 13:29 | < Syk> | the best NDR is ones Outlook causes |
| 13:29 | < Syk> | there is a bug in 2010 that if you click on a mailto link, it will try to send to "mailto:email@host.com" |
| 13:29 | < Syk> | i actually think it might be a client making a misformed link |
| 13:29 | < Syk> | not sure |
| 13:30 | < Syk> | but regardless, Outlook wets the bed and tried to mail that host with the protocol of 'mailto' |
| 13:30 | < rms> | Sounds like SNAFU there. |
| 13:31 | < Syk> | as is working with Outlook |
| 13:34 | < rms> | A month or so I learned that Outlook does something horrible to its config files |
| 13:34 | < rms> | To the point where it completely fucks itself into non-operation if you do something as dastardly as try to use config files from another install. |
| 13:35 | < Syk> | rms: you should know better |
| 13:35 | < rms> | Because having to import all of those settings by hand is /so convenient/ |
| 13:35 | < Syk> | Outlook config files run on magic and whimsy |
| 13:35 | < rms> | I know, I thought MS might actually do sane things |
| 13:35 | < rms> | What a waste of 4 hours. |
| 13:35 | < Syk> | i like how Microsoft have |
| 13:35 | < Syk> | in uh, their thing |
| 13:35 | < Syk> | where you can rename computers |
| 13:35 | < Syk> | you can put a description |
| 13:35 | < rms> | I should've started with deleting all the fucking things as MS suggests (no fucking joke) |
| 13:36 | < Syk> | Microsoft officially suggest that you /don't enter a description/ |
| 13:36 | < rms> | What |
| 13:36 | < Syk> | because apparently it's more secure |
| 13:36 | < Syk> | because then you don't have servers going HEY I'M THE EMAIL SERVER or something |
| 13:37 | < Syk> | "I HOLD ALL THE JUICY DATAS :D" |
| 13:37 | <@Tamber> | Oh, so because mail.domain isn't described at "the mail server", it's more secure? :p |
| 13:37 | < Syk> | Tamber: well most PCs have SMB enabled |
| 13:37 | < rms> | You're doing DNS wrong D: |
| 13:37 | < Syk> | and we all know how secure SMB has been~ |
| 13:37 | <@Tamber> | Security through "If *we* can't remember what it does, how can an attacker?" |
| 13:38 | < Syk> | security through kind of shithouse obscurity |
| 13:38 | < Syk> | "svr-ex01" I WONDER WHAT THIS DOES |
| 13:38 | <@Tamber> | explodes. |
| 13:38 | < Syk> | "svr-dc02" OR THIS |
| 13:38 | <@Tamber> | Disconnects. :D |
| 13:38 | | * Syk makes a network |
| 13:39 | | * rms names computers based on where they are. Then connects to service-based DNS names as needed. |
| 13:39 | | * Syk makes 'corp-dc' the exchange server and 'corp-ex' the file server, with 'corp-sql' being email |
| 13:39 | <@Tamber> | haa |
| 13:39 | < Syk> | and by file server |
| 13:39 | < Syk> | i mean 'file and DC' |
| 13:39 | <&jerith> | Cache invalidation and naming things. |
| 13:39 | <&jerith> | Two hardest problems in computer science. |
| 13:40 | < Syk> | because we don't have enough budget to buy a reliable server to JUST be a DC |
| 13:40 | < Syk> | Server 08R2 licenses are expensive :( |
| 13:40 | <&jerith> | This is why everything should run Unix. |
| 13:40 | < rms> | ^ |
| 13:40 | <&jerith> | Well, a free Unix. |
| 13:40 | < rms> | ^^ |
| 13:41 | < Syk> | i honestly think that instead of buying microsoft licenses |
| 13:41 | | * Tamber balances OpenSolaris on jerith's head. |
| 13:41 | <&jerith> | You can spend that money on hardware. |
| 13:41 | < Syk> | you should just use a reliable Linux distro like RedHat or Debian or something |
| 13:41 | | * jerith stays very still. |
