| --- Log opened Mon Nov 05 00:00:47 2012 |
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| 02:12 | < Thalass> | augh |
| 02:13 | < Thalass> | My computer refuses to boot into the gui. When it gets to the login screen the display flickers and the tty login shows. :( |
| 02:15 | <&Derakon> | Maybe you're just getting switched away from the X vterm somehow? |
| 02:15 | <&Derakon> | I think it's something like ctrl-alt-shift-arrow to switch terminals; one of 'em ought to be the one running X. |
| 02:15 | < Thalass> | Yesterday everything was fine. Last night there was a storm while i was at work. Now this |
| 02:16 | < Thalass> | nope. pure cli. damnit |
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| 02:17 | <&Derakon> | Well, log in then do startx, I guess. |
| 02:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | ctrl-alt-F# switches TTYs. F1, F7 or F8 are usually X. |
| 02:18 | <&ToxicFrog> | Log files are in /var/log; your X server log is probably Xorg.0.log. That will probably tell you what went wrong. |
| 02:18 | <&ToxicFrog> | Or you can log in in text mode and run 'startx' and see what it says. |
| 02:19 | < Thalass> | ... |
| 02:19 | < rms> | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log # this might produce more useful results. |
| 02:20 | < Thalass> | nvidia: api mismatch. Kernel module is v304.48. Driver is v304.43 |
| 02:21 | < Thalass> | fatal server error. no screens found. |
| 02:22 | < Thalass> | There were updates yesterday. I guess nvidia drivers were in there. |
| 02:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | Looks like the other way around. Kernel got updated. Driver didn't. |
| 02:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | You're using the nV binary driver, aren't you? You may need to reinstall it. |
| 02:25 | < Thalass> | Ah. Yes the nvidia drivers. So i would need to apt-get reinstall whatever they are named. |
| 02:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | I think so, yeah. I've never used them. |
| 02:26 | < Thalass> | Is there a way to ask apt for a list of installed packages? |
| 02:27 | < rms> | IIRC that's one of the things you have to ask dpkg. |
| 02:27 | < Thalass> | ok |
| 02:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | You can search in general with 'apt-cache search whatever' but I don't know how to restrict that to installed packages |
| 02:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | 'aptitude' will give you a curses-based UI to the whole apt/dpkg system, that might have something |
| 02:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | 'apt-cache search nvidia' says you might want 'nvidia-experimental-304' |
| 02:29 | < Thalass> | ah thanks. |
| 02:34 | < Thalass> | Well today has started off as an educational one! |
| 02:34 | < Thalass> | thanks guys |
| 02:35 | < Thalass> | Woo i has a mouse! |
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| 02:37 | < thalass> | Alrighty |
| 02:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | Success? |
| 02:40 | < thalass> | yes! |
| 02:41 | < thalass> | removed nvidia-experimental304, and then installed it again. Version numbers match! |
| 02:44 | < thalass> | I think i'll celebrate by shooting some aliens |
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| 02:46 | < Syk> | that is how everything should be celebrated |
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| 11:37 | | * TheWatcher eyes $co-worker |
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| 11:42 | <@TheWatcher> | I wonder if his complete silence is down to haveing finally done what I told him to do, and logged wget's output to see why he might be getting partial data from my script... |
| 11:42 | <@TheWatcher> | *having |
| 11:44 | <@Tamber> | Presumably because he's not using it correctly? |
| 11:48 | <@TheWatcher> | Dunno, probably. My script builds its response in a buffer, and does print $cgi -> header(); ... print $buffer; print LOGFILE $buffer; and the contents of the logfiles generated are all 100% present and correct. Apache is reporting the same bytes sent for each request for the same data. Yet he was telling me that wget was saving files with no contents, or even more bizarrely the last 70% of the content (the first 30% being missing). |
| 11:48 | <@Tamber> | o.O |
| 11:48 | <@TheWatcher> | I suspect that wget has been failing either part or most of the way through, and then overwriting the partial data it has already transferred |
| 11:49 | <@TheWatcher> | but I couldn't say for certain because he wasn't logging his wget messages >.< |
| 11:49 | <@Tamber> | "Error messages /mean/ something?" |
| 11:50 | <@TheWatcher> | (Much as I detest Centos, I seriously doubt they'd include an apache binary so horribly broken that it loses chunks of response, but logs it as sending correctly) |
| 11:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Depressing thing is, this guy teaches UG software engineering and programming classes. |
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| 13:19 | < Syk> | guys question |
| 13:19 | < Syk> | if there's a book on Python3 |
| 13:19 | < Syk> | is it useful at all for python 2.7 |
| 13:19 | <@froztbyte> | nope |
| 13:20 | <@froztbyte> | because they completely changed a bunch of stuff for py3 |
| 13:20 | < Syk> | :( |
| 13:20 | <@froztbyte> | but py3 doesn't exist anyway |
| 13:20 | <@froztbyte> | so no worries! |
| 13:20 | < Syk> | LOL |
| 13:20 | < Syk> | well it seems like all of O'Reilly's stuff is py3 |
| 13:20 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: you're starting to get an idea of why the whole py3 thing is bad ;) |
| 13:20 | < Tarinaky> | I don't think you really need a book for Python anyway. |
| 13:20 | <@froztbyte> | because they fucked the /whole/ ecosystem up |
| 13:21 | < Syk> | so Python 3 is Actually Bad |
| 13:21 | < Syk> | or is it .NET-style "meh we'll get there eventually" |
| 13:22 | <@froztbyte> | nope |
