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| 01:19 | | * gnolam eyes IEEE. |
| 01:20 | < gnolam> | The only available PDF of a 2004 paper is one made from a /scanned/ copy? Really? |
| 01:21 | < Tamber> | They are rather depressing, sometimes. |
| 01:22 | < gnolam> | Well, at least they don't (just) take contributions in Microsoft Word format. |
| 01:22 | | * gnolam glares at IRPA. |
| 01:38 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 02:10 | < gnolam> | whee, found a non-scanned version |
| 02:11 | < gnolam> | Now, the graphs are actually /readable/! |
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| 02:45 | < gnolam> | Also: the kudos to its authors for "an Eulerian" instead of that awful "a Eulerian". |
| 02:50 | < gnolam> | -the |
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| 05:55 | | * Derakon eyes his cellphone, wonders why they put the comma on the second page of punctuation, but the semicolon on the first page. |
| 06:00 | < celticminstrel> | ... |
| 06:05 | | * Vornicus can't think of any situation where semicolons are more common than commas, so cannot suggest a ridiculous context. |
| 06:06 | <@jerith> | Java. |
| 06:07 | < Tamber> | C? |
| 06:09 | <~Vornicus> Neither |
| 06:09 | <~Vornicus> Function calls and declarations, and array literals, both use commas extensively. |
| 06:11 | <@jerith> | Vornicus: I find Java code still has more semicolons than commas. |
| 06:13 | <~Vornicus> True. |
| 06:13 | < Kazriko> | how often would you write java code on a phone? |
| 06:13 | <~Vornicus> Kaz: this is the kind of ridiculous situation I'm talking about. |
| 06:14 | <~Vornicus> Maybe the UI designers spent all their time writing /etc/passwd or someth-- no, that's colons, isn't it. |
| 06:14 | <@jerith> | Indeed. |
| 06:14 | | * jerith generally writes Python rather than Java on his phone. |
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| 06:15 | < Derakon> | I have a dumbphone, so I don't write code on it at all. |
| 06:16 | | * jerith recalls his Samsung from 3 phones ago. |
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| 06:17 | <@jerith> | It had a different input method for the three different places you could enter text. |
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| 19:41 | | * kwsn stabs gcc, that or her brain |
| 19:43 | < kwsn> | (chances are this is a PEBKAC error...) |
| 19:46 | <@jerith> | We can't help if you don't tell us, though. |
| 19:47 | < kwsn> | "undefined reference to <function>" |
| 19:47 | < kwsn> | #includes are all there |
| 19:49 | <@jerith> | grep? |
| 19:49 | <@jerith> | Linkers? |
| 19:49 | < kwsn> | what do you mean? |
| 19:49 | < kwsn> | that's the error i get from gcc... |
| 19:49 | <@jerith> | grep for the function. |
| 19:50 | <@jerith> | Check that you're linking in all the appropriate libs. |
| 19:50 | < kwsn> | hun, i'm looking at the .h file as we speak... |
| 19:50 | < kwsn> | and it's included |
| 19:52 | <@jerith> | Doesn't "undefined reference" mean it's compiled, but can't find the exported symbol anywhere? |
| 19:52 | < kwsn> | i think so? I don't use gcc much |
| 19:54 | <@jerith> | Yeah, that's a linker error. |
| 19:54 | < kwsn> | ah |
| 19:55 | <@jerith> | Is it a makefile? |
| 19:55 | < kwsn> | nope |
| 19:55 | < kwsn> | just doing gcc file.c |
| 19:55 | <@jerith> | What's the gcc commandline? |
| 19:55 | <@jerith> | Ah. |
| 19:55 | < kwsn> | "gcc file.c" |
| 19:55 | < kwsn> | :P |
| 19:55 | <@jerith> | Is the whole thing one file? |
| 19:56 | < kwsn> | yup |
| 19:56 | < kwsn> | o |
| 19:56 | < kwsn> | well |
| 19:56 | < kwsn> | yes and no |
| 19:56 | < ToxicFrog> | Is the function from another library? |
| 19:56 | < kwsn> | hold on yeah there's my issue |
| 19:56 | | * kwsn swears |
| 19:57 | < ToxicFrog> | "undefined reference", specifically, means it found the declaration (typically in the header) but couldn't find the actual code for the function (typically because you forgot a .c or .o file or forgot to link in one of your libraries with -lfoo) |
| 19:57 | < kwsn> | i forgot a .c >_< |
| 19:58 | | * kwsn sighs |
| 19:58 | <@jerith> | :-) |
