| --- Log opened Sun Apr 01 00:00:31 2012 |
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| 01:01 | < Noah> | Better get some roms tonight so I have stuff to avoid the internet tomorrow |
| 01:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | What's wrong with the - oh, right. |
| 01:04 | < Noah> | Yea, now you remember |
| 01:04 | < Noah> | I mean, it's been a whole year, so I can understand |
| 01:05 | < Noah> | And a leap year at that, so the potency has had a whole extra day to stew |
| 01:07 | < celticminstrel> | ? |
| 01:11 | < Noah> | celticminstrel: What comes before April 2nd? |
| 01:12 | < celticminstrel> | March 31st? :P |
| 01:12 | < Noah> | No, March 32nd |
| 01:12 | < celticminstrel> | Heh. |
| 01:12 | <&McMartin> | Lying on the Internet Day |
| 01:13 | < Noah> | McMartin: It's always that day |
| 01:13 | < celticminstrel> | Oh it's the 31st today. |
| 01:13 | < Noah> | celticminstrel: Welcome to today, here is your coffee |
| 01:13 | < celticminstrel> | Euch. |
| 01:13 | < Noah> | It has vodka in it |
| 01:14 | | * celticminstrel prefers tea, preferably spiced. |
| 01:14 | < Noah> | Spiced...with vodka? |
| 01:15 | < celticminstrel> | No. With spices. |
| 01:15 | < celticminstrel> | Like cinnamon and stuff. |
| 01:15 | < Noah> | Cinnamon vodka? |
| 01:16 | < celticminstrel> | No. No vodka. Bad Noah. |
| 01:16 | < Noah> | :( |
| 01:16 | < Noah> | brb, checking internet for cinnamon vodka before Everything Is False. |
| 01:17 | <&McMartin> | It is a thing; I have seen billboards for it in San Francisco. |
| 01:17 | < Noah> | Sweet |
| 01:17 | <&McMartin> | It would not surprise me, though, if it were a thing one generally did to shitty vodka. |
| 01:17 | < Noah> | I've had cinnamon whiskey before, but not with vodka |
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| 01:22 | | Noah is now known as Noah{DNF} |
| 01:22 | < Noah{DNF}> | There, I have Do Not Fool mode on, so no fooling, hokay? |
| 01:25 | <&McMartin> | No, don't play Duke Nukem Forever; you still have so much to live for~ |
| 01:25 | < Noah{DNF}> | I've got a torrent of 8000 NES roms, I think I'm good |
| 01:28 | | * McMartin suggests becoming Noah{ZANAC} |
| 01:31 | < Noah{DNF}> | Like the NES sh'mup? |
| 01:34 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 01:34 | <&McMartin> | (As it happens, my favorite shmup of the 80s) |
| 01:35 | < Noah{DNF}> | I'll have to try it |
| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | Get a FAQ for at least the basics, though - the in-game mechanics are... a little opaque. |
| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | (In particular, all powerups are just numerically indicated and boost or switch your secondary fire, depending.) |
| 01:36 | < celticminstrel> | XD |
| 01:36 | <&McMartin> | (The default weapon - weapon 0 - is omnidirectional and when boosted hard enough cancels bullets, so it's actually pretty good; it and weapon 7 - the "pulse laser", which has a lesser field of fire but cancels bullets from the word go, are my two go-to weapons.) |
| 01:36 | < celticminstrel> | 8000 NES sounds like too many though. <_< |
| 01:36 | < celticminstrel> | ^NES ROMs. |
| 01:36 | <&McMartin> | This probably includes those horrible unlicensed 473-in-1 things. |
| 01:36 | < celticminstrel> | ? |
| 01:37 | < Noah{DNF}> | And copies for every region, and versions, and hacks |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | celticminstrel: There was a grey market of shovelware on bootleg circuit boards back in the day, more or less |
| 01:37 | < celticminstrel> | I bet half of them are modded games. |
| 01:37 | < celticminstrel> | 473-in-1 what? |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | Advertised huge numbers of games on one cart, all of which are basically the same game but with different sprites. |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | As in, 473 games on one cart. |
| 01:37 | < Noah{DNF}> | Probably, but the file is fairly small, so it's worth checking out |
| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | Noah: Yeah; this is me warning you that despite it being my favorite shmup of the 80s, playing it cold is likely to be a baffling and not very fun experience |
| 01:38 | < Noah{DNF}> | And often those carts had many bugs, making most of the games fairly unplayable |
| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | Though if you enjoy the challenge of figuring out what the Hell is going on, by all means; I'll be happy to compare notes later. |
