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| 03:00 | < Tamber> | Gnight all. |
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| 12:56 | | * TheWatcher[afk] EYES IE |
| 12:56 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 12:56 | < TheWatcher> | what the everliving fuck... |
| 12:57 | < Tamber> | What'd it break now? |
| 12:57 | < TheWatcher> | mootools, apparently |
| 13:00 | < TheWatcher> | Found out 'why' my popup code fails on IE - http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/484 line 4 there generates a "Object does not support this property or method" error |
| 13:00 | < Tamber> | o.0 |
| 13:00 | < TheWatcher> | Which, when I inspect it, is true - it doesn't have the getProperty() method (which should be being added by mootools). |
| 13:00 | < TheWatcher> | In fact, it doesn't have any mootools-defined extended methods |
| 13:00 | < Tamber> | ...oh dear. |
| 13:01 | < TheWatcher> | But mootools must be working for it to even get that far, given the code on, say, line 12. |
| 13:08 | < TheWatcher> | And it's not a jQuery conflict, either. Sod. |
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| 17:25 | < ErikMesoy> | kwsn: the programming language checklist keeps being awesome |
| 17:25 | < kwsn> | did it update? |
| 17:25 | < ErikMesoy> | AFAIK, no |
| 17:25 | < kwsn> | ah |
| 17:25 | < ErikMesoy> | It's just been sitting on my computer and I haven't managed to close the tab, somehow |
| 17:26 | < kwsn> | ^_^ |
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| 20:46 | | * gnolam arrrghs at password requirements. |
| 20:46 | < ErikMesoy> | I feel your pain. |
| 20:46 | < ErikMesoy> | What are the requirements now? |
| 20:48 | < Tamber> | "27 unique characters; only symbols, and nothing from the BMP" |
| 20:48 | < gnolam> | The usual (mixed case, digits, etc). Not Handelsbanken awful, but still bad enough for a fucking forum. |
| 20:49 | < gnolam> | And the result is the predictable "well then, I guess I'll have to use the same weak 'strong' password I use /on every other damn thing that requires this/ to be able to remember it. Thanks a lot." |
| 20:49 | | * TheWatcher gives gnolam a stapled battery that his horse has deemed correct. |
| 20:50 | < ErikMesoy> | gnolam: Do they require you to change it every month? |
| 20:50 | | * Tamber gives TheWatcher's horse a sugar cube. |
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| 21:37 | | * ToxicFrog finishes rooting and hopefully unlocking his phone |
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| 21:53 | | * TheWatcher \o/s, has been given Official Permission to institute a "Shit: Not Given, Even Slightly" policy for < IE8 in work |
| 21:54 | < TheWatcher> | TF: which phone? |
| 21:56 | < McMartin> | \o/ |
| 22:03 | < ToxicFrog> | TheWatcher: yay! |
| 22:03 | < ToxicFrog> | (Samsung Galaxy S I9000) |
| 22:03 | < ToxicFrog> | Also, unlocking confirmed, borrowed someone else's SIM for a few minutes. |
| 22:03 | < TheWatcher> | woot |
| 22:04 | < McMartin> | Is that a phone or a tab? |
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| 22:18 | < ToxicFrog> | McMartin: touchscreen phone. |
| 22:19 | < ToxicFrog> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S |
| 22:24 | < Stalker> | "Yielding 20 million triangles per second!" |
| 22:25 | < Stalker> | I love how people count ability in electronics. |
| 22:29 | < ToxicFrog> | triangles per unit time is not an unreasonable measure for low-power graphics accelerators. |
| 22:29 | < ToxicFrog> | Divide by 30 and that gives you the maximum scene complexity. |
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| 22:29 | < Derakon> | Only 30FPS, eh? |
| 22:32 | < ToxicFrog> | 30fps is generally considered "minimum for it to look good", yeah. |
| 22:37 | < Stalker> | TF: No it's not. |
| 22:37 | < Stalker> | But I'm quite sure that wasn't what they thought when they were designing new computers ten years ago. |
| 22:37 | < Stalker> | ... or maybe it was exactly what they thought. |
| 22:37 | < McMartin> | Well |
| 22:37 | < McMartin> | Ultima Underworld occasionally had fractional FPS |
| 22:37 | < McMartin> | But it was zomg teh 3d |
| 22:38 | < ToxicFrog> | ...yes it is? Below that it starts to feel or look wrong (unless the game is carefully designed to feel "right" even at low framerates). |
| 22:39 | < Stalker> | The above was a response to: "<ToxicFrog> triangles per unit time is not an unreasonable measure for low-power graphics accelerators." |
| 22:39 | < Stalker> | But since I am at work, I may get interrupted and my answers may be delayed. |