| 19:59 | < kwsn> | which opens up another massive can of worms :/ |
| 19:59 | < kwsn> | dear linux |
| 19:59 | <@jerith> | Stupid issues like that are better than the ones that take weeks to debug. |
| 20:00 | < kwsn> | is there a c interpetor shell for linux? |
| 20:01 | <@jerith> | C isn't really amenable to being interpreted. |
| 20:02 | < kwsn> | jerith: clearly you've never used vxworks |
| 20:02 | <@jerith> | No, but I have some friends who did so professionally. |
| 20:02 | <@jerith> | (I think.) |
| 20:03 | < kwsn> | it has a shell like that |
| 20:03 | < kwsn> | it works very nicely ^_^ |
| 20:03 | <@jerith> | Yeah, that sounds like what they used. |
| 20:03 | < kwsn> | makes testing a snap at times |
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| 20:04 | <@jerith> | Ah, it isn't actually C. Just very similar. |
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| 20:30 | < McMartin> | You're thinking of tcsh, yeah |
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| 20:31 | <@jerith> | McMartin: I think vxworks has its own shell, which is more C-like.. |
| 20:32 | < kwsn> | yeah |
| 20:32 | < kwsn> | in vxworks you can go "printf("hello world\n");" and it'll print |
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| 20:42 | < ToxicFrog> | It's not actual C, though, it's just C-like. |
| 20:42 | < ToxicFrog> | If you feed it a real C file it'll probably encounter something that causes it to barf. |
| 20:43 | < ToxicFrog> | I remember years and years ago seeing an actual C intepreter (Ch, I think?) but it was (a) payware (b) windows-only and (c) didn't actually work completely. |
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| 21:18 | < celticminstrel> | ...heh, ?>...<?php works inside a function. |
| 21:20 | < kwsn> | gotta love php eh? |
| 21:22 | <@jerith> | celticminstrel: I used to use that a lot when I did PHP. |
| 21:22 | <@jerith> | Any time I wanted multiline output, actually. |
| 21:23 | < celticminstrel> | I just copy-pasted the code from in the middle of my HTML and plopped it into a function, and all I had to do to make it work was add a global statement. |
| 21:23 | <@jerith> | PHP makes me sad, though. |
| 21:27 | < kwsn> | remember kids |
| 21:28 | < kwsn> | even if you reinvent php better |
| 21:28 | < kwsn> | that's still no justification |
| 21:30 | < celticminstrel> | ...now my button moved for no apparent reason. :/ |
| 21:30 | < kwsn> | ... |
| 21:31 | < kwsn> | celticminstrel: quit using PHP? :P |
| 21:31 | < celticminstrel> | No, it's not that. |
| 21:31 | < celticminstrel> | I think it turns out it's that div I didn't need anymore; about to test. |
| 21:32 | < celticminstrel> | Yup, that was it. |
| 21:32 | < celticminstrel> | I didn't need it so I removed the style rule that kept it hidden. :P |
| 21:37 | < TheWatcher> | I'd still say kwsn has a valid suggestion~ |
| 21:38 | < celticminstrel> | True. |
| 21:38 | < celticminstrel> | This code is probably horribly inefficient as well. <_< |
| 21:38 | | * kwsn finally is getting her stuff to compile, now comes the fun part of trying to get to /work/ |
| 21:38 | < celticminstrel> | Heh. |
| 21:39 | < celticminstrel> | Get it to work, I presume. |
| 21:39 | < kwsn> | yup |
| 21:39 | < kwsn> | ... and i'm probably segfaulting YAY |
| 21:40 | < McMartin> | TO THE DEBUGGER MOBILE |
| 21:40 | < celticminstrel> | At least OSX gives me a stack trace for segfaults. |
| 21:40 | < celticminstrel> | That's pretty helpful. |
| 21:41 | < McMartin> | Are you on Windows? |
| 21:41 | < McMartin> | Because, if so, WinDbg or GTFO, basically |
| 21:42 | < McMartin> | On Linux, making it segfault in gdb is the way to go |
| 21:42 | < kwsn> | McMartin: i know exactly what's segfaulting -_- |
| 21:42 | < McMartin> | I'm not sure if gdb is still unusable shit on OS X, but it was the last time I tried. |
| 21:42 | < McMartin> | Among other things, "step" was synonymous with "continue" >_< |
| 21:42 | < celticminstrel> | I don't recall that being the case. |
| 21:43 | < McMartin> | It may have only been for multithreaded programs |