| 13:22 | <@froztbyte> | they literally changed whole parts of the language and didn't fix other actual problems |
| 13:22 | <@froztbyte> | some problems they just swapped out |
| 13:22 | <&jerith> | So, Python 3 is probably a slightly better language than Python 2. |
| 13:23 | <@froztbyte> | as for learning: http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/python/ |
| 13:23 | <@froztbyte> | err, rather, http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/Python_en-Preface/ |
| 13:23 | <&jerith> | The problem is that it's not better enough to be worth the pain of rewriting all your code for it. |
| 13:24 | <@froztbyte> | jerith: the unicode / bytestring thing is probably an interesting example of it? |
| 13:24 | < Syk> | well, I'm starting from scratchs |
| 13:24 | <&jerith> | froztbyte: The text/bytes thing is probably the best change in Python 3. |
| 13:25 | < Syk> | so I have no porting really required |
| 13:25 | <@froztbyte> | yes, that's what I mean |
| 13:25 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: you do, actually |
| 13:25 | <&jerith> | Syk: You still need Python 2 to do most useful stuff. |
| 13:25 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: especially if you're going to be looking at other software out there |
| 13:25 | <@froztbyte> | most of it is still 2.5+ |
| 13:25 | <@froztbyte> | sometimes 2.4 |
| 13:25 | <&jerith> | Django, Twisted, etc. don't have py3 versions yet. |
| 13:25 | <&jerith> | And really, py3 is a very similar language. |
| 13:26 | <@froztbyte> | so really, it's best just to learn python2, then learn the changes from there |
| 13:26 | <@froztbyte> | if you find yourself liking py3 for some reason, you can join the effort to make more things work with it |
| 13:26 | < Syk> | hum |
| 13:26 | <@froztbyte> | (but personally I hope that fewer and fewer people do) |
| 13:27 | <@froztbyte> | anyway yeah |
| 13:27 | <@froztbyte> | that swaroop thing |
| 13:27 | <@froztbyte> | there's also the Zed Shaw thing |
| 13:27 | <@froztbyte> | http://learnpythonthehardway.org/ |
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| 13:29 | < Syk> | yeah i was looking at that |
| 13:30 | < Syk> | it looks like twisted will never be python3 |
| 13:30 | < Syk> | hm |
| 13:31 | <@froztbyte> | canonical is paying for some people to port it |
| 13:31 | <@froztbyte> | but it's very very slow going |
| 13:31 | <@froztbyte> | and there's tons of py2 code |
| 13:31 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: seriously though, don't evaluate this on "py3 is newer so I should learn it" |
| 13:31 | < Syk> | oh they have a porting plan |
| 13:31 | < Syk> | so theoretically |
| 13:31 | <@froztbyte> | disregard py3 entirely for now |
| 13:31 | < Syk> | if python3 ends up being great and supports things |
| 13:32 | < Syk> | in like two years |
| 13:32 | <&jerith> | Syk: Canonical is paying exarkun (and possibly itamar as well) to port it. |
| 13:32 | <&jerith> | So it's happening, albeit with much grumbling. |
| 13:32 | <@froztbyte> | *much* grumbling |
| 13:32 | < Syk> | is there actual difference for regular stuff? |
| 13:32 | <@froztbyte> | yup |
| 13:33 | <@froztbyte> | modules missing, entire ways you write things are different |
| 13:33 | < Syk> | .NET 3 -> .NET 4 difference, or VB6 -> .NET 2003 style |
| 13:33 | <&jerith> | Syk: They juggled the standard library around and changed a few bits of syntax. |
| 13:33 | <@froztbyte> | I had a nice comparison page around somewhere once |
| 13:33 | < Syk> | ...so VB6 to 2003 then |
| 13:33 | < Syk> | ...looks like I'm never porting anything :D |
| 13:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | Not quite that dramatic, I think |
| 13:34 | <&jerith> | There's a tool to automatically translate from py2 to py3, but you need to do a bunch of work in your py2 codebase to make the tool useful. |
| 13:35 | < Syk> | well, 2.7 is stable, isn't it? |
| 13:35 | < Syk> | if I built a house of cards on top it won't self destruct come 2014? |
| 13:35 | <@froztbyte> | python 2.7 is all anyone who matters cares about |
| 13:35 | <@froztbyte> | and I suspect that it'll live forth in pypy |
| 13:35 | <&jerith> | Syk: It's stable in the sense that it's only ever going to get bugfixes and probably not many of those. |
| 13:35 | <@froztbyte> | with whatever issues it has fixed there |
| 13:36 | <&jerith> | There's almost certainly never going to be a 2.8. |
| 13:36 | <@froztbyte> | http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/imprint_downloads/informit/promotions/python/pyth on2python3.pdf |
| 13:36 | <@froztbyte> | that's the cheatsheet with major differences |
| 13:38 | <@froztbyte> | syntactical, at least |
| 13:38 | < Syk> | oh hey |
| 13:38 | | * Syk cuddles her pdf.js in FF19 |
| 13:41 | < Syk> | hmm |
| 13:41 | < Syk> | some of the py3 changeslook at least slightlylogical |
| 13:42 | < Syk> | like print() |
| 13:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | pdf.js? |
| 13:46 | < Syk> | ToxicFrog: it's a PDF viewer written in JavaScript |
| 13:46 | < Syk> | by Mozilla |
| 13:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | and yeah, py3 is not actually a step backwards from py2 language-wise, it's just ecologically problematic |
| 13:46 | < Syk> | instead of requiring a plugin, it's built in |
| 13:46 | < Syk> | it's also rather good, I think |
| 13:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | And Python doesn't really have the same culture that lets, say, Lua get away with breaking backwards compatibility on every release |
| 13:47 | < Syk> | it is slightly laggy with complex documents, but, it's quick to load so i like it |
| 13:49 | < Syk> | oh shit i just realised python is weakly typed |
| 13:49 | < Syk> | this will be interesting |
| 13:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | ...it is? |
| 13:50 | < Syk> | uh |
| 13:51 | < Syk> | ...maybe my terminology is wrong |
| 13:51 | <&ToxicFrog> | I mean, there's coercion between numeric types, but apart from that... |
