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| 01:07 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Woo matrix math. Gotta scale, rotate around the object's axis, rotate to the normal of the endpoint, and translate to the endpoint |
| 01:08 | <~Vornicus> | Yay matrix math! |
| 01:09 | <~Vornicus> | The miracle of all this is, of course, that you can do this once and keep the matrix, and even if you can't keep the matrix, all three combination operations are the same. |
| 01:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | There's potential ambiguity in the rotation, but I *think* I can pick an arbitrary canonical result for the second rotation, then define the first in relation to that |
| 01:10 | < Rhamphoryncus> | For now I'm sending it via uniform but it'll end up in a VBO for instancing of the model |
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| 07:24 | | * Vornicus fiddles with More Than Machine. Thinks he might be able to make it full-auto. |
| 07:27 | <&McMartin> | XOTHOTHOR |
| 07:28 | <&McMartin> | HE'S IMMUNE TO BULLETS |
| 07:28 | <&McMartin> | AND LOVE |
| 07:28 | <~Vornicus> | heh |
| 07:28 | <&McMartin> | I forget if anyone else made it to XOTHOTHOR. |
| 07:29 | <~Vornicus> | I haven't yet. |
| 07:29 | <~Vornicus> | I'm working on MTM, clearly~ |
| 07:29 | <&McMartin> | Quite so~ |
| 07:29 | <&McMartin> | I don't remember which one MTM is |
| 07:29 | <~Vornicus> | Build a ruby crystal, fire ze lazors. |
| 07:29 | <&McMartin> | Chapter... 6? |
| 07:29 | <~Vornicus> | Yes. |
| 07:37 | | * Vornicus gets half the shell together in an outer reactor, can probably get this done from here. |
| 07:39 | <&McMartin> | omg lazorz pew pew |
| 07:39 | <&McMartin> | I think ch7 is when you finally get flip flops |
| 07:40 | <&McMartin> | which are the stuff |
| 07:53 | <~Vornicus> | More than Machine: less than LAZOR |
| 07:53 | <~Vornicus> | (and yes, I full-auto'd it.) |
| 07:55 | <~Vornicus> | (I could technically put in a xenon delayer circuit, but it's more routing trouble than it's worth... |
| 08:04 | | * Vornicus eyes No Stomach For Lunch. |
| 08:05 | <~Vornicus> | Ethane to Ethene and Hydrogen, in a mini-bonding reactor. |
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| 08:25 | | * McMartin does a dependency graph on WaDF |
| 08:26 | <&McMartin> | It looks like you should be able to get the flight ball without getting the glass ball |
| 08:28 | <~Vornicus> | and also I've got access to Researchnet now and it's absolutely batshit. |
| 08:31 | <&McMartin> | aye |
| 08:31 | <&McMartin> | uses the dlc stuff |
| 08:33 | <~Vornicus> | Some of it is silly - the mazeite one, f'rinstance. |
| 08:34 | <&McMartin> | It's been awhile since I've looked and there is probably stuff in there I haven't seen. |
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| 11:07 | | * TheWatcher args at hs-minor-mode |
| 11:07 | <@TheWatcher> | Bloody thing is going into an infinite loop >.< |
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| 11:36 | < iospace> | TheWatcher: ever intentionally make an infinite loop? :P |
| 11:42 | <@TheWatcher> | Yep. |
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| 15:04 | | * iospace comes into work, checks emails |
| 15:04 | < iospace> | ... yup, i saw that coming XD |
| 15:04 | < iospace> | (we fixed our nightly build scripts, suddenly ALL THE BUILDS FAIL) |
| 15:21 | < rms> | So you broke all your build scripts |
| 15:21 | < rms> | GJ |
| 15:29 | < iospace> | no |
| 15:29 | < iospace> | we fixed them, just the changes made broke |
| 15:29 | < iospace> | or something |
| 15:29 | < iospace> | :D |
| 15:44 | <@TheWatcher> | |
| 15:44 | <@TheWatcher> | Fucking javascript >.< |
| 15:44 | < gnolam> | How does it work? |
| 15:45 | <@Tamber> | Spiders and magic. |
| 15:45 | <@TheWatcher> | And not much magic |
| 15:46 | <@TheWatcher> | Just mostly spiders |
| 15:47 | < gnolam> | Spiders all the way down. |
| 15:48 | <@Tamber> | Until you get to the unspeakable horrors, anyway. |
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| 17:34 | < iospace> | the horrors of using NP++ and Vim... hitting j thinking it scrolls down in Vim :P |
| 17:34 | < iospace> | *NP++ |
| 17:34 | < iospace> | not vim >_> |
| 17:34 | | * iospace is tired, sue her |
| 17:39 | <&jerith> | iospace: http://www.vim.org/download.php#pc |
| 17:41 | < iospace> | i have Vim on here too |
| 17:41 | < iospace> | i use NP++ for generic viewing, Vim for most everything else :P |
| 17:57 | < rms> | vim for everything |
| 17:57 | < rms> | <3 :%!xxd amd :%!xxd -r |
| 17:57 | < rms> | (Those let you hexedit |
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| 20:18 | < iospace> | I hate cPCI |
| 20:18 | < iospace> | the pins are /insanely fragile/ |
| 20:19 | <&McMartin> | c? |
| 20:19 | < iospace> | compact |
| 20:20 | < iospace> | VME's pins are even that fragile |
| 20:20 | <@Vash> | are or aren't |
| 20:20 | <@Vash> | ?* |
| 20:20 | < iospace> | aren't |
| 20:20 | < iospace> | XD |
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| 21:40 | <&Derakon> | Man, why is this refactoring planning frying out my brain so quickly? |