| 01:40 | <&McMartin> | I've been considering setting up and running a video LP of it at some point, but before I do that I have to get good enough again at it to be able to play through it. |
| 01:40 | < Noah{DNF}> | I died on the first level of Super Mario World (left of Yoshi's house) |
| 01:40 | < Noah{DNF}> | So I must be horribly rusty |
| 01:46 | <&McMartin> | Did you ever play Tyrian, that old shareware shooter from the 90s? |
| 01:47 | <&McMartin> | (I ask because it's better known, as one of GOG's free downloads, and because it believed itself to owe a debt to Zanac that in practice it really doesn't.) |
| 01:47 | <&McMartin> | (But it borrowed a few musical stings from it as homage) |
| 02:16 | < Noah{DNF}> | Yea, I have |
| 02:16 | < Tarinaky> | There's also a FOSS version of Tyrian. |
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| 02:33 | < Noah{DNF}> | Oh cracked.com, you so duuuumb |
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| 02:41 | < celticminstrel> | ? |
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| 02:47 | <@Alek> | what happened, noah? |
| 02:49 | < Noah{DNF}> | Hm? |
| 02:49 | < Noah{DNF}> | Cracked.com? It's a humor site |
| 02:53 | <@Alek> | I know that. |
| 02:53 | <@Alek> | but what prompted the outburst, THIS time? :P |
| 02:54 | < Noah{DNF}> | Oh |
| 02:54 | < Noah{DNF}> | Spiderman is about semen and puberty. |
| 02:55 | <@Alek> | pfft. |
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| 04:13 | < Noah{DNF}> | "He'd wandered around the "no rules" server like a fantasy Forrest Gump being nice to people, wearing bright colors, and being called Fansy, ensuring that everyone had called him a fag at least twice. Then he unleashed vengeance with a vast conga line of burly giants pounding everyone's asses. At which point the cool evil players suddenly decided "no rules" was unfair and whined until moderators arrived. The first moderator to show up said "cool, |
| 04:13 | < Noah{DNF}> | Ahh, Everquest |
| 04:13 | < celticminstrel> | Cut off at 'said "cool' |
| 04:14 | < Noah{DNF}> | said "cool," reminded Fansy there wereno rules, and enjoyed watching him do it." |
| 04:15 | <&Derakon> | "No rules" != "no repercussions"~ |
| 04:16 | < Noah{DNF}> | http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-most-elaborate-dick-moves-in-online-gaming-his tory_p2/ |
| 04:17 | < Noah{DNF}> | The second asked him to stop, based on a rule on the no rules server (which hadn't existed earlier that day), and Fansy acquiesced. All someone had to do was ask nicely! Which no one on Sullon Zek had tried, although they had tried calling him a no-life 12-year-old basement-dwelling homo one million times. |
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| 04:24 | <&McMartin> | Noah: "No rules" actually means "a safe place for douchebags to be douchebags", I guess. |
| 04:25 | | * McMartin totally sides with the first mod~ |
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| 04:48 | | * Derakon discovers that MacPorts is requiring its copy of Python2.7 to be first in his path, tries to uninstall it, discovers that everything and its leeging brother depends on it. |
| 04:50 | < celticminstrel> | A ridiculous number of things depend on that, yeah. :/ |
| 04:50 | < celticminstrel> | Which is why I have two copies of Python 2.7 on my computer. >_< |
| 04:50 | < celticminstrel> | Pretty sure the official one is used for everything other than MacPorts dependencies, though... |
| 04:50 | <&Derakon> | It's more that I'd rather the Python I installed myself be first in the path, but both it and the Mercurial Python need to be called "python2.7". |
| 04:51 | <&Derakon> | Bah, whatever. |
| 05:04 | < Tarinaky> | This is why I dislike Mac. |
| 05:04 | < Tarinaky> | It just works... as long as you don't need it to do anything >.> |
| 05:06 | <&Derakon> | Funny guy. |
| 05:07 | <&Derakon> | This isn't a Mac thing; it's a thing with a specific third-party program on the Mac. |
| 05:07 | < Noah{DNF}> | Is it something you can do in a virtualenv? |
| 05:07 | <&Derakon> | So kindly FOAD |
| 05:07 | < Tarinaky> | :) |
| 05:08 | < Noah{DNF}> | Quick! Insult his choice of programming language and paradigm! |
| 05:09 | <&Derakon> | I got really tired of having everyone blame my problems on my choice of operating system, ten years ago. |
| 05:09 | <&Derakon> | Hey, guess what? It hasn't gotten funny since then! |