| 13:41 | < Syk> | and just hire another staff member with the excess funds |
| 13:41 | < Syk> | and then go 'here, you get to manage these servers' |
| 13:42 | < rms> | ... or if you're thinking of buying a bunch of WS licenses, you could spend that money on perks for employees... like a house each. |
| 13:42 | < Syk> | between not paying Server 08R2 licenses and not having to pay rediculous SQL server licenses |
| 13:42 | < Syk> | SQL Server is INSANE |
| 13:42 | < Syk> | we pay like |
| 13:42 | < Syk> | $5K/yr for Standard on one core |
| 13:42 | < Syk> | i think |
| 13:43 | < Syk> | other local governments pay like $50K for their SQL Server deployments /per year/ |
| 13:43 | < Syk> | because Microsoft do uh |
| 13:43 | < Syk> | Enterprise Agreements, they call them here |
| 13:43 | < Syk> | you pay 1/3 of the license cost every 3 years, and get 'free' upgrades |
| 13:44 | < Syk> | unless you buy in the 3rd year. |
| 13:44 | < Syk> | then you pay full cost, then have to pay 1/3 a year from thereon |
| 13:45 | < Syk> | AKA unplanned organsational requirements == payday for Microsoft |
| 13:45 | < rms> | https://twitter.com/mssqlsucks |
| 13:45 | < rms> | "Having to reference docs to find integer expression parameter every time I need to use CONVERT on a date. Which is easier '11' or 'YY/MM/DD' " <-- FAIL |
| 13:45 | <@himi> | People upgrade their MS software as soon as a new release is out? |
| 13:45 | < Syk> | and part of the contract is that you can't buy MS licenses anywhere else |
| 13:45 | < rms> | People usually skip a release. |
| 13:45 | < Syk> | no using OEM licenses. No buying Office off the shelf. |
| 13:45 | <@himi> | We only just moved from XP to Win7 |
| 13:45 | < rms> | Because MS is money grabbing ass-rapists. |
| 13:45 | < Syk> | someone has a deal on MS licenses? too bad, can't buy them. |
| 13:45 | < rms> | But people tend to forget that after 7 years. |
| 13:46 | < Syk> | oh and the BEST BIT? |
| 13:46 | < Syk> | Microsoft make it incredibly hard to /buy windows/ |
| 13:46 | < Syk> | try and buy a copy of windows, and they will make it near impossible. |
| 13:46 | < Syk> | you get a cookie if you can guess why |
| 13:46 | <@himi> | That's 'cause you don't buy it, you buy a computer |
| 13:46 | <&jerith> | Syk: Because they hate you and want you to suffer? |
| 13:46 | <@himi> | Not that they're allowed to enforce that, but it's still their whole business model |
| 13:47 | < Syk> | you can't use OEM licenses. |
| 13:47 | < Syk> | according to the contract |
| 13:47 | < Syk> | apparently |
| 13:47 | < Syk> | BUT they make it hard to buy windows |
| 13:47 | < Syk> | if you can, it's horrendously expensive |
| 13:47 | < rms> | " it took until 2008 to get a straightforward way to insert multiple rows " <-- WTF |
| 13:47 | < Syk> | the decently priced Windows licenses are all /upgrades to OEM versions/ |
| 13:48 | < Syk> | they're supporting the Channel by basically making you buy prebuilts |
| 13:48 | < Syk> | since the cost savings of building a bunch of workstations goes out the door when a Windows license for it is expensive as all hell |
| 13:49 | < Syk> | however, IIRC, this doesn't apply to servers, thank god |
| 13:49 | < Syk> | but you can only buy full versions |
| 13:50 | < Syk> | so if your server comes with a copy of Windows - no upgrades! |
| 13:50 | < Syk> | AKA Microsoft got a nice portion of double dipping into your server upgrade funds |
| 13:52 | < Syk> | "ISNULL doesn't return a boolean" |
| 13:52 | < Syk> | wtf what does it return then |
