| --- Log opened Wed Aug 22 00:00:15 2012 |
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| 01:53 | | * McMartin installs Windows 8 on one of his work machines. |
| 01:53 | <&McMartin> | :( |
| 01:59 | <@Alek> | I am so sorry to hear that. |
| 01:59 | <@Alek> | ?_? |
| 02:01 | <&McMartin> | After having said that, it manages to make me happy about something in 45 seconds after first login |
| 02:01 | <&McMartin> | (right-click to mount ISOs Just Works out of the box) |
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| 02:08 | <@Alek> | oh, THAT is nice. :) |
| 02:09 | | * Alek had Jelly Bean pushed to his device yesterday. |
| 02:09 | <@Alek> | my first impressions: I don't like it. |
| 02:09 | <@Alek> | text is smaller, especially in the selection fields, in browser. also in browser, autocomplete is broken. |
| 02:10 | <@Alek> | and the window switching is now animated. and laggy. |
| 02:10 | <@Alek> | and it's a tad less responsive to touches. D: |
| 02:11 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 02:12 | <&McMartin> | Phone or tablet? |
| 02:12 | | * McMartin is still on Gingerbread over here. |
| 02:20 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody|gaming |
| 02:31 | <@Alek> | tablet |
| 02:31 | <@Alek> | asus tf300t |
| 02:32 | <@Alek> | I do love it, especially with the dock, but this... |
| 02:33 | <@Alek> | oh, and it's not quite stable. it can spontaneously reboot on occasion, and sometimes an app crashes on opening. but that's from before the update, so I dunno. |
| 02:34 | <@Alek> | even a BUNDLED app, yet, so can't blame that on 3rd party programmers. :P |
| 02:36 | <&McMartin> | Speaking of 3rd party programmers, once I get the Android version of Hex Inverter working, want to help test it >_> |
| 02:46 | <@Alek> | sure. XD |
| 02:49 | | * McMartin is currently testing out the UI flows on Swing. |
| 02:50 | <&McMartin> | Both it and Android seem to make heavy use of worker threads. |
| 02:50 | <&McMartin> | So that should get me a reasonably translatable model/view separation |
| 02:51 | <&McMartin> | Oh! |
| 02:51 | <&McMartin> | This is the 10-inch tablet |
| 02:52 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I've heard that Jellybean is more comfortable on smaller ones. |
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| 03:45 | <&jerith> | I'l try it on my phone. |
| 03:45 | <&jerith> | +l |
| 04:38 | <&McMartin> | This is still some ways off, but I'll be sure to post updates in here |
| 04:39 | | iospace is now known as iospacedout |
| 04:49 | | * Derakon spends ~10 minutes trying to debug a function only to realize that it's not being called...the copy of the function that he moved elsewhere is, and he forgot to delete the original. >.< |
| 04:51 | <&Derakon> | On a related note, for some reason raising exceptions outside of the main thread seems to just cause the thread to silently die; nothing is printed to the console or anything. |
| 04:51 | <&Derakon> | This is mildly distressing. |
| 04:52 | <&McMartin> | language/OS/version? |
| 04:52 | <&McMartin> | Because there's a bug in 10.8 libstdc++ that totally does this -_- |
| 04:52 | <&Derakon> | Python / OSX 10.6.8. |
| 04:53 | <&Derakon> | I'm inclined to blame wxWidgets for this somehow, since a pure-Python test program I just wrote is able to get output from sub-threads just fine. |
| 04:54 | <&Derakon> | (And is also able to ignore SIGKILL, whoops) |
| 04:54 | <&Derakon> | (Er, SIGTERM? I always get those confused) |
| 04:54 | <&McMartin> | SIGKILL is -9 |
| 04:54 | <&Derakon> | Actually what I meant was ^C was ignored. |
| 04:54 | <&Derakon> | `kill` worked fine. |
| 04:55 | <&McMartin> | That's SIGINT. |
| 04:55 | <&Derakon> | D'oh, right. Thanks. |
| 04:55 | <&jerith> | Python has daemon threads and non-daemon threafs. |
| 04:55 | <&jerith> | *threads |
| 04:56 | <&jerith> | I don't recall the difference offhand. |
| 04:56 | <&jerith> | I try to avoid threads. |
| 04:56 | <&Derakon> | This is just threading.Thread; AFAICT there's nothing about its constructor that enables fundamentally different behaviors. |
| 04:56 | <&Derakon> | Unfortunately threads are needed so I can get input from the user without having to end one function and create another one. |
