| --- Log opened Fri May 25 00:00:45 2012 |
| 00:05 | < celticminstrel> | Blargh. Soon I will need to worry about text input in SDL... |
| 00:12 | < celticminstrel> | ...but first, supper. |
| 00:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | oh god, the horror! http://www.gamedev.net/topic/561603-sending-a-sdl_surface/ |
| 00:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Trying to transmit an SDL_Surface across the network.. by casting the SDL_Surface * to a char *, transmitting what it points then, then casting back on the other end |
| 00:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Strangely enough it works locally but not across the network :P |
| 00:16 | < celticminstrel> | ... |
| 00:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | |
| 00:19 | <~Vornicus> | why would you do that |
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| 00:24 | < Rhamphoryncus> | total ignorance |
| 00:31 | <&McMartin> | Kind of surprised it even works locally |
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| 01:02 | <~Vornicus> | hooray, math. 1250 * (263321+11* sqrt(526521))/108241 |
| 01:02 | <~Vornicus> | this is the least nice number I've encountered in weeks. |
| 01:02 | <&Derakon> | 3133.087... |
| 01:03 | <&Derakon> | What is this for? |
| 01:04 | <~Vornicus> | It's the answer to a problem in a textbook. |
| 01:05 | <~Vornicus> | Come to that it's one of the worst numbers I've encountered in a textbook, ever. |
| 01:05 | <&Derakon> | Ick. |
| 01:10 | < gnolam> | Rhamphoryncus: ... yeah, you just Shouldn't Do That. |
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| 01:42 | <&McMartin> | Crud, this is too simplistic. |
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| 04:22 | < ____> | Blarg. |
| 04:23 | < ____> | I'm actually surprised the server let me take this nick |
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| 04:29 | <@Vash> | hah |
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| 05:10 | < Noah> | Finally manning up and watching the old Sherlock Holmes episodes |
| 05:11 | < Noah> | And it's so old, I can hear the reel clicking |
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| 07:46 | <&McMartin> | The 65c02 has an opcode named BRA |
| 07:46 | <&McMartin> | Good thing I'm no longer 12. |
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| 08:47 | <&McMartin> | OH man |
| 08:47 | <&McMartin> | http://fogus.me/fun/marginalia/ |
| 08:47 | <&McMartin> | Want this for Python now plz |
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| 09:02 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Isn't that just something like Sphinx? |
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| 10:34 | <&McMartin> | I'm not familiar with Sphinx |
| 10:36 | | * McMartin googles it up. |
| 10:36 | <&McMartin> | Not quite the same, but very nice. |
| 10:37 | <&McMartin> | Sphinx looks more like Doxygen, while Marginalia seems to encourage something a bit more literate. |
| 10:37 | | * McMartin tends to treat I7 as a literate tool even though it strictly speaking isn't. |
| 10:39 | <&McMartin> | Ha ha ha |
| 10:39 | <&McMartin> | "Ensure that the directory specified by path exists. If not then make it so. Here is a snowman ?" |
| 10:40 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Sphinx is a documentation generation system. It has an autodoc plugin that fetches doctrings for you. |
| 10:41 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 10:41 | <&McMartin> | Marginalia feels more like an "annotated tour of the source code" approach to this than just autodoc |
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| 10:47 | <&jerith> | If I'm after an annotated tour of the code, I go look at the code. Sphinx is there for API docs (which really should live very close to the code) and general docs (which should live near the code, but not in it). |
| 10:47 | <&jerith> | The API docs can very easily link to a pretty HTML view of the code, IIRC. |
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| 11:42 | <&jerith> | 11:47 <&jerith> If I'm after an annotated tour of the code, I go look at the code. Sphinx is there for API docs (which really should live very close to the code) and general docs (which should live near the code, but not in it). |