| 13:51 | <&ToxicFrog> | "weakly typed" is "neither variables nor values have types; any value can be, and is, interpreted as whatever type is required by the context" |
| 13:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | Eg, "foo" is simultaneously the string foo, the int 0, the float 0.0, the boolean true, the list [ 'f', 'o', 'o' ] and the empty dictionary depending on how it's used. |
| 13:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | More generally, the more implicit conversions there are, the more weakly typed the language is, with what I just described being an extreme that is rarely realized in practice. |
| 13:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | You may be thinking of the fact that it's dynamically typed, or that it conventionally uses duck-typing? |
| 13:54 | < Syk> | i think dynamically typed |
| 13:54 | < Syk> | that value x can be an int then later a string |
| 13:55 | < Syk> | unless this headache is truly fucking my interpretation skills |
| 13:56 | <&ToxicFrog> | variable x can be an int and then later a string. |
| 13:56 | <&ToxicFrog> | Variables don't have types, only values do. |
| 13:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | >>> x = "foo"; type(x) |
| 13:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | <type 'str'> |
| 13:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | >>> x = 0; type(x) |
| 13:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | <type 'int'> |
| 13:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | And yeah, that's dynamic typing. Types are attached to values, not the variables that hold them, and type checking is performed at runtime. |
| 13:58 | | * Syk nods |
| 14:01 | < Syk> | also, question |
| 14:02 | < Syk> | i've always used postgresql for my db stuff |
| 14:02 | < Syk> | that or sqlite |
| 14:02 | < Syk> | is mysql any good, or is it just popular? |
| 14:03 | <@TheWatcher> | That's Holy Wars territory, that is |
| 14:04 | < Syk> | i wasn't aware postgresql was popular enough to be part of a holy war :p |
| 14:09 | <&ToxicFrog> | The impression I get from people who work with mysql on a regular basis is that it's not good, just popular |
| 14:09 | <&ToxicFrog> | But I'm not a database guy, so this is entirely second-hand |
| 14:10 | | * TheWatcher shrug |
| 14:10 | <@TheWatcher> | I use it all the time, and I find it no worse than the rest (which is not, I note, saying it is good) |
| 14:13 | <@TheWatcher> | Syk: Less facetiously, it depends what you're doing - if you're after making a decent sized application to release, you should look into abstracting your database code anyway, so that it can be used with various servers and your code outside the implementation modules doesn't need to care. |
| 14:13 | <@TheWatcher> | If you're just using it while learning, stick to what you know. |
| 14:13 | <@TheWatcher> | No point in trying to learn a language /and/ a database in parallel if you already know a database |
| 14:16 | < Syk> | ive used pg for some three years |
| 14:16 | < Syk> | TheWatcher: but yes good idea |
| 14:16 | < Syk> | it looks like twisted has a database layer |
| 14:17 | < Syk> | and theres a pg hookin for it |
| 14:19 | < Syk> | so when people say Python |
| 14:19 | < Syk> | theres the language standard, and CPython |
| 14:20 | < Syk> | and PyPy is independent yet compatible? |
| 14:20 | < Syk> | I think I shouldn't try and understand things after a monday lol |
| 14:21 | <@TheWatcher> | Should learn perl, it's much simpler~ |
| 14:23 | < celticminstrel> | Lies. :P |
| 14:25 | <@TheWatcher> | Bah, you have perl 5.12 or 5.14 (5.16 if you're adventurous), and that's it! |
| 14:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | The perl ecosystem may be simpler, but I'm not sure you can honestly say the language is |
| 14:26 | <@TheWatcher> | Well, no >.> |
| 14:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | Syk: "Python" is the language. CPython and PyPy are different implementations (interpreters + standard libraries) for the language. |
| 14:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | CPython is the reference implementation, written in C (hence the name) by the Python designers. PyPy is an independent JIT-based implementation written in a mix of C and Python that's compatible with CPython 2.7, and can run natively or on the CLR or JVM. |
| 14:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | Syk: what languages do you normally work in |
| 14:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | ? |
| 14:30 | < Syk> | 90% of my work is unfortunately in VB.NET |
| 14:30 | < Syk> | 'cos It Works |
| 14:30 | < Syk> | and C# is trash |
| 14:31 | < Syk> | some stuff in bash, a little JS, nothing really that special |
| 14:42 | <&ToxicFrog> | This may be the first time I've heard someone rank C# below VB.NET~ |
| 14:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | But, ok, I can't really come up with a good analogy based on that, so I'll just leave my python/pypy explanation as is. |
| 14:43 | < Syk> | ToxicFrog: heh |
| 14:43 | < Syk> | like Mono? :P |
| 14:44 | < Syk> | ToxicFrog: imo the VB.NET bindings for a lot of external libs and just the way some things work are much better |
| 14:44 | < Syk> | I find C# pointless |
| 14:44 | < Syk> | if I wanted to write C, I would write C |
| 14:44 | < Syk> | or C++ |
| 14:44 | <&ToxicFrog> | Kiiind of, although mono is more ".NET for non-windows platforms" whereas Pypy is "Python for everything CPython already supports, but faster" |
| 14:45 | < Syk> | so it's like V8? :D |
| 14:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | But, yeah, similar. You have the language(s) and the runtime specification, and then the official implementation (.NET), and then unofficial implementations that are (hopefully/mostly) compatible with the official one (mono) |
| 14:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | Also, C# isn't really related to C/++ |
| 14:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | It's more Java But Not As Horrible |
