| --- Log opened Fri Jul 08 00:00:20 2011 |
| 00:22 | < gnolam> | 2011-07-06 06:18: |
| 00:22 | < gnolam> | "Just FYI: the Neolith login node (neolith1 a.k.a *******.***.***.**) ran out |
| 00:22 | < gnolam> | of memory around 01:30 CEST today, and from that point until it was |
| 00:22 | < gnolam> | restarted at 06:10 CEST it was probably unusable for most users. |
| 00:22 | < gnolam> | ... |
| 00:22 | < gnolam> | The cause was a single user accidentally running a very large process." |
| 00:22 | < gnolam> | 2011-07-08 01:03: |
| 00:22 | < gnolam> | "Unfortunately, the same thing happened again today... |
| 00:22 | < gnolam> | The cause was the same user accidentally running another very large process." |
| 00:22 | < gnolam> | >_< |
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| 04:14 | < Janus> | oh wow. It's gotten to the point where I realize a question is dumb as soon as I enter. Usually I have to post it before that happens |
| 04:17 | < kwsn> | wht ws it anywaay? XD |
| 04:17 | | * kwsn eyes her a key |
| 04:21 | < Janus> | It was a math... I'm not even sure now! But basically it was for a 2d sprite lighting thing I'm trying. Was worried it required way too many calculations per pixel. But it's dumb to worry about that before it's even prototyped |
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| 04:30 | < Janus> | The way I have it planned, it calls for... (one squareroot and some other small stuff) * ((number of pixels) ^ light sources * onscreen objects) |
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| 05:19 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Janus: when you get into lighting your best bet is still probably opengl and some careful camera work as opposed to rolling your own. |
| 05:19 | < Janus> | What's a good language where I can just... write stuff in a console and then it does stuff? Like python, but without wrapping my knu-- VORN HELLO |
| 05:22 | < Vornicus-Latens> | JANUS HELLO |
| 05:22 | < Vornicus-Latens> | python is pretty good for this; ruby is a favorite of Chalain but it makes my teeth itch. |
| 05:23 | < Janus> | The white spacing rule always gets me. Then sits me in the corner until I learn my leason |
| 05:24 | < Vornicus-Latens> | I'm gonna point you at ruby and perl; I don't really like either but if the whitespace is screwing with you then you should try those instead. THough perl is in a lot of ways very baroque. |
| 05:26 | < Janus> | Is it bad I looked up 'baroque' before looking up perl? |
| 05:26 | < Janus> | I used ruby before, I guess I can try that. Beats learning how to format code properly! |
| 05:28 | < Janus> | Thanks! And the lighting thing, iunno. It has to be pixel perfect. Each sprite gets a seperate grayscale, that determines the texture and shape of the sprites. ... well, on the z plane anyway, which is the only plane you see in 2D |
| 05:29 | < Derakon> | Perl is what I use for commandline one-liners, for what it's worth. |
| 05:30 | | * kwsn likes python |
| 05:30 | < Derakon> | Though that has more to do with it having some very permissive rules for variable use if you want to. Implicit variables out the wazoo. |
| 05:30 | < Derakon> | For general programming I use Python these days. |
| 05:30 | | * kwsn uses C at her job, though she does know a little Tcl now |
| 05:31 | < Vornicus-Latens> | I think most of us in this channel run python first; lua and perl are also common. |
| 05:31 | < Janus> | It'd be so cool to have a programmy job for C. At least until I'm fired for breaking everything |
| 05:31 | < Vornicus-Latens> | --look into lua, by the way, it's small and has a very clean C api so if you need performance you can get it. |
| 05:31 | < Derakon> | Perl one-line example: ls *jpg | perl -ne 'chomp; /(.*).jpg/; `convert -resize 10% $_ $1-thumb.jpg`' |
| 05:32 | < Derakon> | Er, one-liner. |
| 05:32 | < Vornicus-Latens> | (that creates 10%-sized thumbnails of images) |
| 05:32 | < Derakon> | Yes. |