| 21:43 | < celticminstrel> | Step and continue were distinct last I checked. |
| 21:43 | < McMartin> | Sure |
| 21:43 | < McMartin> | What I mean is, you'd say "step" |
| 21:43 | < celticminstrel> | ...I wasn't doing multithreaded, true. |
| 21:43 | < McMartin> | and instead of "step" it would just keep on cruising |
| 21:43 | < McMartin> | So I had to breakpoint every single source line |
| 21:43 | < celticminstrel> | Odd. |
| 21:43 | < celticminstrel> | Was this an Apple version or a MacPorts version or what? |
| 21:45 | < McMartin> | The one with X-Code 3, under 10.5. |
| 21:48 | < celticminstrel> | Well, it always worked fine for me. |
| 21:48 | < kwsn> | yup |
| 21:48 | < kwsn> | i'm segfaulting :< |
| 22:05 | | * kwsn sighs |
| 22:05 | < kwsn> | i have to compile with -O cause otherwise inb/outb won't work :< |
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| 22:06 | < kwsn> | but doing that breaks the compile |
| 22:06 | < kwsn> | rawr :< |
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| 22:15 | | * Derakon eyes this "SDK" he needs to figure out how to interoperate with. |
| 22:16 | < Derakon> | It's structured as a dialog generated by a Borland app wizard. |
| 22:17 | | * Derakon eyes the "documentation" for same. |
| 22:17 | < Derakon> | OnInitDialog(): ...The first step in the program is to initialize some global variables that are used throughout the program... |
| 22:24 | | * AD[Shell] wonders WTF. |
| 22:25 | < AD[Shell]> | Something is seriously wrong with my filesystem. |
| 22:26 | < AD[Shell]> | Or my Linux or whatever. Imma reboot, see what the deal is. |
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| 22:42 | < AD[Shell]> | Very intredasting. |
| 22:43 | < AD[Shell]> | The filesystem had errors. Files lost were the ones I modified or created while using my BackTrack live USB (accessing the Debian filesystem). |
| 22:44 | < McMartin> | Somebody's got a shitty ext3 driver? |
| 22:47 | < AD[Shell]> | Probably. Fortunately, I had a backup of my work (the important parts, anyway) in my brain. |
| 22:48 | <@jerith> | My brain isn't reliable enough for that. |
| 22:49 | < Derakon> | That's why he didn't use your brain for the backups. |
| 22:53 | <@jerith> | Quite. |
| 22:53 | < AD[Shell]> | My continued internet access hinges on keeping track of certain strings of characters. <_< |
| 22:53 | <@jerith> | Any strings in particular? |
| 22:54 | < AD[Shell]> | Strings of five ASCII characters or ten hexadecimal digits. |
| 22:56 | <@jerith> | ATDT15551234 perhaps? |
| 22:57 | < AD[Shell]> | I *wish* that I had something as reliable. |
| 22:58 | <@jerith> | What are these magic characters for? |
| 22:58 | <@jerith> | WEP passwords? |
| 23:00 | < AD[Shell]> | Mayhap~ |
| 23:00 | <@jerith> | Other people's? |
| 23:02 | < AD[Shell]> | Maaaybe. <_< |
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| 23:15 | < AD[Shell]> | I have to wonder, what kind of person understands how to set up MAC filtering and yet uses WEP? |
| 23:16 | < TheWatcher> | Someone that doesn't realise you can change your mac address? |
| 23:17 | < AD[Shell]> | And also somehow missed the memo about WEP being deprecated. |
| 23:21 | < ToxicFrog> | Someone who has to interoperate with old shitty hardware that doesn't support WPA, most likely. |
| 23:28 | < AD[Shell]> | Not the case. Research shows that they are using an AirLink-89300 produced by Jensen Scandinavia. |
| 23:28 | < AD[Shell]> | It is a pretty nifty piece of hardware. |
| 23:29 | < ToxicFrog> | Yeah, but they may have an old laptop or similar that only talks WEP that needs to connect to it. |
| 23:29 | < AD[Shell]> | Ah. But if they shelled out serious moneys for a wireless router with 20 years of warranty, why won't they just get a new laptop? |
| 23:36 | < TheWatcher> | ... I read that as "serious monkeys", I think I need sleep |
| 23:36 | < McMartin> | THESE ARE SERIOUS MONKEYS |
| 23:36 | < McMartin> | THIS IS SERIOUS MONKEY BUSINESS |
| 23:38 | < AD[Shell]> | TCP/IP with flying monkey carrier. |
| 23:39 | < TheWatcher> | So that's how wireless works! |
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