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| 03:22 | | * McMartin stabs Ubuntu's package manager again. |
| 03:22 | <&McMartin> | Anyone know offhand what package provides Xrandr.h? |
| 03:23 | <&McMartin> | Because it doesn't appear to be libx11-dev. |
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| 03:28 | <&McMartin> | Hm, apparently it's its own thing, which surprises me becuase I thought it was pretty fundamental |
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| 03:47 | <&McMartin> | Mmm. THe Modern OpenGL Tutorials don't build because freeglut doesn't work. |
| 03:48 | <&McMartin> | I'm getting GLX errors. |
| 03:48 | <&McMartin> | But, interestingly, not for the caustics demo the SDK has. |
| 03:48 | <&McMartin> | Just the GLUT demo. |
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| 22:42 | < mac> | If you guys were teaching a class on pyton would you use 3.2.3 or 2.7? |
| 22:43 | < celticminstrel> | I would probably use 2.7 just because it's the version I always use for myself, but for someone else I might recommend 3.x. <_< |
| 22:43 | < Rhamphoryncus> | That's a difficult question. I'd be tempted to use 2.7 but with future imports |
| 22:46 | < mac> | This class will be just to introduce beginners to the basic code structure needed to create programs. Basically I'll be teaching logic, and structures, along with a few other things, it will by no means be a couse on what you can do with python rather, it will be how you can accomplish simple things with coding. |
| 22:51 | < mac> | so you think 3.2.3 would be ok for an into class right, assuming these people are going to move up to something C based or java. |
| 22:51 | <@TheWatcher> | 'up' is an interesting choice of word there~ |
| 22:54 | < mac> | I simply mean progression from learning the basics of coding. Is there something wrong with using "up" to described a level in the depth of work expected. |
| 22:59 | <@TheWatcher> | Nope. But it does imply a superiority. |
| 23:02 | < mac> | Take it how you want to, there is no way for me to have control over student, if they want to pursue python they are free to do so... I rather not see interpreted languages, but thats my bias speaking. |
| 23:05 | < mac> | Certainly your not implying that interpreted languages are faster than compiled languages (c++). Because if you are, you either are using a very inefficient compiled language, were you really like programming with ASM (which is still can be considered to be somewhat compiled) |
| 23:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Good god, who put the chip on your shoulder |
| 23:06 | < mac> | You. |
| 23:09 | <@TheWatcher> | Python is an excellent beginners language, and a good general purpose one. I don't actually like it (for syntactic reasons), but I certainly recognise its value |
| 23:10 | <@TheWatcher> | And I certainly wouldn't claim it is overall inferior or superior to c (java's another matter, but that's a can of worms) - they both have strengths and weaknesses. |
| 23:21 | < mac> | agreed. thanks for you opinions guys i appreciate it. |
| 23:21 | < mac> | thank you* |
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| 23:24 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Main reason I'm not using python for gaming is lack of scaling with threads. For singlethreaded you can drop down to C/C++, which in turn can drop down to assembly |
| 23:27 | <&McMartin> | "Up" there implies to me "more advanced" |
| 23:28 | <&McMartin> | I see mac has left, oh well. |
| 23:28 | <&McMartin> | I'd push 2.7 so that they have something they can immediately use on their home computers. |
| 23:28 | <&McMartin> | Python is the BASIC of our age, in the good way. |
| 23:48 | <@TheWatcher> | Indeed. It's the language I generally recommend people start with these days |
| --- Log closed Mon Sep 03 00:00:16 2012 |