| 05:09 | < Tarinaky> | "Babylon 5 was shit!" "GET OUT!" -- Spaced. |
| 05:09 | < Noah{DNF}> | Ten years ago, you mean when I was playing the games that are only getting released to Mac now? |
| 05:09 | < Noah{DNF}> | ZING! |
| 05:09 | < Tarinaky> | Derakon: Believe it or not... this happens whatever OS you use. |
| 05:09 | < Tarinaky> | Stop taking it personally :/ |
| 05:10 | <&McMartin> | Deus Ex still doesn't have an acceptable Mac port. |
| 05:10 | < Noah{DNF}> | Oh, and there's McMartin with the salt for the wound, ouch |
| 05:10 | <&McMartin> | I think DX3 might, though |
| 05:10 | <&Derakon> | Tarinaky: oddly enough, I'm still bitter. |
| 05:11 | < Tarinaky> | Maybe you should review why that is and your choices in life? |
| 05:11 | <&McMartin> | If you can actually run games, this is because you hate freedom and or are one of Bill Gates's serfs. |
| 05:12 | < Noah{DNF}> | That's okay, I use Linux, and someone kindly ported every super nintendo game to it, so I'm cool with it |
| 05:12 | <&Derakon> | Okay, Tarinaky? Let me make this clear to you now: I'm not in the mood for that shit. |
| 05:12 | <&McMartin> | Still no Deus Ex~ |
| 05:12 | <&Derakon> | So don't push your luck! |
| 05:12 | < Tarinaky> | Okay. |
| 05:12 | <&Derakon> | I got ops, and I'm not afraid to abuse them. |
| 05:12 | < Tarinaky> | Snark disengaged. |
| 05:12 | <&Derakon> | Thank you. |
| 05:12 | <&Derakon> | (Am I being unreasonable? Hell yes. Deal) |
| 05:13 | < Noah{DNF}> | Tarinaky: To be fair, Derakon is a hell of a lot less irate than that perl programmer I pissed off, shesh |
| 05:14 | < Noah{DNF}> | So you could probably make another jab or two before he actually kick bans you |
| 05:14 | <&McMartin> | An aside: Does Linux have an acceptable NES emu yet? |
| 05:14 | <&McMartin> | Because FCEU so wasn't. |
| 05:14 | < Noah{DNF}> | McMartin: Sssssort of? |
| 05:14 | < Tarinaky> | Noah{DNF}: He asked me to cut it out... so I did. |
| 05:14 | < Tarinaky> | If you want to be king of the dicks knock yourself out? |
| 05:14 | < Noah{DNF}> | I'm using FCEUX, but it can't do Solar Jetman, hehe |
| 05:15 | <&McMartin> | That part's fine~ |
| 05:15 | <&McMartin> | (Your copy of Solar Jetman may be corrupt) |
| 05:15 | <&McMartin> | I really mean "can you remap keys without hacking the source" |
| 05:15 | < Noah{DNF}> | Oh sure |
| 05:15 | <&McMartin> | Which was the state of play with FCEU when last I used it. |
| 05:16 | <&McMartin> | And when FCEU was *still* the best of breed by a wide margin -_- |
| 05:16 | < Noah{DNF}> | Yea, FCEUX totally does that |
| 05:16 | <&McMartin> | This is good |
| 05:16 | <&McMartin> | What's the SNES one? Still ZSNES and Snes9X, or has a newcomer come along? |
| 05:16 | < Tarinaky> | In heindsight I wish I'd done *zoidberg* "Your OS is bad, and you should feel bad" |
| 05:16 | < Tarinaky> | But who has time for image memes. |
| 05:16 | <&McMartin> | (Some Delphi-based thing called Nestopia beat out FCEU on the windows side some years ago for NES) |
| 05:17 | <&Derakon> | What's wrong with SNES9x? |
| 05:17 | < Noah{DNF}> | For regular NES emulation? |
| 05:17 | <&McMartin> | Derakon: Its netplay wasn't as good as ZSNES and ISTR there were some UI wobbles on some desktop environments. |
| 05:17 | <&Derakon> | You might see if Bsnes has a Linux port; it's supposed to be super-accurate as far as emulation is concerned. |
| 05:17 | <&Derakon> | Ah. |
| 05:17 | <&Derakon> | But I don't know about Bsnes's UI. |
| 05:17 | <&McMartin> | On the SNES side I wasn't attempting to condemn; just naming the state of the art when last I had checked. |
| 05:17 | < Noah{DNF}> | Bsnes is on Linux, it's in my repos |
| 05:17 | <&McMartin> | FCEU I rather explicitly condemend despite using it. |
| 05:18 | <&McMartin> | Emulation has been... acceptable for quite a long time, really. |
| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Derakon: "super-accurate" IME is code for "does not actually run games that rely on undocumented hardware/BIOS hacks, ie, all of them" |
| 05:18 | <&McMartin> | ToxicFrog: That's backwards from the community at large, if so. |
| 05:18 | <&Derakon> | TF: in this case, actually it means "emulates the console by simulating the console's hardware". |
| 05:18 | <&McMartin> | In the C64 case... yeah. |
| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or, if it's an LL, "does not actually play games, just runs them, and is thus useful only for debugging" |