| 11:42 | <&jerith> | 11:47 <&jerith> The API docs can very easily link to a pretty HTML view of the code, IIRC. |
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| 14:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | After some more fiddling around with clojure-clr I have concluded that something is wrong with my environment |
| 14:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because even really simple tutorial examples fail to compile with incomprehensible error messages |
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| 14:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Does the same thing on Orias with mono 2.10 :/ |
| 14:44 | <@TheWatcher> | Maybe it just hates you~ |
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| 15:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh, hang on |
| 15:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | The compiler actually generates the exe |
| 15:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | But then it crashes |
| 15:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | idkwtf |
| 15:46 | | * Tamber takes ToxicFrog out of pinkfreud-mode |
| 15:48 | <&jerith> | ToxicFrog: Is it looking at the fact that it managed to generate output and going "zOMG! I did it! EXCITEM*die*"? |
| 15:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | ben@thoth ~/devel/clojure-clr $ mono fileb.exe |
| 15:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | hi from fileb |
| 15:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | hi from filea |
| 15:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | jerith: who knows |
| 15:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | $ mono Clojure.Compile.exe fileb |
| 15:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Compiling fileb to .System.ArgumentNullException: Argument cannot be null. |
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| 17:24 | < gnolam> | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/no-cost-desktop-software-d evelopment-is-dead-on-windows-8/ |
| 17:24 | < gnolam> | ... |
| 17:27 | < froztbyte> | haha |
| 17:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | o.O |
| 17:32 | < Noah> | I'm not sure if that headline CAN be correct |
| 17:32 | < Noah> | I mean, you can develop software in other languages, and you don't have to use Microsoft's tools |
| 17:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, what they actually mean is "no cost desktop software development using Visual Studio is dead on win8" |
| 17:39 | < iofficespace> | heh |
| 17:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | They make a big deal about how this makes it harder for newbies, which I don't buy; newbies aren't using Visual Studio anyways. |
| 17:45 | < iofficespace> | yeah |
| 17:45 | < iofficespace> | i think it's more of "OMG MICRO$OFT! |
| 17:45 | < iofficespace> | now if Apple did it no one would give two shits |
| 17:45 | < iofficespace> | cause seriously, who codes using a mac ;) |
| 17:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | People developing for iOS. |
| 17:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | (because there are no good cross-compilers) |
| 17:47 | < iofficespace> | touche |
| 17:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | But yeah, I only really see this being an issue for (a) (semi-)experienced developers of (b) windows desktop applications who (c) prefer or are somehow required to use Visual Studio and (d) use the Express version. |
| 17:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...well, ok, that, and cross-platform apps that use VS rather than monodevelop or mingw-gcc or the like for the windows build. |
| 17:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | People using non-VS languages will be completely unaffected, people using VS in a corporate environment probably aren't using Express anyways. |
| 17:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | iofficespace: also I had a crazy and that should have read "for OSX", I think there are actually iOS dev tools for linux~ |
| 18:04 | < celticminstrel> | Didn't Apple already try charging for XCode? |
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| 18:24 | < Rhamphoryncus> | augh. Why is it so complicated to load a bloody png?! |