| 04:57 | <&jerith> | I think it's a setting you can set on the thread object. |
| 04:57 | <&McMartin> | oh god |
| 04:57 | <&jerith> | Like I saod, I don't recall. |
| 04:57 | <&Derakon> | Oh hey, this time it printed the exception, despite my not having done anything different. Weird. |
| 04:57 | <&jerith> | *said |
| 04:57 | <&McMartin> | I just had a vision of the UI thread and the game model playing off each other with yield |
| 04:58 | <&Derakon> | Don't joke. |
| 04:58 | <&Derakon> | There's code at work that behaves that way. :( |
| 04:58 | <&McMartin> | Well |
| 04:58 | <&McMartin> | I'm actually a fan of both futures and promises, though those are threads under the hood |
| 04:58 | <&Derakon> | A massive snarl of functions, half of which have to be invoked via "for i in function(...): yield i". |
| 04:59 | <&McMartin> | I was thinking more along the lines of "yield can be used to implement coroutines" |
| 04:59 | <&McMartin> | Which are actually something I suspect you'd be A-OK with there. |
| 04:59 | <&McMartin> | But, well, yield isn't really the best way to do general co-routines, no~ |
| 05:00 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, this is all done so that the experiment code can wait for external events to occur and then pick up where it left off. |
| 05:00 | <&Derakon> | It could all be done trivially with threads except that rewriting the experiment code is particularly hairy. |
| 05:00 | <&Derakon> | Still one of those things I should really get around to at some point. |
| 05:02 | <&Derakon> | ...goddammit I'm an idiot. |
| 05:02 | <&Derakon> | The reason the callback function for this prompt is getting called twice? |
| 05:02 | <&Derakon> | Is because the prompt's resolution code calls it twice. |
| 05:03 | <&Derakon> | self.wrapCallback(direction); if self.callback is not None: return self.wrapCallback(direction) |
| 05:04 | | Kindamoody|gaming is now known as Kindamoody |
| 05:08 | <&Derakon> | Okay, question time. Paste: http://pastebin.com/mfp82sQR |
| 05:09 | <&Derakon> | The problem here is that Python thinks that the "results" referred to on line 7 is a new variable first created on line 12; not the value created on line 5. |
| 05:09 | <&Derakon> | Inserting "global results" before line 5 just means that Python looks for a nonexistent module-scoped variable instead. |
| 05:10 | <&Derakon> | Any way to get Python to use the variable declared on line 5, short of making that variable a list and appending to it instead of setting it on line 12? |
| 05:10 | <&Derakon> | Because that works, but it seems hackish. |
| 05:12 | | * Vornicus has never actually done defs that way. |
| 05:12 | <&Derakon> | I've done it mostly for functions that can't be lambdas but are only relevant within another function. It's pretty rare. |
| 05:17 | <&Derakon> | So, any better suggestions? |
| 05:18 | <~Vornicus> | None. |
| 05:19 | <&Derakon> | I guess the list approach, then. Bleh. |
| 05:23 | <&jerith> | Closures? |
| 05:24 | | * jerith only has a couple of lines of context. |
| 05:25 | <~Vornicus> | He's trying to make it a closure, from what I can tell |
| 05:25 | <&jerith> | Mutable vars are kind of the idiom to modify things in the enclosing scope. |
| 05:26 | <~Vornicus> | But it's not working right: he's got code that goes a = None; def foo(): if a: ...; a = bar; |
| 05:26 | <&jerith> | But needing to do that is a bit of a smell. |
| 05:26 | <~Vornicus> | and it's complaining about, of course, access before assign. |
| 05:27 | <&Derakon> | Because the internal function has its own scoping. |
| 05:27 | <&jerith> | Yeah, assigning in the inner scope makes a new variable. |
| 05:27 | <&Derakon> | More importantly, Python only looks in that scope for variables. |
| 05:28 | <&Derakon> | There's no inherited scope. |
| 05:29 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The nonlocal keyword is what you want, and it's pretty new |
| 05:29 | <&jerith> | Closures copy values, not references. |
| 05:29 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, my Python doesn't recognize "nonlocal". |
| 05:30 | <&jerith> | So you can read from the enclosing scope, but assignment rebinds the name. |
| 05:32 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Modifying a list is your best bet I'm afraid |