| 13:53 | <@Tamber> | The remains of the last person to ask that question. |
| 13:54 | < Syk> | bloody MS |
| 13:54 | | * Syk hugs her PostgreSQL. |
| 13:55 | < Syk> | "Don't miss Peter Meyers on Exploring #PowerPivot for #Excel & #PowerView in #SQL2012 Thursday 3 pm Rm 606-607 @ #sqlpass" |
| 13:55 | < Syk> | /what/ |
| 13:55 | <@Tamber> | "PowerPivot: Swivel on it, suckers." |
| 13:56 | < Syk> | "We know that Excel isn't a database. So we hooked it up to one for you! :D" |
| 13:56 | <@TheWatcher> | Correct and sensible data structure: 1 marks |
| 13:56 | < Syk> | "Your IT Departments can thank us later." |
| 13:56 | <@TheWatcher> | Blegh, rong key |
| 13:56 | <@TheWatcher> | wrong, too |
| 13:56 | <@TheWatcher> | (but that does mark 60% of my marking done!) |
| 13:57 | < Syk> | TheWatcher: since we're discussing MSSQL, that "1" should be changed to a "-2" |
| 13:57 | < Syk> | :P |
| 13:57 | <@TheWatcher> | Hah |
| 13:57 | < Syk> | >Microsoft Account login |
| 13:57 | < Syk> | >immediately logs me out, as my 'session has expired' |
| 13:58 | < Syk> | it seems I just stepped into a TIME HOLE right there |
| 13:58 | <@Tamber> | 200ms session timer. |
| 13:58 | <@Tamber> | Secure! |
| 13:59 | < Syk> | hmm |
| 13:59 | <&jerith> | Syk: You're in Oz. You live about half a day in the future. |
| 13:59 | < Syk> | WHOO |
| 13:59 | < Syk> | they finally did it |
| 13:59 | < Syk> | since i'm a ms certified it professional, they gave me a microsoft certified solutions associate |
| 13:59 | < Syk> | thingy |
| 14:00 | <&jerith> | What does a "microsoft certified solutions associate" do? |
| 14:00 | < Syk> | you see a solution that someone else has made |
| 14:00 | < Syk> | and you associate yourself with it |
| 14:00 | < Syk> | nah |
| 14:00 | < Syk> | it's a replacement for the MCITP |
| 14:01 | < Syk> | basically you're an expert on the platform |
| 14:01 | < Syk> | you're at the top of the tree for the platform anyway |
| 14:01 | < Syk> | as such, the MCITPs for Windows Server is like 3 or 4 exams |
| 14:02 | < Syk> | then there's the Solutions Architects and etc that are multi-platform |
| 14:02 | <&jerith> | Syk: And they gave you one of these people? :-P |
| 14:02 | < Syk> | eg. you need an MCITP in Server and Windows and probably SQL |
| 14:02 | < Syk> | yes, my new MCSA, i keep it in a cage and feed it powershell snippets |
| 14:02 | <&jerith> | Can you get him to do all the yucky bits of your job? |
| 14:03 | < Syk> | I don't think a Microsoft cert qualifies you for people who copy paste Visio documents into Powerpoint and wonder why it doesn't work well |
| 14:03 | < Syk> | aka - how I spent 30 minutes on Wednesday afternoon |
| 14:04 | <&jerith> | ;_; |
| 14:04 | | * jerith steals Syk away to Bangalore for the weekend to write an SMS frontend to Wikipedia in Python. |
| 14:04 | <@Tamber> | Syk, I think the only thing that qualifies you for that is an ice-pick in the ear. <.< |
| 14:05 | < Syk> | hoshit the MSCA is actually really shiny |
| 14:05 | < Syk> | i am sad as i will never have a certification with Bill Gates' signature on it ;v; |
| 14:05 | <&jerith> | High-albedo certification! |
| 14:06 | < Syk> | i also have the MCSA & MCITP wallet cards too |
| 14:07 | < Syk> | since i look like a derp in my drivers license so i'm not putting that in the clear part of my wallet |
| 14:12 | < Syk> | http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m03mhsi3dO1qm2gki.gif |
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| 14:33 | | * gnolam arghs at the Visual Studio 2008 uninstallation process. |