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| 18:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rhamphoryncus: if you're using C/++, yeah |
| 18:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you're using a JVM, CLR, or interpreted language the issue doesn't arise anyways |
| 18:27 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yup :/ |
| 18:27 | < Rhamphoryncus> | because the libpng API is idiotic |
| 18:28 | < Rhamphoryncus> | and SDL image is slightly broken |
| 18:28 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Looks like my best option is to save my 8-bit greyscale PNG as RGB, then extract one of the channels after loading |
| 18:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | How is it broken? |
| 18:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | I've never had any trouble loading PNGs with SDL_Image. |
| 18:34 | < gnolam> | What TF said. I have plenty of issues with SDL in general, but SDL_Image has never given me any trouble. |
| 18:43 | < Rhamphoryncus> | 8-bit greyscale |
| 18:43 | < Rhamphoryncus> | failed with out of memory |
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| 18:47 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Maybe I can fix it myself |
| 18:58 | < froztbyte> | that sounds like a weird error |
| 18:58 | < froztbyte> | since it's not a particularly complex way of storing image data |
| 18:59 | < gnolam> | And you've initialized SDL_Image? |
| 19:01 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Yes, it's fine for RGB images |
| 19:01 | < Rhamphoryncus> | There were some semi-recent fixes to it, as well as a followup due to a regression |
| 19:01 | < Rhamphoryncus> | and I'm looking at an open report on 1-bit greyscale right now |
| 19:11 | | * Rhamphoryncus browses IMG_png.c (sdl image), founds out the standard way of doing error handling with libpng is through setjmp/longjmp |
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| 19:48 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It is an SDL bug. It doesn't have a pixel format for greyscale |
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| 20:48 | <&jerith> | 21:47 * sdehaan comes across dummy_consumer_factory_factory_factory() again |
| 20:49 | <&jerith> | Why yes, I *did* write a function called dummy_consumer_factory_factory_factory(). The name is accurate. |
| 20:49 | <&jerith> | It was also the least horrible way to solve that particular problem. ;_; |
| 20:50 | <@TheWatcher> | |
| 20:51 | <@TheWatcher> | ouch |
| 20:52 | < Noah> | wtf |
| 20:52 | < Noah> | Does it create a factory cube? |
| 20:52 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It it alive? |
| 20:53 | <&jerith> | It's a convoluted mechanism to inject stuff into a test. |
| 20:53 | <&jerith> | We have a DummyConsumer class, which needs to be instantiated and then modified. |
| 20:53 | < Noah> | It sounds dangerous. Is it beating you at chess? |
| 20:54 | <&jerith> | Thus, a dummy_consumer_factory(). |
| 20:55 | <&jerith> | However, the modifications depend on where it's being used, so we need a closure around this to provide the correct bits. factory_factory(). |
| 20:56 | <&jerith> | I forget why we need the third factory to make factory_factories, but there was no escaping. |
| 20:57 | < Noah> | Might as well take it to a fourth factory, and end the world |
| 20:58 | <&jerith> | Noah: If I have more than 79 characters on a line, my tools complain. |
| 21:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | If you have more than 2 factories your IRC compatriots complain ;) |
| 21:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Also, science: always better when it involves lighting things on fire |
| 21:18 | <&jerith> | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/no-cost-desktop-software-d evelopment-is-dead-on-windows-8/ |
| 21:19 | < Rhamphoryncus> | My keyboard has a "silicone" cover on it. However, the keyboard underneath has somehow collected an unexpected amount of oil from my skin |
| 21:19 | < Rhamphoryncus> | So.. cut off a strip, went outside, and lit it on fire. Nope, not silicone :) |
| 21:21 | < iofficespace> | jerith: that was linked already I believe |
| 21:21 | < Noah> | Yea, by gnolam |
| 21:21 | < Noah> | We even had a discussion and everything |
| 21:21 | <&jerith> | Ah. |
