code logs -> 2011 -> Wed, 26 Oct 2011< code.20111025.log - code.20111027.log >
--- Log opened Wed Oct 26 00:00:02 2011
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00:28
<@gnolam>
^-^
00:28 * McMartin encases gnolam in ice.
00:28
<@McMartin>
Rime, indeed
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08:21
<@McMartin>
Ahahahaha oh god
08:21
<@McMartin>
:science:
08:22 * McMartin solves his problems.
08:23
<@McMartin>
GetNativeSystemInfo() lies, cpuid is impenetrable, but there's a registry key that's guaranteed to not lie.
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09:34<~Vornicus> When you say "lies", what's it telling you
09:40
<@McMartin>
It's falsely reporting x64-capable chips as x86 when interrogated from a 32-bit OS.
09:41
<@McMartin>
However, there's an equivalent of /proc/cpuinfo, which will tell you that the chip is 64-bit capable.
09:43<~Vornicus> Can you even use the x64 stuff from a 32 bit OS?
09:49
<@McMartin>
Normally, no, but this is a weird corner case where it matters.
09:49
<@McMartin>
(VMware silliness.)
10:03<~Vornicus> Actually I can think of a not-that-weird corner case
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10:04<~Vornicus> If you're installing an OS while within another OS (a thing that I know linux does), you'll want to know whether it's 64bit
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10:39
<@McMartin>
Vornicus: That is indeed what this is for - to see whether or not it should be legal to fire up 64-bit guests.
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12:25
< gnolam_>
Aww. The professor's accent is /adorable/!
12:25
< AnnoDomini>
O RLY?
12:27
< gnolam_>
Yes. What he's talking about now is "vely vely important". :)
12:29
< AnnoDomini>
Hehe.
12:29
<@TheWatcher>
Chinese?
12:29
< gnolam_>
Yes.
12:32 * TheWatcher stabs the authors of SMF in the head
12:32
<@TheWatcher>
FFS, even phpBB manages not to arse up session handling
12:33
< AnnoDomini>
Usually.
12:33
< AnnoDomini>
IME, it's frequently made of "argh, why does it keep logging me out".
12:34
<@TheWatcher>
Well
12:36
<@TheWatcher>
It could be that you're connecting through a load-balanced proxy (explicitly or transparently), and the forum admin has set up the session validator to match the complete client address to the session address (that's one I've seen happen a fair number of times)
12:37
< AnnoDomini>
I currently have no problems, but Erik and Alien complained in the past, and I'm not sure if their difficulties were resolved.
12:38
<@TheWatcher>
In this case, I appear to be unable to get SMF to actually provide session cookies. At all.
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15:49 * Roscoe is not dead.
15:53<~Vornicus> Yes but what have you done to Der
15:53
<@jerith>
Stolen his identity, it would appear.
15:54
<@Roscoe>
Nah just his computer
15:54
<@Roscoe>
But it's ok, I'm baking him a bread
15:54
<@jerith>
Not brewing him a beer?
15:54
<@Roscoe>
Time frame's off.
15:54
<@Roscoe>
Also, Dera doesn't drink.
15:54
<@jerith>
Roscoe: Are you ever planning to be in Africa in your travels?
15:55
<@Roscoe>
Yes?
15:55
<@Roscoe>
Mostly northern Africa or joining the Peace Corps.
15:55
<@Roscoe>
Did uh did Bishop post any pictures of or relating to me?
15:56
<@jerith>
Not my part of Africa, then.
15:56
<@Roscoe>
You're in SA yeah?
15:56
<@Roscoe>
I'd like to come down there sometime.
15:57
<@jerith>
I can put you up for a couple of days if you do, probably.
15:57
<@jerith>
And introduce you to the local homebrew club.
15:57
<@Roscoe>
This is relevant to my interests.
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15:59
<@jerith>
I thought it might be. :-)
16:00
<@Roscoe>
Hang on
16:00
<@Roscoe>
Could do the Africa Run together.
16:00
<@Roscoe>
Take a motorized rickshaw from Jo-burg to Cairo.
16:00
<@jerith>
I'm going to be in Zanzibar next week and in India two weeks later, if either of those are on your itinerary.
16:00
<@Roscoe>
I'm in the States for the nonce.
16:00
<@jerith>
I don't do the whole "run" thing. :-)
16:00
<@Roscoe>
But Torie and I want to go to India during Chinese new year.
16:01<~Vornicus> Is that like going to the US during CInco de Mayo?
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16:01
<@Roscoe>
No, it's a bit like "FUCKING CHINA MUST GET AWAY HOORAY FIVE WEEK VACATION RUN RUN RUN NOW BEFORE THEY CHINA SHIT UP MORE!"
