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| 00:47 | <~Vornicus> | Why I like math: yes, technically, I could write a formula for each of triangular, square, pentagonal, etc numbers, and then another one to invert that operation for each... but I could alternatively just write two formulas total, so I can just tell it how many sides I want it to have and it'll figure out the rest. |
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| 02:57 | < maoranma> | Vornicus: is that math or progamming? |
| 02:57 | < maoranma> | programming even |
| 03:04 | <@Alek> | boiling down multiple equations into one, or combinations of equations into one, is fun! |
| 03:05 | < maoranma> | And ultimately that's what the theory of everything is supposed to be |
| 03:25 | <&Derakon> | Programming is math. |
| 03:25 | <&Derakon> | See also http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ |
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| 03:49 | <~Vornicus> | Well, it's mathy programming |
| 03:50 | <~Vornicus> | Both functions I just wrote are one-liners. |
| 03:52 | <~Vornicus> | figurates = [[figurate(x,s) for x in range(int(defigurate(1000,s)) + 1, int(defigurate(10000,s)) + 1) if figurate(x,s) % 100 > 9] for s in range(3, 9)] |
| 03:52 | <~Vornicus> | And then to prove that I really should learn a functional language, I wrote that. |
| 03:53 | <&McMartin> | Woo Haskell |
| 03:53 | <&McMartin> | Or learn Racket, just for #code diversity |
| 03:54 | < maoranma> | quit that, random code showing up in my bot makes me thing something broke in it |
| 03:55 | <~Vornicus> | Live with it, this is #code |
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| 03:58 | < maoranma> | Well, I was staring at it for a minute trying to figure out what I would write something like that |
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| 04:01 | < maoranma> | There, maybe improve the readability of the output |
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| 05:04 | <~Vornicus> | How to know you're doing a little too much indexing: your line ends ]]]]) |
| 05:04 | <&Derakon> | Maybe you're doing too many list comprehensions instead. |
| 05:07 | <~Vornicus> | indices.append([0,steps[p[len(indices) - 2]][indices[-1][1][indices[-1][0]]]]) nope. it's indexing. I'm not actually sure whether it's right. |
| 05:07 | <~Vornicus> | (also listcomps don't all end together like that. they start together.) |
| 05:08 | <&Derakon> | Mm, point. |
| 05:08 | <~Vornicus> | (unless you're doing something spectacularly untoward with mapping.) |
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| 05:16 | < Eri> | There's no such thing as too much indexing |
| 05:16 | < Eri> | Look at the optimization |
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| 05:16 | < Eri> | If I could make a program that was exclusively moving around in a huge indexed array based on the user's input, I would. |
| 05:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is what Von Neumann programs are once you get down to the machine code level~ |
| 05:17 | < Eri> | Yeah, I was actually about to say that |
| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Personally I like my layers of abstraction. |
| 05:18 | <~Vornicus> | mmmm, abstraction |
| 05:18 | < Eri> | I bet you also like high level languages like C or Pascal, you cheater |
| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Those aren't HLLs. |
| 05:19 | < Eri> | I was kind of making a joke |
| 05:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | (lexical closures and tail call optimization or GTFO~) |
| 05:19 | < Eri> | About how they're high compared assembly |
| 05:19 | | * Vornicus has just set up this code that looks like it builds a giant lookup table but there's like 200 entries in the whole table. |
| 05:20 | <&Derakon> | Heh. |
| 05:20 | <&Derakon> | Just hard-code all the entries then~ |
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| 07:01 | < Rhamphoryncus> | mmmm gprof |
| 07:02 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Interestingly, the first couple lines matched what perf was telling me, implying perf was sane and I just didn't know how to get the right info out of it |
| 07:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | and for those wondering what I'm looking for, here's a clipping from the callgraph of gprof using a particularly intensive game at normal zoom level: |