| 21:22 | <&jerith> | This is what I get for not reading the scrool. |
| 21:23 | | * iofficespace pats jerith |
| 21:23 | <&jerith> | Charging for the primary set of dev tools for your platform is incredibly stupid. |
| 21:23 | <@TheWatcher> | Yes, yes it is. |
| 21:24 | | * jerith buries his head in iofficespace's bosoms and weeps. |
| 21:24 | <@TheWatcher> | Especially when the alternatives tend to be pretty painful to get working reliably. |
| 21:24 | <@TheWatcher> | (I'm looking at you, MinGW) |
| 21:25 | <@Tamber> | Wouldn't that work in their favour, though? |
| 21:25 | <@Tamber> | "You can either work for weeks to get this working, or just pay $howevermuch and have it Just Work(TM)"? |
| 21:26 | < Noah> | I think it's like $500 |
| 21:26 | <&jerith> | "Screw it, I just won't write the code." |
| 21:26 | < Noah> | "Python." |
| 21:27 | <@Tamber> | "Fuck it, web app" :p |
| 21:27 | <&jerith> | Hard to write a proper native app in Python. |
| 21:27 | < Noah> | Tamber> "Fuck it, perl" :p |
| 21:27 | <@Tamber> | :) |
| 21:27 | <@Tamber> | Hey, I do that *anyway* |
| 21:27 | <@Tamber> | But then, I'm not on Windows. |
| 21:28 | <&jerith> | Hard to write a proper app in Perl.~ |
| 21:28 | <@TheWatcher> | Too true. |
| 21:28 | <@Tamber> | It's in /usr/local/bin, it's a proper app. >:| |
| 21:28 | <@Tamber> | :p |
| 21:28 | <@TheWatcher> | Heh |
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| 21:30 | < maoranma> | So, I guess I'll be using Windows 7... for... |
| 21:30 | < maoranma> | Ever? |
| 21:30 | < maoranma> | Unless 9 doesn't suck |
| 21:31 | < maoranma> | Maybe Windows X will be awesome |
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| 21:32 | | * TheWatcher notes the WinME Effect. |
| 21:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Noah: you could switch to Linux~ |
| 21:34 | < Noah> | I tried that |
| 21:34 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[afk] |
| 21:35 | < celticminstrel> | Why on earth am I randomly getting a SIGTRAP! |
| 21:35 | < celticminstrel> | Leading to "unexpectedly quit" |
| 21:35 | <&jerith> | celticminstrel: Is Admiral Ackbar patrolling your kernel? |
| 21:35 | | * Tamber moves the bear-trap out of the way. |
| 21:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: that's weird, SIGTRAP is normally a debugging signal |
| 21:36 | < celticminstrel> | Well, I was debugging at the time... |
| 21:36 | < celticminstrel> | I was stepping through and then "unexpectedly quit". |
| 21:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also, Tamber, TheWatcher[afk] -- mingw on linux is actually really easy to get working and then you have a full-power cross compiler. |
| 21:37 | < celticminstrel> | Restarting XCode. |
| 21:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or you can get with the 21st century and use a CLR, JVM, or interpreted language~ |
| 21:37 | | * Tamber files in "Useful, but will forget before ever using" |
| 21:37 | < iofficespace> | IT'S A SIGTARP |
| 21:37 | < iofficespace> | >_> |
| 21:37 | < iofficespace> | <_< |
| 21:37 | | * ToxicFrog runs over iospace with a gdb |
| 21:37 | | * iofficespace bashes ToxicFrog |
| 21:38 | <@Tamber> | Plus, if Win8 starts to get popular, I may just make a career out of selling bondage gear~ :p |
| 21:39 | <@Tamber> | It'll at least give the masochists something to do other than try support it~ |
| 21:39 | < iofficespace> | Tamber: that's nothing |
| 21:41 | < Attilla> | what does Win8 do anyway |
| 21:41 | < Attilla> | i hear it is... lacking things |
| 21:41 | <@Tamber> | It confounds everyone who expected to get any work done on it. |
| 21:41 | < Attilla> | are businesses snapping it up? |
| 21:42 | < Noah> | *snort* |
| 21:42 | <@Tamber> | If you mean the discs, so nobody tries installing it, maybe. |
| 21:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Attilla: reportedly, it works better on a tablet than win7 and, um, that's about it |
| 21:42 | < Noah> | S-sorry, I laughed so hard saliva came out my nose |
| 21:42 | < Attilla> | they take them into the forest to burn them |
| 21:43 | < Noah> | I mean, the still have the start button, but it comes up with this full screen metro crap, it's rather jarring |