| 05:32 | | * Derakon puts a disclaimer above it explaining what's going on, shrugs. |
| 05:32 | <&Derakon> | There are currently 34 instances of the string "\todo" in Pyrel. |
| 05:33 | <&jerith> | Rhamphoryncus: We're talking about Python here, not your crazy new language with 3 in it.~ |
| 05:33 | <~Vornicus> | Nonlocal is PEP3104, and is in 3.0 |
| 05:33 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I wasn't sure on the versions when I mentioned it |
| 05:37 | <&Derakon> | ...ah, yes, and another feature I've wanted for awhile: decorators that are specific to a given class instance. |
| 05:37 | <&Derakon> | So I can do "@self.invokeCallbackOnCompletion" just before a function definition. |
| 05:37 | <&Derakon> | Of course, "self" isn't defined at that point... |
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| 05:47 | <&Derakon> | Man, I still love that I can ask Pyrel for relevant objects by doing e.g. "targets = self.gameMap.getContainer((pos[0] + dx, pos[1] + dy)).filter(container.OPENABLES)" |
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| 14:15 | | * gnolam is now hoping to get into Big Nuclear's pocket. |
| 14:27 | | * Tarinaky is headdesking at the last release of SDL being over 10 years old and no decent documentation for the version they really should have released more incrementally. |
| 14:28 | < Tarinaky> | Rather than making everyone await the second coming. >.> |
| 14:30 | < gnolam> | Tarinaky: s/release/major version :P |
| 14:36 | < Tarinaky> | What're my options? |
| 14:39 | < AnnoDomini> | Recurse, sinner! The endp is nigh! |
| 14:46 | | * TheWatcher passes AD into Cthulhu() |
| 14:50 | < AnnoDomini> | Cthulhu() doesn't take arguments! |
| 14:51 | < Tarinaky> | #include "kinginyellow.h" |
| 14:59 | < iospace> | OHSHIT |
| 14:59 | <&McMartin> | hasattr() hasattr() hasattr() |
| 15:00 | <&McMartin> | Also, what the shit |
| 15:00 | <&McMartin> | Why is Java being the most convenient way to do something |
| 15:00 | < AnnoDomini> | Statistics. |
| 15:00 | <&McMartin> | (In this case, the javax.imageio.ImageIO class) |
| 15:01 | <&McMartin> | YOU THERE, WRITABLE ARGB ARRAY FROM THIS PNG |
| 15:02 | <&McMartin> | NOW WRITE IT TO THIS OTHER PNG |
| 15:02 | <&McMartin> | KTHX |
| 15:02 | <&McMartin> | The Swing port of Hex Inverter proceeds |
| 15:02 | <&McMartin> | It's going to have some awful bits |
| 15:03 | <&McMartin> | But they'll be my fault, not Java's~ |
| 15:04 | <&McMartin> | (I'm using a lot of integer arrays where I "shouldn't" because that will be easier to serialize out later when dealing with Android's process management) |
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| 15:38 | < Tarinaky> | Okay. I may, or may not, be getting a context :/ |
| 15:45 | < Tarinaky> | Nope. I don't think it's creating a context. |
| 15:45 | < Tarinaky> | God fucking damn it. |
| 15:48 | < Tarinaky> | Argh |
| 15:58 | < Tarinaky> | I need a replacement for SDL. It's useless. |
| 16:00 | <@TheWatcher> | Unity?~ |
| 16:00 | <@TheWatcher> | Depends what you want to do, really. |
| 16:01 | < Tarinaky> | Handle input and window creation mostly. |
| 16:01 | <@TheWatcher> | For what? |
| 16:01 | < Tarinaky> | For an OpenGL4 context |
| 16:02 | < Tarinaky> | So I can learn GLSL and low-ish level graphics. |
| 16:03 | <@TheWatcher> | GLUT?~ |
| 16:03 | < Tarinaky> | Seriously :/ |
| 16:06 | <@TheWatcher> | I tend to just use SDL1.2 + OpenGL2.1, so I can't really suggest. Never really bothered looking at opengl4 |
| 16:06 | <@TheWatcher> | or SDL 2, 1.3 whateverthey'recallingitnow |
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| 16:09 | < Tarinaky> | SDL1.2 is over ten years old. This is not good. |
| 16:09 | | * TheWatcher shrug |
| 16:09 | <@TheWatcher> | It works. |
| 16:10 | < Tarinaky> | No it doesn't, it doesn't support modern openGL. :p |
| 16:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Mouse input only half-works too |
| 16:16 | <@TheWatcher> | Tarinaky: I note that a google search will given you a number of hits telling you how to get an opengl 3 context in sdl 1.2, I can't imagine opengl 4 will be much harder |
| 16:18 | <@TheWatcher> | Alternatively, try GLFW? |