| 22:39 | < ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
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| 22:40 | < Stalker> | Sorry for the confuzzlion. |
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| 23:14 | < lol_> | == |
| 23:14 | < Derakon> | Get out. |
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| 23:25 | < TheWatcher> | For the love of god, could someone fix the aops in here? |
| 23:31 | < McMartin> | ? |
| 23:37 | < TheWatcher> | McM: nobody in here save Vorn has ops, because /chanserv aop #fleet list = #code AOP list is empty. |
| 23:38 | < TheWatcher> | *#code |
| 23:38 | < McMartin> | Aha |
| 23:38 | < TheWatcher> | blegh |
| 23:46 | | SchoolPhox [ccae3c50@Nightstar-36f67fd0.mibbit.com] has joined #code |
| 23:46 | < SchoolPhox> | So, I'm overloading operators in C++. |
| 23:46 | < McMartin> | DUN DUN *DUN* |
| 23:46 | < SchoolPhox> | Yeah, well, it feels like there needs to be one of those |
| 23:47 | < SchoolPhox> | Anywhoo, I've got, I dunno, two arrays and I want to add them |
| 23:47 | < McMartin> | I suppose there's more to this statement than just taht. |
| 23:47 | < McMartin> | Mmm |
| 23:47 | < McMartin> | OK, stop right there |
| 23:47 | < McMartin> | You want std::vectors, not arrays. |
| 23:47 | < SchoolPhox> | Well, they're actually teacher-defined objects |
| 23:48 | < SchoolPhox> | Essentially vectors, sans the built in functions |
| 23:48 | < SchoolPhox> | He calls them FixedVectors. It's got a size and an array pointer inside |
| 23:48 | | * McMartin nods |
| 23:48 | < McMartin> | Yeah, because you're gonna need that size =) |
| 23:49 | < SchoolPhox> | So, I need to define a FixedVector + FixedVector |
| 23:49 | < SchoolPhox> | We'll assume they're the same size for now |
| 23:49 | < SchoolPhox> | If I make something like FixedVector::operator+, the vector that calls it is the leftmost Fixedvector, right? |
| 23:50 | < McMartin> | Yes. |
| 23:50 | < SchoolPhox> | So, like, a+b, it would be a's function called? |
| 23:50 | < SchoolPhox> | Okay |
| 23:50 | < McMartin> | However, one normally actually defines it as a standalone function with two arguments lhs, rhs. |
| 23:50 | < SchoolPhox> | Yeah. That makes more sense to me |
| 23:50 | < SchoolPhox> | But, I've got to work with his prototypes |
| 23:50 | < McMartin> | OK |
| 23:51 | < McMartin> | http://www.cplusplus.com/reference is very solid |
| 23:51 | < McMartin> | Note of course that std::vector doesn't define its own + |
| 23:53 | < SchoolPhox> | So, if I were to do it your way, there would be a global const FixedVector operator+ (FixedVector &lhs FixedVector &rhs) ? |
| 23:54 | < SchoolPhox> | And I could work from there, yeah? |
| 23:54 | < McMartin> | I don't think it'd be const |
| 23:54 | < McMartin> | And you'd probably end up having to make it be a friend of the class. |
| 23:54 | < SchoolPhox> | Hmm. Ah, yeah, that makes sense |
| 23:55 | < SchoolPhox> | Somewhat more sloppily, I could write a getValue(); |
| 23:55 | < SchoolPhox> | And call that inside the operator definition to get the values to add |
| 23:55 | < SchoolPhox> | ? |
| 23:55 | < gnolam> | Those should be const references. |
| 23:55 | < gnolam> | Oh wait |
| 23:55 | < gnolam> | Nevermind. |
| 23:56 | < gnolam> | Thought it was supposed to be a class method. |
| 23:56 | < SchoolPhox> | Yeah. The way it's required for the lab, it's a class method |
| 23:56 | < McMartin> | Mmmm |
| 23:56 | < SchoolPhox> | ...I think |
| 23:56 | < gnolam> | And I see no reason not to have it that way. |
| 23:56 | < SchoolPhox> | I'm actually really confused. This is a lot of material thrown at me all at once |
| 23:56 | < McMartin> | Stroustroup implies rather strongly that this is not how operator+ works. |
| 23:57 | < McMartin> | Yeah. |
| 23:57 | < McMartin> | Page 267 in my copy, section 11.3.1, "Member and Nonmember Operators" |
| 23:57 | < SchoolPhox> | What's it say is the better method? |
| 23:58 | < McMartin> | The friend based thing |
| 23:58 | < SchoolPhox> | Okay. |
| 23:58 | < McMartin> | But because this book is as well organized as a barrel of hyperactive cats... |
| 23:58 | < McMartin> | ... In 11.2.1, you can in fact apparently do... |
| 23:58 | < gnolam> | I say ignore Stroustroup on this one. I mean, what does he know of C++?~ |
| 23:59 | < McMartin> | FixedVector FixedVector::operator+(const FixedVector &rhs) const |
| 23:59 | < gnolam> | That is what I would do. |
| 23:59 | < SchoolPhox> | So, he's defining it within the method. |
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