| 21:42 | <&Derakon> | I haven't even written any code yet; just two LJ posts. |
| 21:43 | <&Derakon> | (For a total of 1518 words / 9k characters) |
| 21:47 | <@TheWatcher> | Too much in your head at once? |
| 21:50 | <&Derakon> | I guess. |
| 21:50 | <&Derakon> | I'm trying to rip apart the codependence between the user interface and the hardware control in the microscope program. |
| 21:51 | <&Derakon> | Which means a lot of "UI asks hardware what it can do; hardware returns a list of capabilities that are used to build the UI" and "hardware wants to know when other hardware changes" (necessitating an event-passing system), and so on. |
| 21:51 | | * TheWatcher nod |
| 21:52 | <&Derakon> | Even with some basic assumptions about what kinds of hardware we're dealing with, this is making the UI construction more complicated. |
| 21:52 | <&Derakon> | Currently the UI just knows that there's e.g. five light sources, four cameras, two layered motion systems, etc. |
| 21:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Fairly significant revamp, then |
| 21:53 | <&Derakon> | Yeah. |
| 21:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Hrm |
| 21:53 | <&Derakon> | But the ultimate goal is worth it -- we'll be able to spread this control software to far more users. |
| 21:53 | <&Derakon> | First step is everyone who has a microscope derived from our design (which is licensed and sold, with its own crappy control software, by a third party). |
| 21:54 | <&Derakon> | Second step is everyone with a computer-controlled microscope, period. |
| 21:54 | <@TheWatcher> | Which would be pretty awesome |
| 21:54 | <&Derakon> | Quite. |
| 21:55 | <&Derakon> | (Somehow this dinky little lab that has employed all of three people to write software over the course of its life, only one of whom actually received training in that aspect of their job, has produced a control program that surpasses most commercial efforts in terms of usability...WTF) |
| 21:56 | <@TheWatcher> | My approach, FWIW, would be lots of diagrams at this stage - draw out how it all needs to work, how it is now... but that's just how my brain works on those sorts of problems |
| 21:56 | | * Derakon nods. |
| 21:56 | <&Derakon> | UML diagrams have never really helped me that much. |
| 21:56 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, I never care about UML. |
| 21:56 | <&McMartin> | Death to UML. |
| 21:56 | <&Derakon> | Heh. |
| 21:56 | <@TheWatcher> | I just /draw/ |
| 21:57 | <&McMartin> | There is a book "UML for Java Programmers" |
| 21:57 | <&McMartin> | It is *literally* 75% saying "don't" in various ways. |
| 21:57 | <&Derakon> | I have some vague constructs in my head. |
| 21:57 | <&Derakon> | But they're not really two dimensional. |
| 21:57 | <~Vornicus> | I don't really get why UML is even popular enough that we all know what it stands for. |
| 21:57 | <&Derakon> | More like "I can see a set of buttons, and hiding behind each one is a vague link to some other thing" |
| 21:57 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah, that's a problem I run into a lot. Want a 3D holographi whiteboard, damnit |
| 21:57 | <@TheWatcher> | *holographic |
| 21:57 | <&Derakon> | Heh. |
| 22:13 | < Tarinaky> | Vornicus: UML is easier for a teacher/lecturer to mark than the alternative. |
| 22:14 | < Tarinaky> | The alternative being 500->1,500 lines of badly written Java that, when compiled, spews galleons of error messages suggesting you should be sterilised as a mercy to compilers. |
| 22:14 | < Moltare> | Oh, you've seen our game engine? |
| 22:14 | <&McMartin> | Tarinaky: That's what machine graders are for~ |
| 22:14 | <~Vornicus> | Whole large wooden ships of error messages! |
| 22:15 | < Tarinaky> | Ship of the Damned. |
| 22:15 | <&McMartin> | GIVE 'EM A BROADSIDE |
| 22:15 | < Tarinaky> | Undead bits chanting "PArt of the shippable build, part of the crew." |
| 22:15 | <&Derakon> | The Flying Dutchman of code! |
| 22:16 | <&Derakon> | A program that can never be retired, never be refactored. |
| 22:16 | <&Derakon> | It just keeps shambling on. |
| 22:16 | < Tarinaky> | Isn't that every program ever? |
| 22:16 | <&Derakon> | Only the ones that have been released. |
| 22:17 | < Tarinaky> | McMartin: There's a running gag about one of the web dev modules here being marked by a sapient Perl script. |
| 22:18 | < Tarinaky> | And it becoming skynet after one <blink> tag too many. |
| 22:21 | <@TheWatcher> | Couldn't blame it. |
| 22:27 | < Tarinaky> | I'm not sure conducting machine marking in the same building as robotics research is wise. |
| 22:27 | < Tarinaky> | At least, not first year assignments anyway :p |
| 22:29 | < Tarinaky> | But at least when the robots start trying to run over your feet/bash your shins in... or commit suicide by pulling out their own power cord, we'll know why :p |
| 22:30 | <@TheWatcher> | They dealt with that problem in work by closing the robotics lab ;.; |
| 22:30 | <@TheWatcher> | ('course, they replaced it with a nanotech lab, so hey) |
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