| 07:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | [2] 94.5 0.00 23.68 1 VideoDriver_SDL::MainLoop() [2] |
| 07:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | 0.00 15.24 1305/1305 GameLoop() [3] |
| 07:03 | < Rhamphoryncus> | 0.00 8.43 1305/1305 UpdateWindows() [7] |
| 07:04 | < Rhamphoryncus> | and the same game, ran for the same in-game time period, but zoomed out all the way: |
| 07:04 | < Rhamphoryncus> | [2] 97.4 0.00 135.82 1 VideoDriver_SDL::MainLoop() [2] |
| 07:04 | < Rhamphoryncus> | 0.00 117.64 1279/1279 UpdateWindows() [3] |
| 07:04 | < Rhamphoryncus> | 0.00 18.16 1279/1279 GameLoop() [16] |
| 07:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh god fuck java.io forever |
| 07:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Why would someone ever create this |
| 07:24 | < Rhamphoryncus> | heh |
| 07:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | The answer to "what class do I need to write to a file with platform-appropriate newlines" is PrintStream, incidentally |
| 07:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Not PrintWriter, FileStream, FileWriter, OutputStream, or any other permutation of {Print,File,Filter,Buffered}{Writer,OutputStream} |
| 07:32 | < Rhamphoryncus> | heh |
| 07:33 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Does java have a set of interfaces covering all the mathematical properties of different number types? Or does it not bother because it's C? |
| 07:39 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Blast. The profile has let me to the entirely unsurprising answer: zoomed out is slow because it's drawing way, way more. |
| 07:44 | < Rhamphoryncus> | wait.. I wonder if the dirty rects themselves are wrong |
| 07:46 | < Rhamphoryncus> | There's some graphical glitches causing some large newgrf to not draw properly (parts disappear and reappear), but that happens several times a second, and there's nothing moving there |
| 07:49 | | * TheWatcher readsup |
| 07:49 | <@TheWatcher> | Ah, Java. |
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| 08:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rhamphoryncus: probably. Unlike file io, Scala provides its own types for numbers and I just use those. |
| 08:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | The main thing I remember about numbers in Java is that they're the most obvious place where java's schizophrenic approach to typing causes problems. |
| 08:12 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ToxicFrog: I shall proceed to laugh at it then. Ha Ha. |
| 09:30 | <&McMartin> | TF: There have been some limited attempts in recent versions to make it better, but it is still terrible |
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| 09:31 | <&McMartin> | Fully transparent boxing/unboxing of primitive types, an equivalent to try/finally that doesn't have completely broken scoping, and working method pointers are the three big reasons C# is a better language than Java. |
| 09:31 | <&McMartin> | And the CLR is the one big reason it will never, ever be as widespread. =( |
| 09:34 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The patent threats from MS's greedy fingerprints don't help either |
| 09:40 | <&McMartin> | Quite |
| 09:40 | <&McMartin> | Though the core ECMA stuff should be safe, nobody but the GNOME guys uses it |
| 09:40 | <&McMartin> | And they're insane |
| 09:40 | <&McMartin> | Also Zachtronics Industries, I guess |
| 09:40 | <&McMartin> | But *he's* insane, and he shared the madness with us |
| 09:49 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ECMA has MS's greedy fingerprints all over it too. Not as bad as direct MS, but it's still there. |
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| 11:58 | < ShellNinja> | So, how easily can one use compressed image formats in SDL? I'm talking about GIF, JPG, PNG and so on. |
| 12:01 | < gnolam> | Easily. |
| 12:01 | < gnolam> | Using SDL_image. |
| 12:02 | <@TheWatcher> | And if you need to save them, http://git.starforge.co.uk/?p=SDL_imagesave/.git;a=summary |
| 12:03 | <@TheWatcher> | (jpeg and png only with that, but adding extra formats should be easy enough) |
| 12:03 | < gnolam> | (Install SDL_Image. Initialize it with IMG_Init(enums of compressed formats you are planning to use). Then load images with IMG_Load().) |
| 12:04 | < ShellNinja> | After loading, I can use them the normal way, with SDL_Surface and stuff? |
| 12:04 | <@TheWatcher> | Yep |
