| --- Log opened Mon Sep 17 00:00:08 2012 |
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| 03:15 | <&Derakon> | Hm, dude in another channel claims that the actual prototype for the main function is "int main(int, char**, char**)", with the last argument being where the environment goes. |
| 03:15 | <&Derakon> | News to me. |
| 03:16 | <&McMartin> | I've seen that before |
| 03:16 | <&McMartin> | It may be an OS-specific extension |
| 03:16 | <&McMartin> | exec() certainly has that extension |
| 03:21 | <&ToxicFrog> | I was under the impression that while exec() lets you pass in an environment, the program you're execing still needs to access it with getenv() |
| 04:26 | < rms> | Derakon: AFAIK it's one of the valid prototypes the C spec allows |
| 04:26 | < rms> | (The spec allowed 4 different ones at one point) |
| 04:27 | < rms> | Note: argv and env (2nd and 3rd args) are both NULL terminated |
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| 04:40 | < rms> | Main has to take that third argument in hosted environments (c99) |
| 04:45 | < rms> | Section J.5.5.1 |
| 04:45 | < rms> | Err |
| 04:45 | < rms> | J.5.1.1 |
| 04:45 | < rms> | aww fuck |
| 04:45 | < rms> | Yes, that's a common extension |
| 04:46 | < rms> | It's not standard. |
| 04:46 | < rms> | (Every thing in J is non-standard but common) |
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| 04:49 | < rms> | For the curious, c99's return value for main is int and nothing else. |
| 04:50 | < rms> | Yet it has text in other sections saying what to do if main is void. |
| 04:50 | < rms> | Notably, void main() is supposed to exit(0) unless told to otherwise. |
| 04:51 | < rms> | 5.1.2.2.1 is the section explaining main() |
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| 10:47 | | * gnolam stabs Gmail. |
| 10:49 | < gnolam> | Yet another usability backslide. |
| 10:49 | < Reiver> | whats it done |
| 10:50 | < gnolam> | Not letting me set a civilized goddamn date format. |
| 10:51 | < Reiver> | It let you do that? |
| 10:53 | < gnolam> | For some utterly inexplicable reason, they never let you do it directly. But there was a Gmail Lab for it. |
| 10:53 | < Reiver> | Interesting. |
| 10:55 | < gnolam> | Which they've now removed, in their neverending quest to make their services less useful. |
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| 14:26 | < Namegduf> | I think something in Gmail Lab barely counts as positive usability, so it's at least only a small drop. |
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| 16:07 | < AnnoDomini> | ARGH. How the fuck do I disable autocorrection in OO? |
| 16:08 | < AnnoDomini> | I'm writing in Polish, and this shit keeps correcting lowercase i into uppercase I, and I can't figure out how to either change the language checking to Polish, or to disable this horrid shit. |
| 16:09 | < AnnoDomini> | Also, I DO NOT WANT START-OF-LINE UPPERCASE AUTOMATICALLY. I can do it just fine on my own, THANK YOU. |
| 16:11 | < AnnoDomini> | Ahahaha! Found it! |
| 16:52 | < RichyB> | Where? |
| 16:55 | < gnolam> | Changing the language of a document works by the insane troll logic of going into Tools->Options->Language Settings->Language, changing the program language and then ticking the little box that says "For the current document only". |
| 16:57 | < gnolam> | Whatever the OO UI devs were smoking was some seriously good stuff. |
| 16:58 | < gnolam> | (Tools->AutoCorrect Options->Stop fucking with what I write goddamnit is necessary despite that though) |
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| 18:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | Good news, my new laptop arrived! |
| 18:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | Bad news, jesus, what kind of a partitioning scheme is this |
| 18:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | I need to reinstall everything |
| 18:55 | <&McMartin> | Wasn't that the plan anyway? |
| 18:56 | <&ToxicFrog> | I was kind of pondering fiddling around with 12.04 for a while and seeing how I liked it |
| 18:56 | <&McMartin> | And probabyl the batshit LVM one if ubuntu's like Fedora by default |
| 18:56 | <&ToxicFrog> | Since reportedly they have gotten better |
| 18:56 | <&ToxicFrog> | However, it has / and /home on the same partition and then an 8GB swap in its own extended partition for some reason |
| 19:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: are you still running what yours came with or did you install something else? I don't recall. |
| 19:10 | < RichyB> | ToxicFrog: FWIW, I went http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/344 grabbed the shell script listed there and, rather than actually executing it, used it as a checklist to follow to make sure that I got all the steps for a sane encrypted-lvm setup. |
| 19:10 | <&ToxicFrog> | I'm not setting up encrypted LVM nor do I want to, but thanks anyways. |
| 19:11 | < RichyB> | It's less painful than you'd expect. :) |