| 05:19 | <&McMartin> | The C64 "super accurate" stuff simulates the graphics and sound chips at the gate level. |
| 05:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although with a sufficiently slow console and a sufficiently fast host system that may not necessarily be the case |
| 05:19 | <&McMartin> | One of them reported "supports all known and unknown undocumented features of the VIC II" |
| 05:19 | <&Derakon> | LL? |
| 05:19 | < Noah{DNF}> | Oh hey, my copy of solar jetman is good |
| 05:19 | < Tarinaky> | Doesn't SNES emulation have the issue that you can put extra hardware on the cartridge? |
| 05:19 | <&McMartin> | Noah{DNF}: How are you testing this? |
| 05:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Low-level. An emulator that emulates the actual hardware on the wires-and-gates level rather than just the functional hardware. |
| 05:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | *functional behaviour. |
| 05:19 | <&Derakon> | Ah, yes, that's Bsnes. |
| 05:20 | < Noah{DNF}> | Also, I was able to bind my xbox 360 *sheepish grin* |
| 05:20 | <&McMartin> | TF: Yeah, we passed that level some time ago. |
| 05:20 | <&Derakon> | As for speed, I don't know. |
| 05:20 | < Noah{DNF}> | But it doesn't say what key I bound, it's blank |
| 05:20 | <&McMartin> | Noah{DNF}: That's another one of those ancillary important things. |
| 05:20 | < Noah{DNF}> | But it works |
| 05:20 | <&McMartin> | Tarinaky: Every console prior to the PS1 relied on this. Emulators have to encode in some way what circuit board was used. |
| 05:20 | < Noah{DNF}> | I can deal with not seeing what I bound |
| 05:20 | <&McMartin> | There were generally a half-dozen or so standard models. |
| 05:21 | <&McMartin> | The SNES in particular was more regular than the NES, which was utter chaos |
| 05:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: right, my point is that in my experience LLEs are not actually useful for playing games; they are technically fascinating but if I want to actually game I will be firing up something that does just-in-time recompilation of the game and translates instructions to the GPU into openGL calls. |
| 05:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because that will actually get 60fps rather than 5. |
| 05:21 | <&McMartin> | ToxicFrog: Yeah. At the 8-bit level you've gotten full speed since, um |
| 05:21 | < Noah{DNF}> | Yea, if I wanted super accurate emulation, I'd just buy the card and console |
| 05:21 | <&McMartin> | ... since Omicron |
| 05:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | Omicron? |
| 05:21 | < Noah{DNF}> | I want playable emulation |
| 05:22 | <&McMartin> | My old machine Omicron. Which was a Celeron II and could do a full 50 FPS with the gate-level C64 emu. |
| 05:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 05:22 | < celticminstrel> | BSNES is the only one I know of with a Mac port. |
| 05:22 | <&Derakon> | SNES9x has a Mac port. |
| 05:22 | <&McMartin> | So if that was true then, I rather expect that 16-bit machines can handle it here now >_> |
| 05:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | It may be worth noting that my introduction to console gaming was the PSX and N64 and I only rarely go older than that, which may be colouring my perceptions somehwat |
| 05:22 | < celticminstrel> | Oh okay. :P |
| 05:22 | <&Derakon> | Otherwise I wouldn't be so absurdly good at Super Metroid. |
| 05:23 | <&McMartin> | TF: Yes, that will massively warp your perceptions; that was precisely where the paradigm shifted. |
| 05:23 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody|gaming |
| 05:23 | <&Derakon> | N64/PSX emulation is largely shit, AIUI. |
| 05:23 | <&McMartin> | At that point the only acceptable approach is JITting the binaries and using an graphics translation shim. |
| 05:24 | <&McMartin> | The real issue is that the N64/PSX era was largely shit |
| 05:24 | <&Derakon> | Though oddly enough there's a Gamecube/Wii emulator that's accurate enough to start making TASes with (though you'd be hard-pressed to run it in realtime) |
| 05:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | N64 emulation is in the "clunky to get working, but actually usable to play most games" bucket last I checked. |
| 05:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | PSX emulation is excellent, and PS2 emulation is advancing very rapidly. |