16:01
<@jerith>
I'll be quite busy in India. There for http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/India_Hackathon_2011
16:03<~Vornicus> So, going to Canada during the 4th of july.
16:03<~Vornicus> ...well except that canada day's like right there too.
16:03
<@Roscoe>
And Quebec Day
16:03
<@Roscoe>
Now if you'll excuse me, I gots ta bake a bread.
16:04
<@Roscoe>
Bitches love breads.
16:20<~Vornicus> (also, I find that odd. I've always taken der for a man who can savor a good pint, but I don't know where I got that impression.)
16:22
< gnolam>
Sebastian's handiwork leading us all to believe that Derakon had to be chugging bourbon in front of his monitor to preserve his sanity?
16:22
<@Roscoe>
Sebastian?
16:23
<@jerith>
The person whose code Der has been fixing.
16:23
<@Roscoe>
ah. That guy.
16:24
< gnolam>
Quite possibly one of Azathoth's apostles.
16:24
<@Roscoe>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijpT5gGcGZU MY GOD THE FLASHBACK
16:30 * Roscoe wishes he still had his copy of this game. :(
16:30
< kwsn>
what game? (I can't look atm)
16:31
<@Roscoe>
Journeyman Project 2: Buried In Time.
16:31 * Roscoe must have stolen that space station so many times...
16:32
<@Roscoe>
Wherein, after the first game, you have been framed for temporal tampering.
16:33
<@Roscoe>
So, ten-years-from-the-future-you comes and visits you and goes "YO, PUT THIS ON." And puts a cloaking time travel suit on you.
16:33
<@Roscoe>
Then gets arrested for breaking his house arrest.
16:33
<@Roscoe>
You, meanwhile, are sent ten years into the future, to his/your house at that time, wherein a recording (or several) explains the background information and your mission.
16:34
<@Roscoe>
You can visit a castle of King Richard, Da Vinci's workshop, a rustic space station around Saturn, and Chichen Itza, in addition to your future house.
16:35
<@Roscoe>
There's also a very fabulous AI sidekick who doubles as a help/hint system.
16:36 * Roscoe has fond memories of the space station and Da Vinci's shop.
16:40
<@Roscoe>
I dunno. What was the perfect video game when *you* were twelve?
16:41
<@jerith>
Civilization.
16:42
<@Roscoe>
The first one?
16:42
<@jerith>
Yes.
16:43
<@jerith>
Civ2 only happened when I was 16.
16:43
<@Roscoe>
ahhh
16:43
<@jerith>
Well, 15.
16:44 * Vornicus was 12 in 1993, when the game he was playing was... hm, what was he -- Exile, Escape From The Pit.
16:44
<@Roscoe>
...wait. My bad.
16:44
<@Roscoe>
1995.
16:44
<@Roscoe>
I would've been nine.
16:45
<@jerith>
Still Civilization, then. Although Dune 2 was a competitor.
16:45
<@Roscoe>
Dune 2 or Dune 2000?
16:46
<@Roscoe>
(I'm the Lady Jessica, your mother.)
16:46
<@jerith>
Dune 2000 is an abomination.
16:46
<@Roscoe>
...
16:46
<@Roscoe>
Dune 2000 is Alia?
16:46
<@Roscoe>
Also: It had John Rhys-Davies in it!
16:46
<@jerith>
Also, I was 18 by then.
16:47
<@jerith>
I really disliked the C&C engine.
16:51
< celticminstrel>
Ooh, Exile.
16:51
< celticminstrel>
...actually, that's the worst of the Exiles, but whatever.
16:52
< celticminstrel>
...you know, I might have actually been 12 when I discovered them, possibly. Or 13.
16:52
< celticminstrel>
I don't remember.
16:52
<@Roscoe>
In other news, Cracked.com writer Christina Hu is apparently a horrible, horrible person for combining the traits "has a vagina" with "writes for Cracked" and needs to go away now.
16:53
< celticminstrel>
???
16:53 * Roscoe is a-angered at dumbass Cracked commentors
16:54<~Vornicus> celmin: it is, but it's also the first, and it's still pretty awesome.
16:55<~Vornicus> Though the apparent lack of inter-zone triggers doesn't help!
16:55
< celticminstrel>
Pity I can't play it on my computer. :/
16:55
< celticminstrel>
Though I think it works in SheepShaver.
16:55
< celticminstrel>
As I recall, Exile 3 was the only one that didn't.
16:55
<@Roscoe>
'sheepshaver'?
16:56<~Vornicus> For some reason that's the name of the foremost classic mac emulator
16:56
< celticminstrel>
68k Mac emulator.