| 19:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | I know. I've done it before. I just don't want it. |
| 19:12 | < RichyB> | What's the new laptop anyway? |
| 19:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | System 76 Gazelle. |
| 19:16 | < RichyB> | Those look nice. |
| 19:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | it is so far |
| 19:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | I got this one with some of the upgrades, like the hybrid drive and matte screen. |
| 19:21 | < RichyB> | Seriously, matte screen. |
| 19:21 | < RichyB> | I'm never going back to glossy. |
| 19:21 | < RichyB> | I am so very glad that laptop manufacturers have finally started making laptops with non-glossy screens easy to buy again. |
| 19:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | I'm still grumpy that they don't offer 16:10 on anything anymore, though. |
| 19:31 | <&McMartin> | TF: I'm using what it shipped with, which after checking matches what you describe |
| 19:31 | <&McMartin> | I don't have a 12.04 CD image here offhand but I *believe* that Sys76 just runs the Ubuntu 12.04 installer with everything at default |
| 19:31 | <&McMartin> | Which means it also fails to install Flash, MP3 Codecs, and Ubuntu's non-multilib |
| 19:33 | | * TheWatcher was rather pissed that his netbook couldn't sanely do linux because Optimus |
| 19:33 | <@TheWatcher> | Hopefully that'll get addressed soon |
| 19:34 | <&McMartin> | Does gparted let you do live-repartitioning? |
| 19:41 | < RichyB> | TheWatcher: this may sound insane to you, but did you know that the AMD fglrx driver actually supports the power-saving stuff? |
| 19:42 | < RichyB> | As in *supports*. "amdconfig --px-igpu" turns on the Intel GPU, "amdconfig --px-dgpu" turns on the AMD one. |
| 19:43 | < RichyB> | With the official driver and everything. Non-zero hassle because you have to re-start X for it to kick in (yeuch) and there is some bug in how the official driver's packaged which necessitated editing a shell script (double-uech!) but what the Hell. |
| 19:44 | < RichyB> | For me thus far, it's stable and it supports xrandr properly. |
| 19:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: "non-multilib"? |
| 19:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: I don't know, I've never tried it on a filesystem type that supports online resizing. |
| 19:47 | <&McMartin> | Ubuntu doesn't really have proper multilib support |
| 19:47 | <&McMartin> | What it does have is a pile of 32-bit libraries you can mass-install with apt-get install ia32lib or something like that |
| 19:48 | <&McMartin> | And which you need to do if you want downloaded binaries to actually work, because ldd will tell you fuck-all without it |
| 19:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 19:49 | < ErikMesoy> | Suppose I say that MS Paint is like Notepad, and Gimp is like MS Word. What, then, is the drawing program that is like unto WordPad, of moderate power, with common formatting options but without a 30sec start time or a dozen moveable docks with sub-options? |
| 19:49 | <&McMartin> | Early versions of Paint Shop Pro |
| 19:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | Maybe Paint.NET? I don't know much about it but ISTR hearing that it occupies that niche. |
| 19:51 | < Moltare> | I agree with Toxic. |
| 19:51 | < Moltare> | It's my weapon of choice for making whitebox sprites that make our 2D team cry, which has to be worth something as a recommendation. |
| 19:52 | < ErikMesoy> | Thanks. I will try this. |
| 19:52 | | * ToxicFrog proceeds to install All Of LaTeX \o/ |
| 19:52 | < Moltare> | |o/ |
| 20:28 | <~Vornicus> | paint.net is my weapon of choice |
| 20:28 | <~Vornicus> | it has all the power I need and gets going pretty quickly. |
| 21:16 | | * iospace eyes this email from the dept chair |
| 21:16 | < iospace> | "A lady in Cuba City would like some help with her computer. Her son (or some relative, I don't recall for sure), left it in a state she's not happy with. She wants her Skype installation fixed, her printer fixed, and a couple of other things." |
| 21:38 | < simon__> | that reminds me of the requests our student newspaper gets forwarded from our CS dept. whenever they have no idea what to do with it. |
| 21:38 | < simon__> | I think they reasoning is, "maybe if we put it on a news website that students read, someone will do something about it rather than us having to do something about it." |
| 21:47 | < RichyB> | Like a "dear LazyWeb..." post? |
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| 22:04 | < simon__> | RichyB, well, there was a 13-year-old kid who wanted to learn web programming and his mother had contacted the CS department. I tutored him for a while and he caught on pretty quickly. and there was a woman whose barcode scanner was broken and she sought assistance to fix it. |
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| 22:17 | < RichyB> | Sweet. |
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