| 05:24 | <&McMartin> | Dolphin is a superb emulator, from all I hear. |
| 05:24 | < Noah{DNF}> | Yea, N64 has been a weird device to try an emulate |
| 05:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Gamecube emulation is "better than N64 in terms of correctness but unlike N64 you will not get playable speed from it for most things" |
| 05:24 | < cpux> | Some guy at Rare stuck a ZX-Spectrum emulator on the production cartridge of Goldeneye 64. |
| 05:25 | <&McMartin> | cpux: Hah |
| 05:25 | <&McMartin> | :eu: |
| 05:25 | < Tarinaky> | That's not strictly true. |
| 05:25 | < Tarinaky> | You have to patch the rom to make it work. |
| 05:25 | <&McMartin> | I really should buckle down and finish my compiler to the C64. |
| 05:26 | <&McMartin> | I have the shitty prototype already in Python and it works on programs with no functions |
| 05:26 | <&McMartin> | But I took too many shortcuts and it won't generalize |
| 05:27 | <&McMartin> | The Wii Virtual-Console versions of N64 games execute pretty flawlessly, AFAICT. |
| 05:27 | <&McMartin> | The biggest problem is mapping the absurd N64 controller onto a GC or Classic controller. |
| 05:27 | < cpux> | All true. Someone had to hack the rom image to find out it was even there. |
| 05:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Back on the topic of (S)NES emulation, SNES9X has consistently been excellent for me on every platform; ZSNES, however, has superior netplay and controller-only support. |
| 05:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: IME, the best mapping for the N64 controller is a keyboard and mouse~ |
| 05:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | But I've only actually used my '64 emulator to play Perfect Dark |
| 05:29 | <&McMartin> | Paper Mario is less forgiving that way~ |
| 05:29 | <&McMartin> | And Starfox 64 is a total loss |
| 05:29 | <&McMartin> | That said, the Wii doesn't allow for KB+M even though it totally should |
| 05:29 | < celticminstrel> | ? |
| 05:29 | < Noah{DNF}> | I want to play Ogre Battle 64, and I've never gotten that game to work right in an emulator |
| 05:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Honestly I would be willing to pay actual money for a version of Perfect Dark that actually supported KBM. |
| 05:30 | <&McMartin> | celticminstrel: It's got two USB ports in the back, but it doesn't have HID support. |
| 05:30 | < celticminstrel> | Ah. |
| 05:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Noah{DNF}: I believe I did a test run of that in Pj64 some time ago and it worked, but I didn't play it extensively. |
| 05:30 | < cpux> | Mapping N64 controls to Gamecube controls in my brain was easy. Except for Mischief Makers. |
| 05:30 | < Noah{DNF}> | Yea, it'll had a keyboard, but you have to use the wiimote as a mouse |
| 05:30 | < Noah{DNF}> | I've played Apple ][e games on the Wii before, lol |
| 05:30 | <&McMartin> | cpux: For some reason, Starfox 64 was problematic for me. |
| 05:31 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 05:31 | < Noah{DNF}> | Specifically Oregon Trail |
| 05:31 | | * McMartin is still totally a C64 partisan |
| 05:31 | <&McMartin> | Speaking of flamewars that never died |
| 05:31 | <&McMartin> | Though the real fight wasn't in the US because it's hard to have a flamewar when one of the main combatants isn't for sale on your continent. |
| 05:31 | <&McMartin> | (The real rivalry was C64 vs ZX Spectrum) |
| 05:32 | <&McMartin> | For some insane reason, the Sinclair guys licensed their computers to Timex - the watch guys - over here in the States, and never imported anything more advanced than the ZX81 |
| 05:32 | <&McMartin> | Which is amazingly shitty |
| 05:32 | <&McMartin> | Also my first computer >_> |
| 05:32 | | * McMartin still has it in his closet |
| 05:35 | < cpux> | My first computer was a Commodore 64. Which I promptly broke. My dad then got a Windows 3.1 PC. I broke that, too. Then a Windows 95 PC I also broke. Then the Windows 98 PC. Somewhere around the XP era I realized that was a bad thing to do. |
| 05:36 | <&Derakon> | My first was a C64. |
| 05:36 | <&Derakon> | Which I didn't do much with beyond the classic GOTO loop and very basic branching logic. |
| 05:36 | <&Derakon> | Well, and videogames of course. |
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| 05:37 | < Noah{DNF}> | Fuck, only 35 lines at NES Tetris, wtf is wrong with me |
| 05:37 | < Noah{DNF}> | My first computer by the by was a TRS Model 3 monochrome |