| 16:19 | < Tarinaky> | TheWatcher: They don't actually work though >.> |
| 16:19 | < Tarinaky> | I'll try GLFW. |
| 16:28 | < Tarinaky> | Exept the functions that are supposed to be in the header file aren't. |
| 16:28 | < Tarinaky> | Great. |
| 16:30 | < Tarinaky> | undefined reference to `glfwInit' I'm staring right at the prototype in the header file you stupid compiler! |
| 16:31 | <@TheWatcher> | O.o |
| 16:33 | <@TheWatcher> | What're you trying to to use it from? |
| 16:33 | <@TheWatcher> | (ie: which compiler/environment) |
| 16:33 | < Tarinaky> | Mingw. |
| 16:33 | < Tarinaky> | The headers are in Mingw's include folder. |
| 16:33 | < Tarinaky> | I am #including them. |
| 16:33 | < Tarinaky> | With the "" form. |
| 16:34 | | * iospace stabs Tcl |
| 16:34 | < iospace> | why you no find file! |
| 16:35 | < iospace> | and yes, it's in the path and shit |
| 16:35 | < iospace> | just when i run the script it seems to disregard everything |
| 16:35 | < iospace> | :< |
| 16:42 | < sshine> | iospace, #include "foo" doesn't need to be in path, but is relative to CWD. |
| 16:42 | < iospace> | CWD? |
| 16:42 | < iospace> | and this is Tcl |
| 16:43 | < iospace> | not C :P |
| 16:43 | < sshine> | I didn't know Tcl had #include directives :) |
| 16:43 | < iospace> | sourc |
| 16:43 | < sshine> | ah. |
| 16:43 | < iospace> | *source |
| 16:43 | < sshine> | doesn't source rely on CWD as well? |
| 16:43 | < iospace> | now i don't know if source itself is working because it goes "cannot find file" |
| 16:44 | < iospace> | CWD? |
| 16:44 | < sshine> | current working-directory |
| 16:44 | < iospace> | it's in the CWD |
| 16:47 | < sshine> | ~/tmp >> cat foo.tcl |
| 16:47 | < sshine> | puts "This is foo" |
| 16:47 | < sshine> | source bar.tcl |
| 16:47 | < sshine> | ~/tmp >> cat bar.tcl |
| 16:47 | < sshine> | puts "This is bar" |
| 16:50 | < iospace> | heh |
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| 17:30 | < sshine> | iospace, is it more complex than that? |
| 17:32 | < iospace> | yeah |
| 17:32 | < iospace> | a /lot/ more |
| 17:33 | < iospace> | i'm also working on something else atm :P |
| 17:35 | < Tarinaky> | C++'s #include directive isn't relative to the CWD. |
| 17:35 | < Tarinaky> | That'd be too simple. |
| 17:36 | < Tarinaky> | #include "foo" searches the directory containing the file it is encountered in. |
| 17:36 | < Tarinaky> | Then it searches every directory containing a file already included. |
| 17:36 | < Tarinaky> | Then it searches the compiler's include path. |
| 17:37 | < Tarinaky> | *encountered while compiling. |
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| 19:50 | < iospace> | ... |
| 19:51 | | * iospace eyes teh email she just got from Quality |
| 19:51 | < iospace> | " |
| 19:51 | < iospace> | "The company will soon be issuing employee ID badges for all employees, and a new set of head shots need to be taken. This means that tonight is the night to practice your best blue steel pose" |
| 19:52 | <&jerith> | Someone's been watching Zoolander. |
| 19:52 | < iospace> | yup |
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| 21:20 | | * iospace eyes this script |
| 21:20 | < iospace> | WORK OR I WILL GOUGE YOUR FUNCTIONS OUT WITH A RUSTY SPORK |
| 21:25 | < sshine> | hehe |
| 21:26 | < iospace> | ^_^ |
| 21:27 | < iospace> | there's timing issues and it's /frustrating/ |
| 21:59 | < rms> | Timing? Like a race condition? |
| 22:04 | < iospace> | it's an expect like script in that it waits for a certain line to appear on the screen. In this case it's supposed to enter a keystroke to access the startup utility |
| 22:04 | < iospace> | sometimes the keystroke is not registered |
| 22:08 | | * iospace head desks |
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| 23:50 | <&McMartin> | Hooray |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | I need to mock up a challenge-response authentication server |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | I *could* use boring pretend RSA tokens that are just hardcoded or whatever |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | *or*, I could use the Bridgekeeper dialog from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. |
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