| 12:05 | < gnolam> | IMG_Load() returns an SDL_Surface *. |
| 12:05 | < ShellNinja> | Cool. |
| 12:05 | < gnolam> | It's simply a drop-in replacement for SDL's built-in BMP loading. |
| 12:06 | < ShellNinja> | Hmm. SDL_Image appears to be installed. Do I need the -dev? |
| 12:06 | < gnolam> | Yes. |
| 12:07 | < gnolam> | The non-dev versions are simply the shared libraries, without any headers. |
| 12:07 | <@TheWatcher> | -dev packages include headers and other stuff you need to actually compile code that uses a library |
| 12:08 | < ShellNinja> | Cool. That's one mystery solved. :P |
| 12:14 | <@TheWatcher> | Gah, wretched daystar making it hard to see my screens. |
| 12:55 | < Rhamphoryncus> | damn schroedingbugs |
| 12:56 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Made a hack to help diagnose rendering behaviour. Had it working fine. Decided that before I tweak it more I should refactor it into its own function and make it less hacky. Stopped working. Used ctrl-z in the editor. Old version no longer worked. |
| 12:58 | <@TheWatcher> | Fun. |
| 13:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | hrm. Yup, everything I'm doing is pretty clearly wrong |
| 13:10 | < Rhamphoryncus> | My intent is to take the dirty rects and draw a coloured rectangle over them, changing the colour each time, thus showing what's been redrawn |
| 13:10 | < Rhamphoryncus> | However, my 0,0 coordinate seems to be the top *middle* of the *map*. |
| 13:10 | < Rhamphoryncus> | And when I created a viewport, rather than drawing the box in the viewport, it draws off to the right somewhere |
| 13:12 | < Rhamphoryncus> | More fun: the rectangles only show up if I hit redraw or the game updates an area. However, if I move the viewport without doing this, then move the mouse, the mouse cursor "paints" in the updated spots |
| 13:21 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Okay, fixed the coordinates |
| 13:21 | < Rhamphoryncus> | it still crashes if I zoom out though |
| 13:29 | < Rhamphoryncus> | aaand fixed the crash :D |
| 13:55 | < Rhamphoryncus> | aaaaugh god damnit gimp. Convert an image down to one palette: colours are right, but the palette itself is reversed. Undo and do again with a palette that's already reversed: the net result is STILL reversed. |
| 13:58 | < Tarinaky> | Rhamphoryncus: Know the feeling. My issues with PySide only occur in situ, not in a test case :/ |
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| 14:12 | < Rhamphoryncus> | What the heck.. this time the palette double-reversed properly. |
| 14:22 | < Rhamphoryncus> | and it turns out my rotation of 16 colours is even worse than I had before |
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| 15:15 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I need a set of bright, high contrast, rapidly flashing colours that DON'T cause seizures x_x |
| 15:22 | <~Vornicus> | YOu pretty much defined seizure-causing colors |
| 15:24 | <~Vornicus> | w3 says things should not flash more than 3 times a second |
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| 15:26 | < gnolam> | Ze flashing knobs! |
| 15:51 | < RichyB> | Rhamphoryncus, frequency matters as much as anything else |
| 15:51 | < RichyB> | AIUI, above ~30Hz or below ~2Hz you don't get seizures. |
| 15:52 | < Rhamphoryncus> | rendering is at 33Hz |
| 15:52 | < Rhamphoryncus> | But it may go slower (or faster if you use fast forward), and it's only doing a portion each time |
| 15:52 | < RichyB> | Epilepsy issues kick in worst between 5Hz and 10Hz, pretty much proportional to the size of the patch of vision that is flashing. |
| 15:53 | < RichyB> | The Pokémon episode killed loads of kids because it was going off at exactly 10Hz and it was the entire screen. |
| 15:54 | | * Rhamphoryncus nods |
| 15:54 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I'm pretty sure this would cause issues |
| 15:58 | < RichyB> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pikachu_seizure-2.jpg |
| 15:59 | < RichyB> | 6 seconds at 12Hz. Ambulances dragged 310 boys and 375 girls to hospitals. |
| 15:59 | | * Rhamphoryncus nods |
| 16:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | This is a debugging tool, but I'm activating it from the keyboard (overloading an existing debugging option). People may trigger it by accident |
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| 16:09 | | * Tarinaky blinks at Python. |
