| --- Log opened Thu Dec 08 00:00:35 2011 |
| 00:28 | | * gnolam flails at wording |
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| 00:44 | < gnolam> | Oh hey, finishing up the manual helped find some accessibility issues as well. |
| 00:58 | < McMartin> | Heh |
| 00:58 | < McMartin> | Nothing like writing down all the operations to see what's missing |
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| 01:53 | < gnolam> | "However, material compositions with element percentages totaling more or less than 100% are still valid." |
| 01:53 | < gnolam> | For some reason, this amuses me to no end. |
| 01:53 | < gnolam> | "What does this material consist of then?" |
| 01:54 | < gnolam> | "Oh, it's 50% hydrogen and 25% oxygen." |
| 01:54 | < gnolam> | "... and the rest?" |
| 01:54 | < gnolam> | "There's nothing else! There's just 50% hydrogen and 25% oxygen!" |
| 01:57 | <@Namegduf> | Where's this from? |
| 01:59 | < Derakon> | Gnolam: nah, everything's like .01% protons/neutrons/electrons and the rest vacuum~ |
| 02:01 | < gnolam> | The manual I'm writing. |
| 02:03 | < gnolam> | (The actual reason is that the (mass) percentages are normalized to 100%. So if something contains a fuck-all amount of something, and thus won't affect your result, you can just leave it out and keep the other percentages as-is.) |
| 02:08 | < gnolam> | (A second reason being rounding - if you look up the material composition of something, it might well sum to above 100% due to rounding.) |
| 02:09 | <@Namegduf> | Absolutely vital for working with Tiberium, too. |
| 02:09 | < gnolam> | Heh |
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| 02:15 | | * McMartin writes up some more specs |
| 02:15 | < McMartin> | Pre-OO OO coding requires a certain mindset. |
| 02:16 | < McMartin> | Also, \o/ |
| 02:16 | | * McMartin has been doing crazy QA stuff as a dev |
| 02:17 | < McMartin> | "If we do these innocuous things in this order it ought to break horribly" |
| 02:17 | < McMartin> | Whitebox testing can be fun~ |
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| 02:58 | < Tamber> | McM: Bonus points if that sequence of innocuous things is how you're supposed to use it. |
| 02:59 | < McMartin> | It's a bit of a corner case, but it's not intrinsically unreasonable |
| 02:59 | < McMartin> | It's possible to set orthogonal, conflicting configure settings, basically |
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| 04:02 | < thalass> | hey folks. Anyone using Gnome 3 yet? |
| 04:03 | < McMartin> | Have been for several months. |
| 04:03 | < McMartin> | Fedora's had it since Fedora 15 |
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| 04:29 | < thalass> | Damnit. Had to reboot. I didn't see if there were any answers to my question. |
| 04:32 | < Derakon> | [20:03] <McMartin> Have been for several months. |
| 04:32 | < Derakon> | [20:03] <McMartin> Fedora's had it since Fedora 15 |
| 04:32 | < Derakon> | That's it. |
| 04:46 | < Eri> | Ugh, Gnome 3 |
| 04:47 | < Eri> | Played with it while I was trying to fix the problems connecting my phone to the computer |
| 04:47 | < Eri> | Not impressed |
| 04:47 | < Eri> | Maybe I'm just an old man, but I don't really like change |
| 04:48 | < Eri> | Or, rather, it's too much change, too fast. I actually got the impression that it was intended to emulate the user interface of a phone |
| 04:48 | < Eri> | That's not kosher, because what works for a phone may not work for a non-touch enabled computer |
| 04:49 | < McMartin> | They're not as psychopathic about it as Steve was about OS X 10.7, but they're being less psychopathic than MS is with Window s8 |
| 04:51 | < Eri> | I'm kind of bothered that Mint adopted it. I don't really want to stay at Mint 11 into perpetuity, but I also don't want to move to 12, using gnome 3 |
| 04:54 | < celticminstrel> | What's this about Lions? |
| 05:00 | < thalass> | Ah. I ask because the new Ubuntus use Unity, and having looked at Gnome 3, it seems to be similar. And i prefer the regular Gnome desktop, too. |
| 05:02 | < thalass> | It does seem to be a trend with OS companies lately. They all seem to think that the desktop (and laptop, i guess) is dead, and we'll all be using slate tablets exclusively in the future. |
| 05:05 | < McMartin> | Unity is basically a less-shitty version of Gnome 3 |
| 05:05 | < McMartin> | Note that GTK3 is much less obnoxious than GTK2, apparently |
| 05:07 | < thalass> | ah. I have tried unity with ubuntu 10.04, and didn't like it (changed it to gnome). I was hoping when i upgrade to 12.04 i could keep gnome. I guess there are other more traditional desktop environments out there i could try. |
| 05:13 | < Eri> | None of this X11 bullshit, let's go back to the future and do it all from terminal |
| 05:13 | < McMartin> | Unity has improved a lot in 11.10 |
| 05:13 | < Eri> | That'll show them |
| 05:13 | < Eri> | Stick it to the man |