| 05:37 | < celticminstrel> | My first computer was a 68k Mac with System 7. |
| 05:37 | < celticminstrel> | Though I don't think that was the first time I had ever used a computer. |
| 05:38 | < Noah{DNF}> | The 5.25" floppy drives didn't work, so I had to recode anything I wanted to do on the damn thing though :\ |
| 05:39 | < Noah{DNF}> | Kind of wish I hung onto it, probably could've fixed it |
| 05:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Mine was a serial terminal connected to I-don't-even-know-what running UNIX. |
| 05:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Still have the hard drives and one of the terminals. |
| 05:40 | | Noah{DNF} is now known as Noah{ZANAC} |
| 05:42 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | :\ |
| 05:42 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | I dead |
| 05:43 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Cool game though |
| 05:47 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Wow, this lack of a sprite limit makes this a proper danmaku, it's hard as fuck |
| 05:47 | | Kindamoody|gaming is now known as Kindamoody |
| 05:48 | <&Derakon> | There's an important thing to realize about Zanac. |
| 05:48 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Always have a shield? |
| 05:48 | <&Derakon> | Oh, no no no. |
| 05:48 | <&Derakon> | See, the shield makes the game angry. |
| 05:49 | <&Derakon> | So does shooting a lot, even if you miss. |
| 05:49 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Yea, it has adjusting AI, I noticed |
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| 06:02 | < Tarinaky> | Seen reddit today? Endless posts about Jesus and Milliways are coming. |
| 06:05 | | * Derakon ponders his code, tries to decide how best to handle this. |
| 06:05 | <&Derakon> | Some commands will require one or more prompts from the user to get more information before they can be executed. |
| 06:05 | <&Derakon> | For example, if you choose to wield an item, then we have to ask you what item to wield. |
| 06:06 | <&Derakon> | So I've made a "prompt" class which includes a) what key to use to look up the Container that holds the Things being prompted for; b) what mode to use for displaying the Things; c) what function to call when a selection is made. |
| 06:07 | <&Derakon> | Note this does not include the Container itself, because these Prompts are being created at program load, when the containers may not exist yet... |
| 06:07 | <&Derakon> | This because I'm mapping commands to sequences of Prompts. |
| 06:07 | <&Derakon> | But I'd like to have the appropriate Containers as member fields, and it bugs me when a class has an optional member field. |
| 06:08 | <&Derakon> | I shouldn't have to do "if prompt.container is None: go get the container; else: use the container" |
| 06:08 | < Vornicus> | gnarg. mIRC is being a bitch, and xchat just kind of grates on me. |
| 06:10 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Vornicus: What's issue with mIRC? |
| 06:11 | < Vornicus> | It's not giving me a "continue" button on the shareware bit, just an "exit" |
| 06:11 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | That usually goes away, you have to wait |
| 06:11 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Maybe |
| 06:12 | < Vornicus> | Yeah it's been a... while. |
| 06:12 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Hmm |
| 06:12 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Latest version? |
| 06:12 | < Vornicus> | Yes. |
| 06:14 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | ...Crack it? lol |
| 06:15 | < Vornicus> | I was thinking about it |
| 06:17 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Do eet |
| 06:17 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Or use pidgin |
| 06:17 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | because that's what the cool kids use...? |
| 06:18 | < Vornicus> | I tried pidgin for irc and it really sucked |
| 06:19 | < Vornicus> | (I use it for IM tho) |
| 06:19 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Yea, it's not great beyond basic functionality |
| 06:20 | < celticminstrel> | Pidgin is a pretty basic one from what I've heard. |
| 06:20 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | ...Installing Caffiene, since not all emulators can pause the screensaver daemon |
| 06:20 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | It works well enough though |