| 16:09 | < Tarinaky> | Wut. |
| 16:14 | < Rhamphoryncus> | What insanity did it inflict on you? |
| 16:15 | < Tarinaky> | It's claiming that a class doesn't have an attribute... |
| 16:15 | < Tarinaky> | That's defined... |
| 16:16 | < Tarinaky> | AttributeError: 'PySide.QtGui.QMainWindow' object has no attribute 'open_planet' |
| 16:17 | < Tarinaky> | I'm not sure why it calls it a PySide.QtGui.QMainWindow object when the class is GameWindow. |
| 16:17 | < Tarinaky> | I'm not sure if that's just python being a little silly or if loading the .ui files is causing sheenanigans |
| 16:18 | < Tarinaky> | http://pastebin.com/zezqTC49 << To give you an idea of the wtfery. |
| 16:19 | < Tarinaky> | I'm beginning to regret my choice of using QT for this. |
| 16:19 | < Tarinaky> | Am I doing something hideously wrong or what... :/ |
| 16:20 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I would guess it's using the wrong class somehow |
| 16:20 | < Tarinaky> | Except Python is dynamically styped. |
| 16:20 | < Tarinaky> | *typed |
| 16:20 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Where are you instantiating? |
| 16:20 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It'd be creating an instance of the wrong type |
| 16:21 | < Tarinaky> | app = QtGui.QApplication(sys.argv) myWindow = gamewindow.GameWindow() app.exec_() |
| 16:21 | < Rhamphoryncus> | hrm |
| 16:21 | < Tarinaky> | Insert returns or semi-colons to taste. |
| 16:22 | < Rhamphoryncus> | print myWindow out |
| 16:22 | < Tarinaky> | <duelfieldstars.gamewindow.GameWindow object at 0x01B2B558> |
| 16:22 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Alright, that's sane |
| 16:23 | < Rhamphoryncus> | What's the traceback? Is it line 37 of the paste that's failing? |
| 16:23 | < Tarinaky> | If I print self though I get <PySide.QtGui.QMainWindow object at 0x01BD2120> |
| 16:23 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yeah.. |
| 16:24 | < Rhamphoryncus> | They're not letting you subclass.. which is quite broken |
| 16:24 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Actually refusing to subclass would be fine. That's sometimes appropriate. In this case their __new__ silently ignores it |
| 16:24 | < Tarinaky> | NOKIAAAAA! (in the style of Shatner) |
| 16:25 | < Rhamphoryncus> | hrm. Wait a sec |
| 16:25 | < Tarinaky> | It's a wrapper for a C++ lib so I expected some funkiness. But I expected said funkiness to be clearly signposted. |
| 16:25 | < Rhamphoryncus> | the constructor returns the right class, but the __init__ is getting the wrong type |
| 16:25 | < Rhamphoryncus> | err |
| 16:26 | < Rhamphoryncus> | self = loader.load(file_,self) |
| 16:26 | < Rhamphoryncus> | wth is that? :P |
| 16:26 | < Tarinaky> | The code to load the widgets from the ui design. |
| 16:26 | < Rhamphoryncus> | That's where it's failing. Not the constructor |
| 16:27 | < RichyB> | You can't overwrite "self" in a Python constructor like that. This isn't objc. |
| 16:27 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Note that reassigning self will NOT have an effect outside the function |
| 16:27 | < Rhamphoryncus> | ^^ |
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| 16:27 | < RichyB> | What that line actually does is re-bind the function-local binding of the name "self" |
| 16:27 | < RichyB> | Not change the object. :) |
| 16:27 | < Tarinaky> | :/ |
| 16:27 | < Tarinaky> | Fuck the qt tuts. Seriously. |
| 16:27 | < RichyB> | *Not change the object that will be returned to whomever called the constructor. |
| 16:27 | <&Derakon> | Style check, folks: I need to select one of two strings based on a boolean value. Would it be bad style to do so by "val = ['firstString', 'secondString'][boolean]"? |
| 16:28 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Do they do that in the tutorials? |
| 16:28 | < Tarinaky> | Yes. |
| 16:28 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Link? |
| 16:28 | < RichyB> | Derakon, in Python <= 2.4, that is ugly but fine. |
| 16:28 | < RichyB> | Derakon, in Python >= 2.5, there's a much nicer ternary, val = "secondstring" if boolean else "firststring" |
| 16:28 | < Tarinaky> | Can't find the particular tutorial off the top of my head. |
| 16:29 | | * Tarinaky sighs. |
| 16:29 | <&Derakon> | I know about the ternary, but I've always found it a bit clunky. |
| 16:29 | < Rhamphoryncus> | IMO, both options are clunky |
| 16:29 | <&Derakon> | So, no right answer then? |