| 05:13 | < McMartin> | And I actually do mostly use ssh to interact with it; I don't use GNOME 3 *much* but I do use it. |
| 05:14 | < thalass> | I use ssh all the time with my phone... through nautilus. :P |
| 05:15 | < thalass> | I'm still not that good with the CLI |
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| 06:17 | | * jerith hates the obnoxious philosophy of "we know better than you do, so you don't get to configure stuff" that both Gnome and Unity have adopted. |
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| 06:33 | < Eri> | I think they're emulating the mac line of thought, there |
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| 06:35 | < thalass> | I thought that was the complete opposite of the linux philosophy? |
| 06:35 | <@jerith> | Yeah. Except I'm able to configure OSX enough to be productive on it. I can't do that with Unity. |
| 06:35 | < Tamber> | Since when has Canonical ever cared what the community wants, if they want to push their own "We can be Apple too!"? ?? |
| 06:36 | <@jerith> | As a particularly offensive example, there was no way to configure what showed up in the notification area thing last time I used it. |
| 06:37 | <@jerith> | If you wanted to disable something, you had to uninstall the package. |
| 06:37 | <@jerith> | Which is fine if you're the only person using the machine. |
| 06:38 | <@jerith> | But what about when your girlfriend wants the "shout your status ti the world!" button, but you don't? |
| 06:38 | <@jerith> | *to |
| 06:40 | < Eri> | In that case, it's okay to remove the functionality |
| 06:40 | < Eri> | I don't want to hear your girlfriends status |
| 06:40 | < Eri> | But, I get what you mean |
| 06:40 | < Tamber> | "But you mean people might /not/ want to shout their status to the world? What bizarro world do you live on?!" ;) |
| 06:42 | <@jerith> | It took bloody forever to discover that the individual bits /could/ be uninstalled. |
| 06:43 | < Tamber> | jerith, this is when I try not to smile /too/ much, whilst pointing out to the people who bitched about there being "too much choice", that there's a reason why there is so much choice and why it's a good thing. ?? |
| 06:46 | | * Vornicus likes the way the win7 notifications bar thinks. |
| 06:47 | < Eri> | Notifications appear by default, but can be selectively disabled? |
| 06:47 | < Eri> | And are collapsed into a menu? |
| 06:47 | <~Vornicus> That, yeah. |
| 06:47 | < Eri> | Yeah |
| 06:47 | <~Vornicus> Especially the collapse-to-menu thing. |
| 06:47 | <~Vornicus> Only show me the important ones, plzkthx |
| 06:47 | < Eri> | Although I definitely still had some problems with that action center |
| 06:48 | < Eri> | It wouldn't stop bitching about out of date drivers, even after I told action center to ignore it |
| 06:48 | < Eri> | But, oh well. I'm not running Windows 7 anymore |
| 07:00 | < thalass> | heh |
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| 11:45 | < Reiver> | Hey, Vornicus |
| 11:45 | < Reiver> | What's the curve for '2d6, take highest'? |
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| 11:52 | < Reiver> | aha, got it |
| 11:53 | < AnnoDomini> | "x:=2d6;sum(largest 1 x)" <- Put this in http://topps.diku.dk/torbenm/troll.msp |
| 11:54 | < gnolam> | ... Troll dice roller? |
| 11:54 | < gnolam> | "Problem, probability?" |
| 11:55 | < Reiver> | "output [highest 1 of 2d6]" into http://anydice.com/ worked too |
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| 11:56 | < Reiver> | It at least happily solved my instinctive quandry - whether you should hope for 4 or 5 when rolling the thing |
| 11:56 | < Reiver> | Turns out the mean is 4~ |
| 11:56 | < Reiver> | er |
| 11:56 | < Reiver> | 4.5~ |
| 11:56 | < Reiver> | Hence my brain puzzling so. :) |
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| 14:35 | <~Vornicus> median is 5, mode is 6. |
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| 15:50 | < gnolam> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1INJ2tAEsc |
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| 16:57 | < kwsn> | dear linux: why is ioport.h not in /usr/include/linux/ ? |
| 17:04 | < Tamber> | Hysterical raisins? |
| 17:06 | < kwsn> | no clue |
| 17:32 | < Ling> | Looks like a change from 3.0 |
| 17:33 | < Ling> | locate finds them for me in /usr/src/linux-ARCH-3.0/ |
| 17:33 | < kwsn> | and it exists according to the LXR for 2.6.33 |
| 17:39 | < TheWatcher> | Doesn't exist at all on my 2.6.39 kernel systems |
| 17:40 | < TheWatcher> | What's it got in it? |
| 17:40 | < kwsn> | basically allows a process to secure IO ports for the time |
| 17:42 | < Tamber> | it's in /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`-gentoo/include/linux/ for me. I would /presume/ it's specific to the version of the kernel, so it would make sense to be in the kernel sources. |
| 17:43 | < kwsn> | not there |
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