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16:56
< celticminstrel>
I wish it was a PPC one. <_<
16:56
<@Roscoe>
FALSE. This implies any Macs are classics.
16:56
<@jerith>
Steve Jobs is dead. This means *all* macs are classics.
16:57
<@Roscoe>
I wonder if he'll get canonized faster or slower than...
16:57 * Roscoe thumps the table, salutes, puts his hand over his heart
16:57
<@Roscoe>
ST. REAGAN!
16:57
<@Roscoe>
WHO DELIVERS US FROM COMMUNISM AND MAKES THE WORLD SAFE FOR DEMOCRACY.
16:57
<@Roscoe>
WHO SINGLEHANDEDLY SLEW THE DRAGON AND DELIVERED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OUT OF THE DARK AGE.
16:58 * Roscoe leads the traditional three cheers in honor of The Glorious Ronald, and sits down again
16:58
< celticminstrel>
Um what.
16:59
<@Roscoe>
Ronald Reagan. After he died, he became the perfect embodiment of all that America could and should wish to be, and the perfect antithesis of Communism.
16:59 * Vornicus , um, patpats Roscoe.
16:59
<@Roscoe>
There are certain religious rites required when invoking His holy name.
16:59
<@jerith>
celticminstrel: Welcome to Roscoe. :-)
17:00
<@Roscoe>
I remember being really into Steve Jobs and computer industry history when I was eleven or twelve.
17:00
<@Roscoe>
I found the only biography of the man that had been written to that date.
17:01
<@Roscoe>
It was a children's book with illustrations and had about two sentences per page.
17:02
<@jerith>
Roscoe: Consistent with Apple's interface model, then...
17:02
<@Roscoe>
As I left HK, I saw this doorstopper memoir/biography that cost over 300HKD.
17:02
<@Roscoe>
And I was all like "I thought steve Jobs was cool before it was cool"
17:02
<@Roscoe>
Then I realized I was a Jobs hipster.
17:03
<@Roscoe>
(still true, though. At the time, he was still exiled in the wilderness of NeXT and setting up Pixar with teh moniez. Nobody liked him.)
17:09
< kwsn>
lolhipsters
17:13
< kwsn>
Roscoe: my mom bought into the idea that the whole GUI we all know and love today was something Microsoft stole from Apple and that Apple had the idea first
17:14 * Roscoe has post-ironically established his non-hipsterness by admitting to being a hipster, since real hipsters would never claim to be hipsters. However, his desire to not be a hipster, combined with other evidence, confirms his hipsterness. ARE YOU CONFUSED YET?
17:14
< kwsn>
no
17:14
< kwsn>
all you're saying is that "i'm a massive douche" by that :)
17:14
<@Roscoe>
kwsn: They brought it to market first.
17:14
<@Roscoe>
:D
17:14
< celticminstrel>
I dunno if Apple had the idea first, but I think they're... never mind, what Roscoe said.
17:15
<@Roscoe>
Apple and Microsoft both stole it from Xerox PARC.
17:15
< kwsn>
Xerox had it first and I do believe they sold models with it first
17:15
< kwsn>
yup
17:15
<@Roscoe>
Along with, y'know, the Internet, email, LANs, mice, and most of the modern world.
17:15
< kwsn>
heh
17:15
< kwsn>
i know someone who switched to apple
17:15
< kwsn>
and regrets it
17:16
<@Roscoe>
Jobs got his product to market first because Microsoft essentially dismissed what they saw
17:16
<@Roscoe>
Until the Mac came to market, anyway
17:16
< celticminstrel>
Regrets it why?
17:18
< kwsn>
celticminstrel: cause she bought into the whole "easy to use" bit, found out it's harder than windows
17:18
< celticminstrel>
How is it harder than Windows?
17:18
<@Roscoe>
Ladies, gentlemen. If you keep going with this, I will have to start singing.
17:18
< celticminstrel>
<_<
17:18
<@Roscoe>
I mean, both Kirk and Picard are good, but in different ways.
17:19
< celticminstrel>
True.
17:19
< kwsn>
celticminstrel: that's what she's told me anyway
17:19
< celticminstrel>
Oh, so you don't know. Meh.
17:19 * kwsn shrugs
17:19
< kwsn>
i view apple as no better than windows or linux
17:19
<@Roscoe>
Windows or what? Sorry, I couldn't hear the last one over the scratching of neckbeards. :D
17:19
< celticminstrel>
I think it's at least a bit better than Windows, though I suspect Windows is catching up fast.
17:19
<@Roscoe>
(Mighty neckbeards)
17:20
< kwsn>
ugh facial hair
17:20
< kwsn>
Dx
17:20
<@Roscoe>
My gf likes my facial hair
17:20 * Roscoe is starting to like it, too. It defines his jawline, makes his face look more oval and his neck thinner.