| 21:43 | < Attilla> | ToxicFrog maybe Microsoft are ahead of their time! Like in 20 years everything will be done on tablets, whether these tablets will be the actual computers or if they are terminals so the business network will vary |
| 21:43 | < Attilla> | it will be very futuristic |
| 21:44 | < Noah> | Everything being sans keyboard? I think voice input would have to get far better |
| 21:46 | < Noah> | Blah, second person to not give me a tracking code |
| 22:01 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ... I think I'd have been more productive writing my own perlin noise generator to generate a heightmap, rather than using gimp to do it |
| 22:10 | < celticminstrel> | Blargh, I need to figure out why it won't compile with the C++0x library... |
| 22:11 | < celticminstrel> | Sure, I can define move() myself, but why would I want to? |
| 22:12 | < celticminstrel> | First thing... apparently trying to instantiate a vector of a custom type throws an obscure template error... |
| 22:32 | < celticminstrel> | ...seems like the entire mess resulted from me defining my own swap(). |
| 22:41 | | iofficespace is now known as iospace|afk |
| 22:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Are you using "using std;"? |
| 22:56 | < Tarinaky> | Shouldn't that be using namespace std; if you're importing a whole namespace? |
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| 23:08 | < Rhamphoryncus> | oops, yes |
| 23:08 | < Rhamphoryncus> | As you can see I'm highly familiar with it |
| 23:08 | <&McMartin> | please do not use namespace std |
| 23:08 | <&McMartin> | while it makes c++ less like java it does so by making it more like perl |
| 23:10 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 23:12 | < celticminstrel> | My general convention is to put "using namespace std" in my source files (usually) but never in the header files. |
| 23:12 | < celticminstrel> | I'm getting errors in the Boost filesystem library... maybe I need to build it myself against the different C++ library... |
| 23:17 | < celticminstrel> | It's a segfault when Boost tries to access string::empty(). |
| 23:17 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, that's a strong hint that its idea of what a std::string is and what yours is are different. |
| 23:17 | < celticminstrel> | Alright then. :/ |
| 23:19 | <&McMartin> | Alternately, that you're playing silly buggers with reinterpret_cast<std::string> and are being rewarded as a traitor deserves |
| 23:19 | | * celticminstrel vaguely wonders whether it should go in /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib... why are there so many choices, anyway? |
| 23:19 | <@Tamber> | Historical raisins. |
| 23:19 | <&McMartin> | Under Control of Network Administrator vs. Under Control of Console Superuser. |
| 23:19 | < celticminstrel> | I'm not using reinterpret_cast, but this is Boost that's causing trouble. I have no idea what it's doing. |
| 23:19 | < celticminstrel> | Uh, which is which then... |
| 23:19 | <&McMartin> | For a single user, /usr/lib is where stuff you don't mind if OS upgrades annihilate goes. |
| 23:20 | < celticminstrel> | wxPython appears to be in local. |
| 23:20 | <&McMartin> | /usr/local/ is where Your Stuff goes, traditionally |
| 23:20 | < celticminstrel> | Oh okay. |
| 23:21 | < celticminstrel> | Why doesn't the C++0x tuple define get as a member function? |
| 23:21 | <&McMartin> | Got me |
| 23:21 | < JBeshir> | celticminstrel: You wouldn't get it. |
| 23:21 | < celticminstrel> | Boost did, but the standard doesn't appear to. |
| 23:22 | < JBeshir> | (I don't actually know. I don't get it either.) |
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| 23:34 | < celticminstrel> | Heh, the shell-script failed due to CRLF. |
| 23:34 | < celticminstrel> | Saying "bad interpreter". |
| 23:42 | < celticminstrel> | This was pretty easy to do once I actually figured out how. |
| 23:44 | < celticminstrel> | Boost.Python generated a ton of warnings. |
| 23:53 | < celticminstrel> | I wish this had some kind of status saying how close it is to being done. |
| 23:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | The last two pages of chat: Why I No Longer Use C++ |
| 23:54 | < celticminstrel> | Hehe. |
| 23:54 | < celticminstrel> | Oh it's done. |
| 23:57 | < celticminstrel> | And of course it now works. Yay. |
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