| 14:46 | < Syk> | to me it's some weird VB.NET + Java hybrid |
| 14:46 | < Syk> | where nothing makes sense |
| 14:46 | < Syk> | and everything seems overly complex and enterprise |
| 14:47 | < Syk> | for no good reason |
| 14:47 | <&ToxicFrog> | Well, yes, I thought I just said that~ |
| 14:47 | < Syk> | oh |
| 14:47 | < Syk> | i dunno |
| 14:47 | < Syk> | it's 11pm and i have a headache |
| 14:47 | < Syk> | surprised I can still type |
| 14:50 | < Syk> | so I might as well try and use the time usefully |
| 14:50 | < Syk> | man the python PEPs make me think of Fallout |
| 14:51 | | * Azash waves at ToxicFrog, Syk |
| 14:51 | <@Azash> | TF, how's the thesis coming along? |
| 14:51 | < Syk> | hi Azash |
| 14:53 | < Syk> | wtf why does pep-8 recommend spaces |
| 14:53 | < Syk> | can someone please explain to me why spaces are ever a good idea? |
| 14:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Consistent indentation level regardless of tab interpretation. |
| 14:57 | < Syk> | ...except tabs don't randomly change length mid-document? owO |
| 14:58 | < Syk> | oh you mean like between different clients |
| 14:58 | < Syk> | ugh |
| 14:58 | < Syk> | personally that irritates me to no end |
| 14:58 | <@TheWatcher> | Yes, between clients. |
| 14:58 | | * Syk has her tabs set to 8-spaces |
| 14:58 | < Syk> | then everything's got 4-spaces |
| 15:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | Azash: submitted it to my advisor for approval on friday \o/ |
| 15:01 | <@Azash> | \o/ |
| 15:01 | <@Azash> | Here's hoping you get approved |
| 15:01 | < Syk> | yaaay |
| 15:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | Still need to finish the appendices, and then defend |
| 15:03 | < Syk> | man, headaches suck |
| 15:04 | < Syk> | i have music on to drown out my family, and it is literally hurting me :| |
| 15:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Go for a walk |
| 15:06 | <@TheWatcher> | You might get some quiet, and the exercise and fresh air may help the headache |
| 15:07 | < Syk> | TheWatcher: it's 11PM |
| 15:07 | <@TheWatcher> | So? |
| 15:07 | < Syk> | and i'm one street from the bad part of town |
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| 15:07 | < Syk> | which is, technically, all of the town except for the new part |
| 15:07 | < Syk> | and i really don't feel like getting mugged |
| 15:08 | < Syk> | (last year, one guy got stabbed with a screwdriver and his wife got her jaw broken. in a lit area in the middle of the CBD in town. yeah, it's one of Those Places) |
| 15:08 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, yeah, and you're in Australia, too - so you need to worry about things like deadly animals, plants, insects, and some of the more uppity rocks. |
| 15:08 | < Syk> | fuckin mozzies will tear you to shreds |
| 15:09 | < Syk> | they are relentless |
| 15:09 | < Syk> | the best bit is when i am on my moped |
| 15:09 | < Syk> | i have an open-face helmet |
| 15:09 | <@TheWatcher> | ... >.< |
| 15:09 | < Syk> | riding at sundown - i end up with bugs about an inch long bouncing off my helmet at 55kmh |
| 15:09 | < Syk> | or hitting me in the chest |
| 15:10 | < Syk> | and hundreds of mozzies splatting on my glasses |
| 15:10 | <@TheWatcher> | Be thankful you have glasses, then! |
| 15:10 | < Syk> | but yes |
| 15:10 | < Syk> | it is always hearing a THUNK on your helmet |
| 15:11 | < Syk> | i swear i hit a wasp one day |
| 15:13 | < Syk> | aughhhh i have to move out soon before I go /insane/ |
| 15:39 | <&jerith> | Syk: South Africa's nice. ;-) |
| 15:40 | < Syk> | jerith: anywhere away from my insane, abusive family will be good enough for me |
| 15:40 | | * Syk counting down the weeks |
| 15:40 | <&jerith> | froztbyte: ^^^ |
| 15:40 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: I can certify that you do need to get the hell out. |
| 15:41 | <@froztbyte> | the first while after doing it will likely be a pretty crazy rollercoaster |
| 15:41 | <@froztbyte> | but it works out |
| 15:41 | | * froztbyte not-so-recently-anymore cut all ties with his blood family |
| 15:41 | < ErikMesoy> | jerith: South Africa's beautiful, not nice. ;-) |
| 15:41 | < Syk> | froztbyte: yeah |
| 15:41 | < Syk> | i've been working on my getout plan since a domestic 'incident' back in Dec 2010 |
| 15:41 | <@froztbyte> | ErikMesoy: you must have us confused with somewhere else |
| 15:42 | < Syk> | uh, Nov 2010, make that |
| 15:42 | <@froztbyte> | heh |
| 15:42 | < Syk> | circumstances have just been fucked |
| 15:42 | <@froztbyte> | that whole little "legal age" thing is pretty annoying, too |
| 15:42 | < Syk> | not in Australia |
| 15:42 | <@froztbyte> | nah, even in .au |
| 15:42 | <@froztbyte> | there's always some bullshit law somewhere |
| 15:42 | | * TheWatcher hates all over spaces in filenames with scp |
| 15:43 | <@froztbyte> | don't use scp. |
| 15:43 | <&jerith> | ErikMesoy: It's very nice, actually. The bad bits are no worse than the bad bits in most other places. |
| 15:43 | <@froztbyte> | rsync is much better |
| 15:43 | < Syk> | if you need to move out for purposes of personal safety and you can prove you're responsible, you can sign most things as a legal adult |
| 15:43 | <@froztbyte> | and if you don't have rsync on the remote side, sshfs. |
| 15:43 | < Syk> | but anyway |
| 15:43 | <&jerith> | For example, I'd have no problem walking around my neighbourhood at 11pm. |
| 15:43 | < Syk> | i'm legal age now |
| 15:43 | < Syk> | my main problem is my geographic location |
| 15:43 | < Syk> | i am 8 hours from the next town over |
| 15:44 | <@froztbyte> | are you in shitsville, north australia? |
| 15:44 | <&jerith> | (Well, the only problem I'd have is that nothing nearby's open, which rather reduces my incentive to walk.) |
| 15:44 | <@froztbyte> | ah |
| 15:44 | <@froztbyte> | yeah |
| 15:44 | < Syk> | I have no family for 32h or so |
| 15:44 | < Syk> | which is GREAT |