| 06:20 | < celticminstrel> | KVIrc, Icechat, VisualIRC are somewhat decent in varying degrees. |
| 06:21 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | fucking telnet hell yea |
| 06:22 | < celticminstrel> | Honestly though I've yet to find a client that I really like. |
| 06:22 | < Vornicus> | mIRC is by far my favorite. |
| 06:22 | < celticminstrel> | I wouldn't be surprised if mIRC is actually the best... I just don't want to have to deal with nagware. |
| 06:22 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Buy it? |
| 06:23 | < celticminstrel> | Buy an IRC client? Are you crazy? ;) |
| 06:24 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | http://www.mirc.com/register.php?coupon=MIRC-SWV0-MNKL |
| 06:24 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | There you go, 50% off |
| 06:24 | < celticminstrel> | 50% off what? |
| 06:24 | < Vornicus> | I guess I eventually should |
| 06:24 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | mIRC |
| 06:24 | < Vornicus> | I've been using the damn thing for eleven years. |
| 06:24 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | for $10 instead of 20 |
| 06:25 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Vornicus: then pay up mooch |
| 06:25 | < celticminstrel> | Meh. |
| 06:25 | < celticminstrel> | I paid $1 for an IRC client. That's quite enough for me. <_< |
| 06:25 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Or go dive some whar-rez sites |
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| 06:35 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Damnit Gnome, why are you bad?! |
| 06:41 | < Tarinaky> | Borganas Fell |
| 06:42 | < Tarinaky> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1lvMJ-l0_A |
| 06:42 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 06:50 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Tarinaky: Wtf did I just watch |
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| 06:54 | < Tarinaky> | Swedish commedy. |
| 06:55 | < Tarinaky> | Let me find a version with subtitles. |
| 06:55 | < Tarinaky> | Noah{ZANAC}: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmlhUn8TvT0 |
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| 07:07 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | Due to heavy demand, your anticipated delivery date is: JUNE 16, 2045 |
| 07:07 | < Noah{ZANAC}> | This is outrageous, I want my backup of youtube NOW |
| 07:14 | | Noah{ZANAC} is now known as Noah{DoNotFool} |
| 07:21 | < Tarinaky> | I got it on Betamax; because that format will never die. |
| 07:21 | < Tarinaky> | Amirite? |
| 07:26 | < Noah{DoNotFool}> | Urrite |
| 07:27 | < Tarinaky> | "We have had Galloway re-elected, a fake fuel crisis, the Falklands Part Deux, we find out that Cheney was supposed to have a heart after all, a coup in China, Obama issuing in the NDAA, VIP lanes, and you are telling me we have a chance at spotting the read herrings in the media today!!" |
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| 11:04 | | * TheWatcher eyes Introversion's Subversion dev log, is getting vaguely tempted... |
| 11:05 | | Irssi: #code: Total of 23 nicks [10 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] |
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| 14:11 | < gnolam> | http://hackaday.com/2012/03/31/floppy-autoloader-takes-the-pain-out-of-archiving -5000-amiga-disks/ |
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| 15:22 | < froztbyte> | wow |
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| 15:22 | < froztbyte> | the worst I've had to deal with was around 300 of them, many years ago |
| 15:23 | < froztbyte> | and erf, I hate how they call the solid-body things floppies -_- |
| 15:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: why does xchat grate on you? |
| 15:52 | <~Vornicus> | Well the one that was getting at me earlier was you have to right click to open a link. |
| 16:05 | <@jerith> | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/245062/whats-the-difference-between-javascrip t-and-java/245073#245073 |
| 16:05 | <@jerith> | froztbyte: Calling them "stiffies" is a South Africanism. |
| 16:06 | <@jerith> | But yeah. the 3.5" ones aren't very floppy. (Unless you undress tham.) |
| 16:06 | <@jerith> | *them |
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| 17:13 | | * ToxicFrog sets about signing up for S3 |
| 17:14 | < celticminstrel> | I wonder how much work it would take to update MAMEOSX... |