| 14:34 | < Syk> | gnolam: or as I like to call it, 'reinstalling Windows because it will never go away'? :P |
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| 15:10 | < iospace> | RichyB: ok, question |
| 15:10 | < iospace> | that heap sort you sent me, what's the O(n) for space? |
| 15:11 | < iospace> | because if it's not O(1) i can't use it |
| 15:11 | < RichyB> | Two bits. One pointer per linked list element. |
| 15:11 | < RichyB> | That's the malloc(len * sizeof(lle*)) in there. |
| 15:12 | < iospace> | yup, then no, not going to happen |
| 15:12 | < RichyB> | Other one is that it heap_sift_down calls itself recursively, so it takes O(log(n)) stack frames. |
| 15:12 | < RichyB> | but that's just because I didn't bother to convert it from a loop. |
| 15:12 | < RichyB> | er |
| 15:12 | < RichyB> | to a loop. |
| 15:12 | < iospace> | i was using an array prior, and to grow it properly i had to allocate a new pool, then copy the old array over, then clear the old array |
| 15:12 | < RichyB> | It only calls itself on one subtree, so it's actually tail-recursive and I could easily make it O(1) on the stack. |
| 15:13 | < iospace> | so unless it's o(1) in terms of space my boss isn't goign to like it >_> |
| 15:13 | < RichyB> | Prior to using a linked-list? |
| 15:14 | < iospace> | well, it's funny |
| 15:14 | < iospace> | i was using a linked list of a different implimentation prior, then switched to warrays |
| 15:14 | < iospace> | then to a different LL implimentation |
| 15:16 | | * iospace beats RichyB with the CR macro |
| 15:16 | < RichyB> | I don't know what advice to give you. |
| 15:16 | < RichyB> | The fact that you're using a doubly-linked list means that you have 2 pointers overhead per node anyway. |
| 15:17 | < RichyB> | (Compared to a single giant array) |
| 15:17 | < iospace> | heh |
| 15:17 | < iospace> | well my boss wants a linked list so :P |
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| 15:21 | <&jerith> | iospace: Look up the "rope" data structure. |
| 15:22 | < iospace> | heh |
| 15:22 | <&jerith> | Commonly used in editors. |
| 15:22 | < iospace> | well i'm using the EFI linked list implimentation |
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| 16:13 | < gnolam> | ARHJHG |
| 16:13 | < gnolam> | Y U NO RESPECT WORKING DIRECTORY |
| 16:14 | <@Tamber> | Dancing rodents, The Vornicus. :p |
| 16:15 | < iospace> | :P |
| 16:16 | < gnolam> | FFS |
| 16:16 | | * Vornicus beats syloq with some more sticks, and runs him over with the refactor tractor. |
| 16:16 | <@Tamber> | :D |
| 16:16 | < ErikMesoy> | ...the refactor tractor? |
| 16:17 | <@Tamber> | Syloq is now much simplified, and better-commented. Also, the braces match up! |
| 16:22 | < gnolam> | ErikMesoy: |
| 16:22 | < gnolam> | <jerith> The Refactor Tractor is the metaphorical tool used to haul blocks of code around while refactoring on a grand scale. |
| 16:22 | < gnolam> | <jerith> If you're hacking in fewer than four files simultaneously, you're not riding the refactor tractor. |
| 16:22 | < gnolam> | <jerith> I think the term was invented by a coworker of mine. |
| 16:22 | < gnolam> | <jerith> I grumbled about having to refactor a massive chunk of Java and he told me I was riding the refactor tractor. |
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| 16:23 | <@Tamber> | With my code, it's more like the refactor ride-on lawnmower. |
| 16:24 | < gnolam> | Seriously, what the hell Visual Studio 2012? |