| 15:45 | < Syk> | seriously, the worst day of my life so far was pretty much running away from home with a friend-organised evacuation for a few days |
| 15:45 | < Syk> | that was fucking fun |
| 15:45 | <@froztbyte> | :) |
| 15:45 | <@froztbyte> | I think you mean s/worst/best/, perhaps |
| 15:45 | < Syk> | uh no |
| 15:46 | < Syk> | since I was running away from home |
| 15:46 | < Syk> | with a swollen lip |
| 15:46 | <@froztbyte> | oh |
| 15:46 | < Syk> | this was temporary |
| 15:46 | < Syk> | the best bit? |
| 15:46 | < Syk> | it was the night I won like three excellence awards after graduating highschool |
| 15:47 | < Tarinaky> | Why the fuck does Math.floor return a double |
| 15:47 | < Syk> | so my stepfather decided that I - at that time, a full-time IT worker - didn't require a computer anymore |
| 15:47 | < Tarinaky> | What the fuck Java |
| 15:47 | < Tarinaky> | What the fuck |
| 15:47 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: ah, naturally |
| 15:47 | < Syk> | and i went woah wtf when he dropped my - still on! - external HDD to the ground |
| 15:47 | < Tarinaky> | Can someone who's laptop wasn't made in 1999 tell me how to turn a double into an int intelligibly |
| 15:47 | < Syk> | in the middle of migration |
| 15:47 | < Syk> | destroying all the data on it |
| 15:48 | < Syk> | and stuff went from there |
| 15:48 | < Syk> | TheWatcher: doesn't Java have Integer.valueOf()? |
| 15:48 | < Syk> | uh |
| 15:48 | < Syk> | Tarinaky: * |
| 15:49 | < Syk> | Tarinaky: and i think it returns a double because i think java's floor has a second parameter |
| 15:49 | < Syk> | so you can do floor rounding for like |
| 15:49 | < Syk> | 123.456 -> 123.460 |
| 15:49 | < Syk> | uh, .450 |
| 15:50 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: ah, the old "I am the boss, and you will do everything I say. Look, I can prove it. There, fuck you." attitude |
| 15:50 | < Syk> | froztbyte: i would phrase it more as 'drunk technophobic fucktard' myself |
| 15:50 | <@froztbyte> | same base attitude |
| 15:50 | < Syk> | they still haven't got over me going into IT |
| 15:51 | < Syk> | i remember, back when I started |
| 15:51 | < Syk> | "you'll end up like $supervisor" |
| 15:51 | <@froztbyte> | my family was still on the "you'll never be successful if you don't start finish a degree or something" stage when I last saw any of them |
| 15:51 | <@froztbyte> | sending me shitty N+ course-links, etc |
| 15:51 | < Syk> | four years later, he has his own farm down south, a wife and kids and charges $100/hr consultancy fees |
| 15:51 | <@froztbyte> | (you should keep in mind that I've run chunks of the internet for ~4 years now) |
| 15:52 | < Syk> | so yeah |
| 15:52 | < Syk> | heh |
| 15:52 | <@froztbyte> | yup, I totally get it |
| 15:52 | < Syk> | i'm almost inclined to cut ties with them |
| 15:52 | < Syk> | and maintain with everyone on my mother's side, just not my mother |
| 15:53 | <@froztbyte> | the only person who I spoke to that side of the family died about 2 weeks ago |
| 15:53 | < Syk> | eep |
| 15:53 | <@froztbyte> | my father's mother |
| 15:53 | <@froztbyte> | eh, it's okay |
| 15:53 | <@froztbyte> | people die |
| 15:53 | < Syk> | my mother's side of the family is fairly awesome |
| 15:54 | < Syk> | eg. my grandfather is a retired realtor and electrician who can smell bullshit from a mile away - quite handy to know right now, for example |
| 15:55 | < Syk> | my mother was like 'you should invest in property in the city' and my grandfather laughed at her |
| 15:55 | < Syk> | (since taking out a $200,000 morgage at the age of 18 == not the best idea ever) |
| 15:56 | <@froztbyte> | yeah fuck that whole storybook way of thinking |
| 15:56 | <@froztbyte> | you seem reasonably well-adjusted though, that's pretty good |
| 15:57 | <&jerith> | froztbyte: Give Syk the ThoughtWorks job link. |
| 15:57 | < Syk> | i can put on one hell of a well-adjusted facade |
| 15:58 | <@froztbyte> | jerith: good idea |
| 15:59 | <@froztbyte> | done |
| 15:59 | < Syk> | hmm |
| 15:59 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: everyone does ;) |
| 15:59 | | * Syk looks at it |
| 15:59 | <@froztbyte> | the trick is in learning what the facade is like :P |
| 16:00 | < Syk> | >Melbourne & Sydney |
| 16:00 | < Syk> | >v< |
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| 16:00 | | * Syk sighs |
| 16:00 | <@froztbyte> | don't |
| 16:00 | <@froztbyte> | give it a shot |
| 16:00 | <@froztbyte> | you don't have anything to lose by trying :) |
| 16:00 | < Syk> | the problem is that moving to Melb/Sydney is near impossible for me |
| 16:01 | <@froztbyte> | "Impossible is nothing. Miracles take a bit longer." |
| 16:01 | | * Syk doesn't have her car license, which makes things really hard |
| 16:01 | <&jerith> | Syk: Why? |
| 16:01 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: pfft, those are all easy to fix |
| 16:01 | <&jerith> | Ah. |
| 16:01 | <@froztbyte> | hell, you could get people to give you a lift down there |
| 16:01 | <&jerith> | Apply for the Jo'burg one, then. :-D |
| 16:01 | <@froztbyte> | or a train ticket |
| 16:02 | <@froztbyte> | or whatever |
| 16:02 | < Syk> | froztbyte: I can get there no problem |
| 16:02 | < Syk> | it's more, like, getting everything /else/ |
| 16:02 | < Syk> | hmm well |
| 16:02 | < Syk> | I could always go fuck it and just leave everything but my clothes and laptop behind |
| 16:02 | < Syk> | just bring a suitcase full of HDDs and just rebuy everything over there lols |
| 16:03 | <@froztbyte> | when I moved, I had my desk, computer, 2/3 boxes of stuff still packed from the previous time I'd moved (books and DVDs, that sort of stuff), clothes, and a mattress |
| 16:03 | <@froztbyte> | nearly all of it fit in a car |
| 16:03 | < Syk> | except I can't legally drive a car |
| 16:03 | <@froztbyte> | my cbr400 is still at the parents' house |
| 16:03 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: I can't even get a license |