| 17:27 | < ShellNinja> | Wow. capturing animals, partially domesticating them and slaughtering them is profitable. |
| 17:27 | < ShellNinja> | I have lots of meat now. |
| 17:27 | < ShellNinja> | Mostly naked moledog meat. |
| 17:28 | < ShellNinja> | Hmm. Mischan! |
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| 18:45 | < froztbyte> | jerith: that's fine by me |
| 18:45 | < froztbyte> | jerith: sounds like a name we really could export to the rest of the world |
| 18:55 | < gnolam> | It could be, uhm, misinterpreted. |
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| 20:21 | < Eri> | Vornornornornorn |
| 20:21 | <~Vornicus> | eri eri eri eri eri |
| 20:21 | <~Vornicus> | or rather |
| 20:21 | <~Vornicus> | eririririri |
| 20:21 | <~Vornicus> | what's up? |
| 20:22 | < Eri> | There's a variable you can change that lets you click on links in xchat |
| 20:23 | < Eri> | /set gui_url_mod 0 |
| 20:23 | <~Vornicus> | There's actually a whole bunch of other annoyances I kept having. I don't remember them all any more. IIRC one was that the default had every notice show up as a bubble in the systray, and that's bad when you're a server admin. It took me like weeks to find the button for that. |
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| 23:13 | | * TheWatcher stabs people who write papers, use a wierd non-standard notaion, say "notation as used in [x] and [y]", and don't explain the notation |
| 23:13 | <@TheWatcher> | I should not need to go paper spelunking to read your fucking notation, damnit. |
| 23:14 | < celticminstrel> | Heh! |
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| 23:29 | < gnolam> | Could've been worse. Could've been "data from Foo, 1986"... and when you finally manage to locate a copy of Foo (1986), the data is not in there, but they refer to "Bar, 1983" and so on. |
| 23:29 | < gnolam> | Nope. Not bitter. :P |
| 23:29 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah |
| 23:30 | <@TheWatcher> | Some of the shit people get away with in these things... |
| 23:30 | < gnolam> | (My record is three papers in before giving up :P) |
| 23:35 | < celticminstrel> | Three papers in? |
| 23:35 | < celticminstrel> | What is that, lookup depth or something? |
| 23:37 | <@TheWatcher> | Paper A references something in B, which turns out to be a reference to C, which turns out to be a reference to D. If you're lucky, eventually you'll find the paper where the data/explanation/statement actually exists. |
| 23:37 | <@TheWatcher> | I say "if you're lucky" because there isn't actually any guarantee of that |
| 23:38 | < celticminstrel> | And then paper D references paper A. |
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| 23:41 | <@TheWatcher> | Heh. That /generally/ can't happen. Not for want of trying, though. You usually find that Paper Zero either a) exists and contains the data you need, b) references something incredibly obscure, that has maybe one copy left in the entire world, and you can't get it, or c) contains blatantly Made Up Shit or references things that never existed. |
| 23:42 | < celticminstrel> | Yeah, kinda hard to have a circular reference when everything referenced from a paper has to precede the existance of the paper. |
| 23:42 | < celticminstrel> | ^existence |
| 23:43 | <&McMartin> | I've been part of citation loops before. |
| 23:44 | < gnolam> | Also, note that this all requires you to have Connections. Normally, belonging to a university that's paying exorbitant fees for you to have access to all of this. |
| 23:44 | <@TheWatcher> | Indeed |
| 23:45 | < gnolam> | Because science journals are dicks. |
| 23:45 | < gnolam> | In ways, they're even worse than record companies. |
| 23:45 | < celticminstrel> | "belonging to" seems to typically include "being a student at", though. |
| 23:45 | <@TheWatcher> | Or working at. |
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| 23:52 | < gnolam> | (See also: why Open Access is a good thing.) |
| 23:53 | < gnolam> | (It makes me moderately proud that my university now has a crack legal team solely to find loopholes to allow Open Access publishing) |
| 23:53 | < celticminstrel> | Huh? |
| 23:53 | < celticminstrel> | Loopholes? |
| 23:56 | < gnolam> | Did I not mention that science journals are dicks? |
| 23:57 | < Attilla> | Well they have to be, they need all your money |
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