| 16:24 | <@Tamber> | Then again, if I start getting into projects big enough to need a refactor tractor, I'm doomed. :) |
| 16:25 | < gnolam> | It's apparently just ignoring the working directory. |
| 16:27 | < Syk> | i rode the refactor tractor the other day |
| 16:27 | < Syk> | porting the backend for my support ticket db to be an actual Windows Service |
| 16:28 | < Syk> | ripped out the logging backend, made it go to the windows event log |
| 16:28 | < Syk> | forgot how much i logged |
| 16:28 | < Syk> | cue 8000 event log entries in four hours |
| 16:29 | < Syk> | also: fun is defined when you're rewriting code you wrote two years ago |
| 16:30 | < Syk> | the mix between "what the /hell/ was I thinking" and inefficient code is amazingf |
| 16:30 | < Syk> | i had a function that was passed the ticket number |
| 16:30 | <@Tamber> | And some "Wow, that's really clever. Stupid, but clever."? |
| 16:30 | < Syk> | it would loop through all the open tickets |
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| 16:31 | <@Syk> | checking if the open ticket number == the ticket number it was passed |
| 16:31 | <@Tamber> | *blink* |
| 16:31 | <@Syk> | then it went "CurrentTicketNumber = Tickets(a).TicketNumber" |
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| 16:31 | <@Syk> | i think either i am terrible |
| 16:32 | <@Syk> | or it was a really clever way of checking if it's been passed a ticket that exists |
| 16:32 | <@Syk> | as otherwise the currentticketnumber var would be 0 |
| 16:32 | <@Tamber> | ; /* # No comment */ |
| 16:32 | <@Syk> | Tamber: i wrote the code 2 years ago, i was friggin retarded then |
| 16:33 | <@Tamber> | Whaddy*shot, pre-emptively* |
| 16:33 | <&jerith> | If you don't WTF a lot at code you wrote years ago, you've ceased to grow and learn. |
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| 16:33 | <@Tamber> | And if you WTF at code you wrote last week, you've ceased to document things. |
| 16:34 | <@Syk> | i am wtfing at my static CMS backend now |
| 16:34 | <@Syk> | because requirements changed a bit |
| 16:34 | | * Tamber turns the WTFometer to a larger scale |
| 16:34 | <@Syk> | originally i was doing special pages by checking the page path |
| 16:35 | <@Syk> | which is, to say the least, utterly stupid |
| 16:35 | <@Syk> | so, i added modules |
| 16:36 | <@Syk> | eg. i can call in a fids board on any page via <!-- FIDS -->arrivals<!-- END FIDS --> |
| 16:36 | <&jerith> | You thing processes comments in HTML? |
| 16:36 | <&jerith> | That can be dangerous. |
| 16:37 | <@Syk> | it was a stopgap until i could come up with a better way |
| 16:37 | <@Syk> | as the module detection code is really nice and modular |
| 16:37 | <&jerith> | (I can see someone coming along with a tool that munges the HTML and strips them out or something.) |
| 16:37 | <@Syk> | BUT then i handed in my resignation |
| 16:37 | <@Syk> | jerith: it's a static CMS |
| 16:38 | <@Syk> | aka the page content is read, whole pages are saved, and then synced up to the remote site |
| 16:39 | <@Syk> | it actually works really well |
| 16:43 | <&jerith> | Nice. |
| 16:45 | <@Syk> | yeah |
| 16:45 | <@Syk> | i just wish i had more time to work on it. |
| 16:45 | <@Syk> | but they're hiring a new IT Manager |
| 16:46 | <@Syk> | who, i bet, will have Must Change Everything Syndrome |
| 16:46 | <@Syk> | chuck out my ticketing system, IO board, website, then go and buy new ones |
| 16:46 | <@Syk> | so that they are percieved as not useless because things changed |