| 16:04 | <@froztbyte> | a fuckup on the licensing system here has a still-active booking from 2008, and I haven't gotten a round tuit for dealing with it yet |
| 16:04 | < Syk> | I have my car L plates |
| 16:04 | <@froztbyte> | (since it'll possibly take easily 3~4 days of bureaucracy) |
| 16:04 | < Syk> | then my stepfather had a neck injury |
| 16:04 | < Syk> | ugh fuck it |
| 16:04 | < Syk> | i might as well go for my auto license |
| 16:05 | < Syk> | my stepfather is unreliable as all fuck |
| 16:05 | < Syk> | okay so |
| 16:05 | <@froztbyte> | :D |
| 16:05 | < Syk> | now to see if I'm qualified for any of these thoughtworks jobs |
| 16:11 | < Syk> | well... not really |
| 16:12 | < Syk> | ...no harm in trying, though... |
| 16:12 | <@froztbyte> | :) |
| 16:13 | < Syk> | jerith: why thoughtworks in particular? |
| 16:13 | <@froztbyte> | because we were at their recruiting gig on saturday and they're pretty awesome |
| 16:14 | <&jerith> | Syk: They had a recruiting thing on Saturday that froztbyte and I went to. |
| 16:14 | <@froztbyte> | (and they have a presence in .au) |
| 16:14 | < Syk> | ahh |
| 16:14 | | * Syk nodnods |
| 16:14 | <&jerith> | (I was there to talk to them about how they're using our stuff -- I already have a job I love.) |
| 16:14 | <@froztbyte> | jerith: oh btw, I clicked the button earlier today |
| 16:14 | <&jerith> | But now it's hometime. |
| 16:14 | < Syk> | well, I think I can try |
| 16:14 | <@froztbyte> | so we shall see what comes of it |
| 16:15 | < Syk> | I honestly am terrified at how people percieve me |
| 16:15 | < Syk> | because nearly nobody takes me seriously in a professional capacity |
| 16:15 | < Syk> | and I get way too much disbelief when I say I made X or Y |
| 16:16 | <@froztbyte> | that's easy to fix, though |
| 16:16 | <@froztbyte> | if someone doubts you, you can say "don't believe me?", which will corner them into saying "prove it" |
| 16:16 | <@froztbyte> | but also, TW is the sort of company that's not full of fail like that :) |
| 16:16 | < Syk> | hehe |
| 16:18 | < Syk> | well, hopefully my portfolio has enough stuff in it |
| 16:18 | <@froztbyte> | another thing that I suspect counts in your favour is that you're young and already passionate about this sort of stuff |
| 16:18 | <@froztbyte> | that's kinda the sort of people they want |
| 16:18 | <@froztbyte> | ftp -_- |
| 16:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | Syk: having your stuff on github or similar will help there, too, because then you can just put links in your portfolio and they can golook |
| 16:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | froztbyte: in this day and age? |
| 16:20 | < Syk> | unfortunately 99% of my stuff is all work |
| 16:20 | < Syk> | :/ |
| 16:21 | < Syk> | and the 1% of other things are tainted by... well, being bound to me |
| 16:21 | <&ToxicFrog> | wha? |
| 16:21 | < Syk> | i keep my professional and personal lives very seperate |
| 16:21 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog: the fact that I can ftp this set of updates to the router, instead of having to tftp it, is considered a feature |
| 16:22 | < Syk> | none of those projects are any good anyway |
| 16:22 | < Syk> | i wrote something that has more comedic value in the comments than it does actually working |
| 16:22 | < Syk> | :P |
| 16:22 | < Syk> | but yeah, I have very little actual demonstratable code |
| 16:22 | < Syk> | outside of work's new website |
| 16:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | Aah :/ |
| 16:24 | < Syk> | eh fuck it |
| 16:24 | < Syk> | i might as well link it |
| 16:24 | < Syk> | http://ekra.com.au/ |
| 16:24 | < Syk> | (is a test domain for now until everyone else gives me the fucking content) |
| 16:25 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
| 16:25 | < Syk> | I wish I had more time to spend on it :( |
| 16:25 | < Syk> | because there's so many things i can fix |
| 16:25 | < Syk> | but oh well |
| 16:25 | < Syk> | for being given no design requirements, no targets and no support apart from the funds to buy the VPS |
| 16:25 | < Syk> | I think I did okay |
| 16:26 | < Syk> | oh and working inside the fucktarded style guide |
| 16:26 | <@froztbyte> | eh, you did that whole thing entirely? |
| 16:26 | < Syk> | we have three colours as part of our palette |
| 16:26 | <@froztbyte> | that's pretty good :) |
| 16:26 | < Syk> | grey, orange and red |
| 16:26 | < Syk> | and white/black |
| 16:27 | < Syk> | froztbyte: yeah, more or less |
| 16:27 | < Syk> | well some of the backend is my supervisor's |
| 16:27 | < Syk> | the front end (css/html/etc) is all me |
| 16:27 | < Syk> | i'm gonna be using galleria soon |
| 16:27 | < Syk> | too |
| 16:27 | < Syk> | http://ekra.com.au/ekra/webfids.html |
| 16:27 | < Syk> | i am pretty proud of this though |
| 16:28 | < Syk> | this is grabbing the data from the FIDS board I wrote |
| 16:28 | <@froztbyte> | this is pretty good though |
| 16:28 | < Syk> | (also, the site uses some hacked together media queries) |
| 16:28 | <@froztbyte> | decent layout, design, etc |
| 16:28 | < Syk> | it ALMOST works great on mobile |
| 16:29 | < Syk> | but since I finish work in uh |
| 16:29 | < Syk> | ...one week |
| 16:29 | < Syk> | not much else is getting done on it :/ |
| 16:29 | < Syk> | it took a few weeks... the design itself maybe two or three weeks |
| 16:29 | < Syk> | (part time) |
| 16:30 | < Syk> | the back end took a lot longer but that's because it's static page generation |
| 16:30 | < Syk> | it's a slightly weird design choice but I think the benefits outweigh the downsides in the end |
| 16:31 | <@froztbyte> | I've also been poking at some static generation stuff lately |
| 16:31 | <@froztbyte> | like for the mirror.neology.co.za admin page |
| 16:32 | < Syk> | imo, if things rarely change |
| 16:32 | <@froztbyte> | bonsai is looking like a nice choice, there's just no direct docs so I get to figure structure out myself -_- |
| 16:32 | < Syk> | the speed benefits are freakin amazing |