| 16:29 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Unless the strings are trivially short it's better to do "strings = ['firstString', 'secondString']; val = strings[boolean]" |
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| 16:30 | <&Derakon> | They're "Rolling" and "Global". |
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| 16:30 | <&Derakon> | ...though, it occurs to me that there's an alternate mode here that takes an int instead of a string, and I should just use that instead. |
| 16:30 | < Rhamphoryncus> | What's the real line? |
| 16:31 | <&Derakon> | I'm calling a library function to set an enum. |
| 16:31 | <&Derakon> | I can set it by index or by string. |
| 16:31 | < Tarinaky> | I can't think htf I am supposed to do this while still being able to use the signal/slot system :/ |
| 16:31 | <&Derakon> | There's two options for the enum. |
| 16:31 | < Tarinaky> | Fuck Qt in the ass. |
| 16:32 | <&Derakon> | (So I can call AT_SetEnumString('ElectronicShutteringMode', 'Rolling') or AT_SetEnumIndex('ElectronicShutteringMode', 0) and they do the same thing. |
| 16:32 | <&Derakon> | ) |
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| 16:43 | <&Derakon> | I kinda like how you can instantiate an array and then discard it in a single line, its purpose already having been accomplished. |
| 16:44 | <&Derakon> | c.f. http://pastebin.com/Nd7AjuiC |
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| 16:46 | <@Ling> | Then someone passes a number that isn't 0-4 |
| 16:47 | <&Derakon> | And the program throws an exception back at them. |
| 16:48 | <&Derakon> | I know precisely who is talking to this code: I am. |
| 16:48 | <&Derakon> | It's not worth my time to sanitize all the inputs. |
| 16:48 | <&Derakon> | (Ordinarily I'd agree with you though) |
| 16:49 | <@Ling> | Health tip: don't take that stance with dildos. Sanatize thost inputs. |
| 16:50 | | * Derakon facepalms. |
| 16:50 | <&Derakon> | Yes, because even if you're the only person using a dildo, you're still sharing it with, what, millions of bacteria? |
| 16:52 | <@Ling> | You're supposed to wash your bedsheets every two weeks. |
| 16:52 | <@Ling> | Same concept |
| 16:52 | | EvilDarkLord is now known as Maze |
| 16:53 | <@Ling> | Also if you ever get sick, it'll act like a vector and reinfect you. |
| 16:57 | <&Derakon> | Honestly if you don't feel a little nasty after two weeks without washing sheets then you're probably too densensitized to dirt. |
| 16:57 | | * Ling is confused to your stance now |
| 16:59 | <&Derakon> | I'm saying that if I let my sheets go two weeks then I don't want to sleep in them until they've been washed. |
| 17:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Just to be pedantic, you never really "sanitize" inputs. You sanity check them and bail if they're unacceptable. Which is what python gives you by default |
| 17:19 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Unless you pass -1 :P |
| 17:23 | <&Derakon> | I read the difference between sanitizing and the default behavior as the difference between getting an "invalid index" exception and getting an "invalid argument" exception. |
| 17:23 | <&Derakon> | Er, invalid argument value. |
| 17:23 | <&Derakon> | Ideally the latter would tell you "hey dumbass, you can only use values between 0 and 4". |
| 17:24 | < Rhamphoryncus> | That's general vs specific exception |
| 17:25 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It's.. related |
| 17:25 | < Rhamphoryncus> | If the exception is buried away then it's not obvious how your argument caused it |
| 17:26 | <&Derakon> | Right. |
| 17:26 | < ShellNinja> | Hmm. I want to put a % into a C formatted string. What's the code for it? Putting it right there leads to issues with %d. |
| 17:26 | <&Derakon> | %% |
| 17:26 | < ShellNinja> | Thanks. |
| 17:35 | | * ToxicFrog does the first official release of the Kessler daemon. My first significant Scala project! |
| 17:45 | <&Derakon> | \o/ |
| 17:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | ( http://github.com/ToxicFrog/kessler if anyone wants to take a look ) |
| 17:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | (yes, that use of mutable collections in ksp.Object does make me feel dirty) |
| 17:50 | < RichyB> | It's not particularly dirty if you don't break referential transparency. |
| 17:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | The whole ksp.Object API breaks referential transparency hardcore :/ |