| 16:54 | <@gnolam> | Aha. It's not actually ignoring the working directory. It's just ignoring it for the purpose of loading DLLs. :P |
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| 16:56 | <@RichyB> | gnolam: IIRC that is supposed to be considered a vulnerability, because you can invoke things in booby-trapped directories? |
| 16:57 | <@RichyB> | (loading DLLs out of ".", I mean) |
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| 17:28 | <@froztbyte> | http://asdf.us/vortex/ |
| 17:29 | <@Tamber> | Hee. |
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| 20:29 | <~Vornicus> | I find myself with a hard drive that I don't know what's on it nor even what format it's in. |
| 20:31 | <~Vornicus> | So I need a linux system that I can install on a USB disk and will be able to divine all these things |
| 20:31 | <~Vornicus> | I don't have a CD burner that makes non-coasters. |
| 20:32 | <@Tamber> | DSL on a USB drive, or something like that? |
| 20:34 | <~Vornicus> | that might do, let me see |
| 20:35 | <~Vornicus> | ...if I can figure out which one of these isos I want that'd be nice |
| 20:37 | <@Tamber> | DSL embedded ZIP. And there's a "Universal USB installer". |
| 20:38 | <~Vornicus> | aha, ok |
| 20:39 | <~Vornicus> | wait, the one with qemu? |
| 20:39 | | * Vornicus is confus |
| 20:40 | <@Tamber> | I'm just going off http://www.pendrivelinux.com/all-in-one-usb-dsl/ |
| 20:40 | <@Tamber> | ...oh |
| 20:40 | <@Tamber> | The universal installer is a separate download. |
| 20:40 | <@Tamber> | *facepalm* |
| 20:40 | <@Tamber> | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/downloads/Universal-USB-Installer/Universal-USB-Ins taller-1.9.1.5.exe |
| 20:41 | | * Tamber no read teh english gud. ?? |
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| 21:05 | <@iospace> | i love finding ways to clean up code ^_^ |
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| 22:16 | | * Vornicus pokes at the "SSHOCKCD" he found on one of his old hard drive. |
| 22:18 | <~Vornicus> | that doesn't appear to work as planned |
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| 22:33 | <~Vornicus> | This is a sadness |
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| 23:26 | <@iospace> | ok |
| 23:26 | <@iospace> | whoever decided that for UEFI that the tabs shall be 2 spaces and not 4 should be strung up -_- |
| 23:27 | | * Vornicus has always used 2-space tabs. |
| 23:29 | <@iospace> | in HS i was taught 3 space |
| 23:29 | <@iospace> | Python recommends 4 space |
| 23:29 | <@iospace> | UWP 4 space |
| 23:29 | <@iospace> | :P |
| 23:30 | <@Tamber> | I use actual tabs, then the editor can make them appear as however many spaces you want them to look like. But then, what do I know~? |
| 23:30 | <@iospace> | in other news! |
| 23:30 | <@iospace> | it seems for the most part, pending talking it over with my boss on monday and finishing up commenting, my test is completely written ^_^ |
| 23:31 | <@Tamber> | \o/ |
| 23:32 | <@iospace> | i dumped that stupid enum that i was using for one :3 |
| 23:44 | <@Tarinaky> | Decided to stay up with a friend while we finished assignments and stuff. |
| 23:44 | <@Tarinaky> | This was a mistake. I'm finished and too much coffee. |
| 23:45 | <@Tarinaky> | Mostly waiting for him to finish his assignment so we can get back to the Wire :/ |
| 23:46 | <@Tarinaky> | Anyway. This is the excuse I'm using for learning Erlang at quarter to midnight >.> |
| 23:51 | <@iospace> | home times |
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