17:20
< kwsn>
ugh
17:20 * kwsn hates it on her and on others >_>
17:21
< kwsn>
fricking hormone inbalance
17:24 * Roscoe watches the Journeyman Project 1 playthrough. Holy shit this game is five flavors of creepy.
17:25
<@Roscoe>
Awesome: Playing a video game with your best friend at 11 at night, and you both jump and nearly crap yourselves when the robot shambles out of the reactor core and casually threatens to kill you.
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17:50
<@Roscoe>
In other news, I liek beans
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18:00
<@Roscoe>
Der! Was just about to knead the dough.
18:00
< Derakon>
Heh.
18:00
< Derakon>
BTW there's a fire extinguisher in the garage, next to the water heater~
18:03
< Derakon>
...ah, and the reason you exist in #code is that you co-op'd my existing login. That works. :)
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18:06
<@Roscoe>
I may have. >.>
18:37
<@Roscoe>
ok. Bread's rising in the nuker.
18:37 * Derakon mutters at Python, wonders why subprocess.call isn't able to run this program when he can run it just fine from the commandline.
18:37
< Derakon>
Awesome.
18:37
< gnolam>
... because it's subprocess :P
18:37
< Derakon>
And?
18:37
<@Roscoe>
And I'm off to meet Ellie for teh lunch.
18:37
< Derakon>
Have fun.
18:38
< gnolam>
And I've had nothing but problems with that entire module.
18:38
< Derakon>
It's worked for me before.
18:38
< gnolam>
TADPOLE has to have two separate modules just to work around bugs and general misdesign in it.
18:40
<@jerith>
Derakon: How does it fail?
18:40
< Derakon>
"Exec format error"
18:41
<@jerith>
Sounds like it can't find /bin/sh or something.
18:41
< Derakon>
Shouldn't be needed for this, since the file in question is of the "command && other command" variety.
18:41
<@jerith>
Is it running in a chroot?
18:41
< Derakon>
"source /opt/bin/Priism_setup.sh && command enabled by that sourcing"
18:42
< Derakon>
No, it's not running in chroot.
18:42
<@jerith>
Hrm.
18:42
< Derakon>
...well.
18:42
< Derakon>
It might be, I guess.
18:42 * jerith is out of ideas, sorry.
18:42
< Derakon>
I don't actually know what the queue processing stuff runs under, but it's probably not as me.
18:43
<@jerith>
If it isn't a login account, it may have its shell disabled in /etc/passwd.
18:43
<@jerith>
Which, I'm guessing, is where subprocess looks for it.
18:46 * Derakon adds "shell = True" to the subprocess.call invocation, thereby fixing the problem.
18:46
< Derakon>
Thanks, Jerith.
18:48
<@jerith>
Glad to be of help, even if I was just guessing at possible causes. :-)
19:05
<@Roscoe>
Der: What time are you off work?
19:06
< Derakon>
I generally get back home around 4:30-5:00.
19:08
<@Roscoe>
ok...
19:08
<@Roscoe>
Ellie got called into work early, but she has forty minutes or so later. Could I inveigle you for a trip to the Daly City BART when you get back?
19:09
< Derakon>
...yeah, sure.
19:09
< Derakon>
But, uh, when were you planning to go to San Jose then?
19:10
<@Roscoe>
Let me call Nona and find out.
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19:49
<@Roscoe>
"Could it be possible to harden pottery under a man's skirt?"
19:49
<@jerith>
"Certainly, if you drape the skirt over a kiln."
19:52
<@Roscoe>
(the character was confused over whether it was a kiln or a kilt)
19:52
<@jerith>
With modern material science, it can be both!
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20:48
< Derakon>
Hey Ros, I picked up ten heads of garlic at the farmer's market.
20:48
<@Roscoe>
excellent
20:48
< Derakon>
I have no idea if this is a reasonable quantity or not. >.>
20:48
<@Roscoe>
Probably not.
20:49 * Alek shoots Roscoe with a nerf sniper rifle.
20:50
<@Roscoe>
NO! MY SUCKINESS!
21:41
<@jerith>
On SOAP:
21:41
<@jerith>
< pjdelport> less like a function call, and more like a hostage negotiation
21:43
< gnolam>
http://syhw.posterous.com/two-amusing-side-channel-attacks
21:46
< Derakon>
The analog hole as applied to cryptography. :)
21:49
<@jerith>
Nice.
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< Derakon>
There, I've finished hacking my poor program to bits to finagle support for this new workflow in.
22:12
<@jerith>
gnolam: http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/89
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22:24 * TheWatcher slaps that author up the side of the head with fucking Capital Letters
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Capslap.
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