| 17:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm gradually improving this, though. |
| 17:51 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Augh, I think I've spent too much time staring at a flashing screen. It feels like everything is still flashing even when I'm looking at IRC |
| 17:51 | < Rhamphoryncus> | (maximized, black text on white background) |
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| 18:15 | < Tarinaky> | Hurdurp. |
| 18:16 | < Tarinaky> | What does: TypeError: 'module' object is not callable mean? |
| 18:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Exactly what it says: you're trying to call a module |
| 18:16 | < Tarinaky> | Ah. Capitalisation fail. |
| 18:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | >>> import json |
| 18:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | >>> json |
| 18:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | <module 'json' from '/usr/lib/python2.7/json/__init__.pyc'> |
| 18:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | >>> json() |
| 18:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | TypeError: 'module' object is not callable |
| 18:17 | < Tarinaky> | I was calling pygame.surface instead of pygame.Surface >.> |
| 18:18 | < ShellNinja> | Can SDL_image load BMPs too, or do I need to use the basic load function for those? |
| 18:22 | < ShellNinja> | Yes, it can. :D |
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| 18:30 | <@Ling> | SDL_image can load pngs, jpgs, and bmps IIRC |
| 18:56 | < Rhamphoryncus> | http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5101/getfile/8220/Skyscrapist%20inc.,%202316-12-02. png |
| 18:57 | <@Tamber> | Woah. |
| 18:59 | < Rhamphoryncus> | My head is hurting after watching it so much |
| 19:01 | < Tarinaky> | I don't even know what I'm looking at. |
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| 19:02 | < ShellNinja> | OpenTTD, with bug. |
| 19:02 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Openttd uses dirty rectangles to only update part of the screen. I hacked it to overlay a colour (using checkboard) of each, with the colour changing each tick (frame) |
| 19:04 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The effect lets you see which parts of the screen are being redrawn |
| 19:04 | < Tarinaky> | Ahah. |
| 19:05 | < Rhamphoryncus> | There's quite a lot of unnecessary drawing |
| 19:05 | < Tarinaky> | Well, I'm currently handrolling my own ui in PyGame now because Qt annoyed me. |
| 19:05 | < Tarinaky> | Upside: Qt was being phenominally slow and would have been difficult to optimise anyway |
| 19:05 | < Tarinaky> | Downside: Taking so long to get anything done :( |
| 19:19 | <@jerith> | Tarinaky: If you look at the code for Mutable Mamba (mutable-mamba.org) you should be able to extract our widget library. |
| 19:19 | <@jerith> | Look at the level editor stuff. |
| 19:20 | <@jerith> | I can't remember how good it is, but widget libraries in pygame are a pain. |
| 19:20 | < ShellNinja> | Is there an SDL library that expands upon SDL_mixer, allowing MP3 files to be loaded? |
| 19:20 | < Tarinaky> | I'm doing okay for now. |
| 19:20 | < Tarinaky> | It's just it's going to take longer. |
| 19:20 | <@jerith> | Alternatively, maybe look at "albow". |
| 19:20 | < Tarinaky> | Which makes me sad. |
| 19:20 | < Tarinaky> | Primarily because I am lazy. |
| 19:21 | <@jerith> | Tarinaky: It gets horribly complicated as soon as you try to handle focus and modal popups. |
| 19:21 | < Tarinaky> | ShellNinja: Not as FOSS; mp3 support requires paying licensing. |
| 19:21 | < Tarinaky> | Popups are simple. Don't. |
| 19:21 | < Tarinaky> | :p |
| 19:21 | < Tarinaky> | Focus will be a bitch, yes. But I think I can handle what little I need of that. |
| 19:22 | <@jerith> | Tarinaky: There are good reasons to do modal popups. |
| 19:22 | <@jerith> | (We've needed them a lot.) |
| 19:23 | < Tarinaky> | https://github.com/Tarinaky/DuelFieldStars/tree/master/duelfieldstars/ui_abstrac t Well, this is the track I'm on atm with it. |
| 19:24 | < ShellNinja> | How about other compressed sound formats? I don't really care which, as long as the files aren't 40Mb huge. |
| 19:24 | <@jerith> | ShellNinja: oggs. |
| 19:24 | <@jerith> | I'm pretty sure that's what we used with pygame. |
| 19:24 | <@jerith> | Better format than mp3, anyway. :-) |