| 16:32 | < Syk> | i wrote the generator myself lols |
| 16:32 | <@froztbyte> | there are some other ways to gain those same benefits |
| 16:32 | <@froztbyte> | generate once, cache until invalidating, etc |
| 16:32 | < Syk> | i just make templates, make blocks where I insert content and write it out |
| 16:32 | < Syk> | yeah, that's true |
| 16:33 | <@froztbyte> | but yeah |
| 16:33 | <@froztbyte> | durrrrr |
| 16:33 | < Syk> | that there is essentially the best part of my portfolio |
| 16:33 | <@froztbyte> | forgot I just updated the router through which I was bouncing |
| 16:33 | | * froztbyte fixes up the tunnels again |
| 16:34 | < gnolam> | One day, someone will cross VHDL and Verilog with each other just right. |
| 16:34 | <@froztbyte> | that'd be crossing the streams |
| 16:34 | < gnolam> | So that you have an HDL that's not a huge pain to write but still provides you with some decent error checking. |
| 16:36 | < Syk> | uh |
| 16:37 | < Syk> | ...did anyone else have a massive lag spike |
| 16:39 | < Syk> | ...it seems to be fixed now tho |
| 16:40 | < ErikMesoy> | Not that I noticed |
| 16:45 | < Syk> | okay so |
| 16:45 | < Syk> | sleep time, maybe |
| 16:45 | < Syk> | since it's 12:45am... |
| 16:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | ...yeah, probably a good idea |
| 16:46 | < Syk> | jerith, froztbyte, thanks for the heads up re: thoughtworks |
| 16:46 | <@froztbyte> | cool |
| 16:46 | <@froztbyte> | good luck :) |
| 16:46 | < Syk> | i'll have to persue it when my head doesn't feel like it's having a bad double blind date with the left and right sides of a nutcracker |
| 16:47 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
| 16:47 | < EvilDarkLord> | An oddly specific kind of headache. |
| 16:48 | < Syk> | well it's better than your head feeling like a four year old has used it for boxing practice |
| 16:49 | < Syk> | protip: four or five 4 to 6 year olds can easily overpower a sixteen year old, given the time and correct family outing |
| 16:50 | < EvilDarkLord> | Is sand and sunbathing involved in this scenario? |
| 16:51 | < Syk> | EvilDarkLord: no, but a family christmas party and a plastic childrens tractor are |
| 16:52 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: that just means the 16 year old was sufficiently concerned for the safety of said youngins. |
| 16:53 | < Syk> | they menaced me with party poppers :c |
| 16:53 | | * Tamber drapes paper streamers over Syk. |
| 16:54 | < Syk> | D: |
| 16:55 | < Syk> | also, your daily comic: http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity5037.gif (image is sfw, site is not) |
| 16:58 | | Syk is now known as syksleep |
| 16:58 | < syksleep> | anyway... bedtimes |
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| 18:47 | <@froztbyte> | http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2012-November/088813.html |
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| 19:09 | | * Derakon ponders Python. |
| 19:09 | <&Derakon> | I want to do something like def foo(arg1, *args, kwarg1, **kwargs) |
| 19:09 | <&Derakon> | That is, one required argument, some number of ordered args after that, then a keyword arg, then any number of other keyword args. |
| 19:09 | <&Derakon> | Unfortunately this appears to be invalid syntax. |
| 19:09 | <&jerith> | Derakon: Yeah. |
| 19:10 | <&Derakon> | I guess all explicit args have to come at the front...which screws up ordering of the *args entity. |
| 19:10 | <&Derakon> | Oh, sorry, I wrote that wrong. |
| 19:10 | <&Derakon> | def foo(arg1, *args, kwarg1 = default, **kwargs) |
| 19:10 | <&Derakon> | kwarg1 is optional. |
| 19:11 | <&jerith> | The standard way to do that is to manually extract kwarg1 from kwargs. |
| 19:11 | <@Tamber> | wark? |
| 19:12 | <&Derakon> | Ugh. |
| 19:12 | <&jerith> | "kwarg1 = kwargs.pop('kwarg1', default)" |
| 19:13 | <&Derakon> | I guess I don't really have a better option. |
| 19:13 | <&Derakon> | Kinda wonder why the syntax I wanted to use is invalid though. |
| 19:13 | <&Derakon> | Anyway, thanks. |
| 19:14 | <&jerith> | Derakon: *args and **kw have to be the last two things in the argspec. |
| 19:14 | <&jerith> | That's just how it is. :-/ |
| 19:14 | <&Derakon> | Phooey. |
| 19:14 | <&jerith> | I think they've done something about that in 3.4 or whatever, but that won't help you. |
| 19:33 | | * iospace eyes this segfault |
| 19:42 | <@Azash> | When you stare long into the segfault, the segfault also stares into you |
| 19:43 | <&McMartin> | Speaking of segfaults! |
| 19:43 | <&McMartin> | Can anyone recommend a good hex editor for Windows these days? |
| 19:44 | | * McMartin has been just loading files into Python and dicking around with the octets, but this is inefficient. |
| 19:44 | < iospace> | probably a plugin for NP++ :P |
| 19:47 | <&McMartin> | Emacs also has a hex editing mode =P |
| 19:47 | < iospace> | Emacs can go jump off a cliff ^_^ |
| 19:48 | <&Derakon> | How about vim then? http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/628-vim-as-hex-editor.html |
| 19:49 | <&McMartin> | wxHex is marked as beta but looks acceptable for my needs |
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| 20:22 | <@froztbyte> | <McMartin> Can anyone recommend a good hex editor for Windows these days? |
| 20:22 | <@froztbyte> | I've stolen UltraEdit the last few times I had to do something like that |
| 20:22 | <@froztbyte> | <Azash> When you stare long into the segfault, the segfault also stares into you |
| 20:22 | <@froztbyte> | truer words than you might've thought. |
| 20:24 | <&jerith> | kill -11 froztbyte |
| 20:24 | < AnnoDomini> | -11? What's that code for? |
| 20:25 | <&jerith> | I don't think you can actually send SIGSEGV, though. |
| 20:26 | <@Tamber> | Sure you can. |
| 20:27 | <&jerith> | Oh, right. You can't /catch/ it. |
| 20:27 | <@Tamber> | Not without Magic, anyway. |
| 20:29 | <@froztbyte> | it's a sometimes sad fact of my life that I know most sig id's at glance |
| 20:30 | <&jerith> | froztbyte: 6? |
| 20:30 | | * Tamber has 2 listed for that. o.o |
| 20:31 | <@froztbyte> | jerith: that's not very nice :P |
| 20:31 | <&jerith> | 9 and 15 are easy. |
| 20:31 | <@Tamber> | 30! |
| 20:31 | | * Tamber ducks. |
| 20:31 | <&jerith> | Although people seldom use 15 explicitly. |
| 20:31 | <@froztbyte> | yup |
| 20:32 | <@froztbyte> | I often use -1 |
| 20:32 | <@froztbyte> | (from outside of something) |
| 20:32 | <&jerith> | I think pretty much everything above 15 is system-dependent. |
| 20:32 | <@Tamber> | Most likely. |
| 20:32 | <@froztbyte> | and nooooow and then there's a need for hackery with 3 |
| 20:32 | <&jerith> | Many of the names are the same, but the numbers match. |
| 20:33 | <@froztbyte> | jerith: and then there's the fun with how things sub to USR1/USR2 |
| 20:33 | <@froztbyte> | in general, things seem to take USR1 as "print out status" |
| 20:34 | <@froztbyte> | yet here and there we've come across something that has USR1 as "breakpoint, HALT THE FUCK NOW AND EMIT PROMPT" |
| 20:34 | <@froztbyte> | which isn't so good. |
| 20:34 | <&jerith> | I've always liked SIGWINCH, because it gives me a mental image of a crane resizing my terminal. |
| 20:35 | <@froztbyte> | hehe |
| 20:35 | <&jerith> | Err, s/match/differ/ earlier. |
| 20:35 | <@froztbyte> | reminds me, I need to figure out why my screen(1) config causes a SIGWINCH |
| 20:36 | <@froztbyte> | it's really annoying when working from a windows box now and then |
| 20:36 | <&jerith> | screen resizes itself to fit the window its in or something. |
| 20:36 | <&jerith> | Actually, it can also try to resize the window it's in to change itself. |
| 20:37 | <@froztbyte> | well, I haven't really dug into it much |
| 20:37 | <@froztbyte> | but I'm guessing it has something to do with my status line or something |
| 20:38 | <&jerith> | froztbyte: If you can figure out why multitail likes to redraw itself a billion times every now and then, I'd appreciate it. |
| 20:38 | <@froztbyte> | jerith: probably because it sucks at linefeeding |
| 20:38 | <@froztbyte> | why use multitail instead of just tail -f src1 src2 src3 ? |
| 20:39 | <@froztbyte> | err, tail -fq, I think I mean |
| 20:39 | <&jerith> | froztbyte: Colours, rotation following, merging, etc. |
| 20:39 | <@froztbyte> | hageshii % man multitail |
| 20:39 | <@froztbyte> | No manual entry for multitail |
| 20:39 | <@froztbyte> | hageshii % googsearch man multitail |
| 20:39 | <@froztbyte> | I really do love my shell aliases. |
| 20:39 | <@froztbyte> | jerith: hmm |
| 20:40 | <@froztbyte> | jerith: I pipe to ccze for colour, tail -F sorts out following on rotation instead of tracking a filehandle |
| 20:40 | <@froztbyte> | merging in which sense, if it sees a line in syslog and daemon.log, only show it once? |
| 20:41 | <@froztbyte> | (err, that alias opens up my query in a browser, for those who wonder what happened) |
| 20:41 | <@froztbyte> | jerith: ah, okay, I see what it does |
| 20:42 | <@froztbyte> | that's kinda useful, I suppose |
| 20:42 | <&jerith> | froztbyte: multitail puts each log you're watching in its own window. |
| 20:42 | <@froztbyte> | and yeah, probably some curses crap for the windows |
| 20:42 | <&jerith> | But you can merge multiple logs into a single window if you want. |
| 20:43 | <@froztbyte> | I don't think I have a general need for that |
| 20:43 | <&jerith> | I do that with a different colour for each log that's merged for multiple homogeneous worker processes behind a single interface. |
| 20:44 | <@froztbyte> | yar, I could see how it would be useful |
| 20:44 | <&jerith> | Several HTTP API workers behind haproxy, for example. |
| 20:44 | <@froztbyte> | I just don't really have much of that in my environment |
| 20:44 | <@froztbyte> | my side is more multiple components with each little bit doing stuff |
| 20:44 | <@froztbyte> | in which case it becomes easier to chuck it all together a single stream for the rare cases where I need a unified view |
| 20:44 | <&jerith> | We have that too. |
| 20:45 | <&jerith> | Typically a transport worker (which may have multiple instances running), a dispatcher and one or more app workers. |
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| 21:05 | <&McMartin> | >_< |
| 21:05 | <&McMartin> | Suggested name for localization experts |
| 21:05 | <&McMartin> | l10n tamers |
| 21:06 | <&jerith> | The guys we outsourced a lot of our localisation work to at my previous company were called L10nbridge. |
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| 21:57 | <&McMartin> | [programming] katre says, "I've been playing Portal lately so I am really identifying with Glados" |
| 21:57 | <&McMartin> | [programming] katre says, "'Little function, if you prove that '1' == 1 there will be cake!'" |
| 21:57 | <&McMartin> | ... I'm not sure how far he's gotten into Portal |
| 21:58 | | * McMartin tends more towards SHODAN when debugging. |
| 21:58 | <&McMartin> | TURN AROUND, INS-S-S-S-S-S-SECT, AND FACE YOUR EXECUTIONER |
| 22:05 | < iospace> | ... since when did McMartin turn into roscoe? |
| 22:10 | | ErikMesoy is now known as ErikMesoy|sleep |
| 22:18 | <@froztbyte> | http://eigen.pri.ee/shooter/ |
| 22:21 | <~Vornicus> | Roscoe? Try TF |
| 22:21 | <~Vornicus> | anyway |
| 22:31 | | * Derakon teaches Pyrel to teach the player how to play it, in a rather limited sense. |
| 22:31 | <&Derakon> | (When you select an item from your inventory, the game will pop up a list of commands you can perform with that item) |
| 22:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: HAVING TROUBLE, INSECT? TURN AND FACE YOUR EXECUTIONER! |
| 22:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | Also, that's Diego, not SHODAN >.> |
| 22:32 | <&McMartin> | "Diego" |
| 22:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | (assuming that there's actually a distinction between the two at that point~) |
| 22:33 | <&McMartin> | (I am not drawing that distinction, no) |
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