| 19:26 | <@jerith> | Tarinaky: You probably want to pass your widget's draw method a surface to draw on or something. |
| 19:27 | < ShellNinja> | Back to my question: any SDL libraries that load those into MixChunks? |
| 19:27 | <@jerith> | ShellNinja: No idea. I've only ever used SDL through pygame, and I haven't really done any of the sound stuff there. |
| 19:28 | < ShellNinja> | I see. |
| 19:30 | < Tarinaky> | jerith: Not self.surface? |
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| 19:31 | <@jerith> | Does each widget have its own surface? |
| 19:32 | < Tarinaky> | Yes. |
| 19:32 | <@jerith> | Or does it have a copy of the main surface? |
| 19:32 | < Tarinaky> | It has its own texture to draw on. |
| 19:32 | < Tarinaky> | Window blits each widget onto itself. |
| 19:33 | <@jerith> | Ah, okay. |
| 19:33 | <@jerith> | Cool. :-) |
| 20:04 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Ouch. Traced through a bug.. and found a comment explaining why it was done that way. And it's justified. |
| 20:04 | < Tarinaky> | Derpy question: |
| 20:05 | < Tarinaky> | How do you split a compound if statement over several lines? |
| 20:05 | < Tarinaky> | For example if a or b or c or... |
| 20:05 | < Rhamphoryncus> | if (a or b |
| 20:05 | < Rhamphoryncus> | or c): |
| 20:06 | < Tarinaky> | Ahah |
| 20:07 | < Tarinaky> | Cheers. |
| 20:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | You can also use \ at the end of the line, but that's kind of discouraged now. Ugly. |
| 20:09 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It's good for starting multiline string literals though. x = """\ |
| 20:10 | < Tarinaky> | """ is a multiline string anyway? |
| 20:10 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yes |
| 20:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | But the escape removes the linefeed |
| 20:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | So you can do this: |
| 20:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | x = """\ |
| 20:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Hello World! |
| 20:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | """ |
| 20:11 | < Rhamphoryncus> | and x == "Hello World!\n". Otherwise it'd be "\nHello World!\n" |
| 20:13 | < Tarinaky> | Oh. Derp |
| 20:14 | < Tarinaky> | ... Why does list.reverse reverse the list in situ :/ |
| 20:14 | < Tarinaky> | That seems... silly. |
| 20:14 | < Tarinaky> | Indeed, I don't want to actually reverse the list. I just want to iterate backwards >.> |
| 20:16 | < Tarinaky> | Ah, I want 'reversed(seq)'. |
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| 20:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Yeah, the tense is meant to hint at that |
| 20:39 | < Rhamphoryncus> | like .sort() vs sorted() |
| 20:41 | < RichyB> | I think PEP-8 demands that when you continue an expression, you end the previous line with an operator |
| 20:41 | <@jerith> | reversed() was a later addition people people complained about the in-place stuff, IIRC. |
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| 20:55 | < ShellNinja> | I want to convert wav (or mp3) to ogg. What's the command under Linux? (What utilities do I need to install?) |
| 20:56 | <&McMartin> | oggenc is the utility |
| 20:57 | < ShellNinja> | Doesn't seem to be installed, or in the default repository. |
| 20:58 | <&McMartin> | It's probably something like oggutils or vorbisutils |
| 21:00 | < ShellNinja> | There's an oggconvert. |
| 21:05 | < ShellNinja> | BAH. It is GUI-only. I am disappoint. |
| 21:05 | < ShellNinja> | It doesn't seem *proper* to use GUI for something like this. |
| 21:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Use sox ¬¬ |
| 21:07 | < Tarinaky> | http://wav2mp3.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:07 | < gnolam> | ffmpeg? |
| 21:07 | < Tarinaky> | First hit for wav2ogg |
| 21:08 | < Tarinaky> | http://howto-pages.org/ffmpeg/#basicaudio << Using ffmpeg |
| 21:09 | | * ShellNinja uses the gui-only thing. |
| 21:09 | < ShellNinja> | Awright. Development directory slimmed down to 1/10th original size. |
| 21:10 | < ShellNinja> | Mix_LoadWAV is misnamed. <_< |
| 21:16 | < ShellNinja> | Lots of work done over two days to refactor this mess. Unfortunately, it doesn't really show from the user side. But at least I'll have an easier time expanding content now. |
| 21:16 | <&McMartin> | SDL_mixer is very, very finicky. |
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