| 05:32 | | * kwsn makes Vornicus-Latens use... HASKELL |
| 05:33 | < Vornicus-Latens> | I've never tried haskell but I keep kind of intending to. |
| 05:33 | < Janus> | I made a mod for a game that uses lua. I can see why it's so popular now |
| 05:33 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Ruby is rare in here; Chalain as I said is a huge fan but he's the only one I know. |
| 05:34 | < kwsn> | i've used ruby in the past for school |
| 05:34 | < kwsn> | liked python better xD |
| 05:35 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Yeah, Ruby's huge failing for me was that I couldn't get it to pull basic operations that were simple using f'rinstance __rmul__ |
| 05:36 | < Vornicus-Latens> | (specifically, I was trying to implement number * vector, but in order to do that the only method I found was to implement that /for every existing numeric type/ |
| 05:37 | < Derakon> | Ow. |
| 05:38 | < Vornicus-Latens> | (which for all that the ruby folks like to talk about how DRY is built in, um...) |
| 05:39 | < Namegduf> | DRY is one of those things easily taken to extremes. |
| 05:40 | < Namegduf> | There's a point at which implementing complex magic so a few particular bits of information aren't repeated makes you crazy. |
| 05:44 | < Vornicus-Latens> | I've been poking at a dry-shaped problem on and off for a while and I can't find a nice way to handle it. |
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| 05:46 | | * kw\t-2 waves |
| 05:46 | < Vornicus-Latens> | nikwsn |
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| --- Log closed Fri Jul 08 11:08:13 2011 |
| --- Log opened Fri Jul 08 11:08:50 2011 |
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| 12:19 | <@froztbyte> | http://a1k0n.net/2011/06/26/obfuscated-c-yahoo-logo.html |
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| 13:09 | | * gnolam eyes geologists. |
| 13:09 | < gnolam> | I have a feeling they just make up words, thinking that nobody will ever call their bluff. |
| 13:09 | < gnolam> | Ferruginous laterite soil, really? |
| 13:10 | < TheWatcher> | I tend to have the same feeling about chemists and astrophysicists~ |
| 13:36 | < gnolam> | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/08/street-cleanin-man-street-cleaning-si mulator/ |
| 13:37 | < TheWatcher> | I... what |
| 13:37 | < TheWatcher> | Why would anyone write that thing?! |
| 13:38 | < TheWatcher> | More to the point, how did they even manage to get funding for something like that?! |
| 13:38 | < gnolam> | And the graphics actually appear to be pretty decent. :) |
| 13:39 | < TheWatcher> | yeah |
| 13:39 | < TheWatcher> | I have no words |
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| 22:22 | | * Derakon finally gets around to renaming the incredibly imaginatively-labeled file a.py. |
| 22:23 | < Derakon> | (To camera.py) |
| 22:26 | < celticminstrel> | XD |
| 22:27 | < celticminstrel> | I can't imagine why someone would ever use a single-letter filename. |
| 22:27 | < Derakon> | Oh ho ho ho ho ho. |
| 22:27 | < celticminstrel> | Well, single-letter excluding the extension. |
| 22:28 | < Derakon> | cd ../../ancient_omx/omx/omx_cockpit; ls | grep -E "seb..py" | wc -l |
| 22:28 | < Derakon> | 6 |
| 22:28 | < Derakon> | And that's not counting things like seb.py, sebCI.py, sebCCC.py, sebC_mem.py, sebC_spec.py... |
| 22:29 | < celticminstrel> | I'm afraid I'm not sure what that means. <_< |
| 22:29 | < celticminstrel> | Clearly this guy has negative imagination. :P |
| 22:29 | < Derakon> | "Go to a copy of the program that I made when I first showed up here. List all files whose names begin with "seb" then have two arbitrary characters, then the py ending. Count those." |
| 22:29 | < Derakon> | The listing was sebC.py, sebD.py, sebF.py, sebG.py, sebH.py, sebM.py |
| 22:30 | < Derakon> | And when they're used, it's as "import sebC as C" and then e.g. "C.pic". |
| 22:30 | < celticminstrel> | Oh fun. |
| 22:30 | < Derakon> | In the nearly two years I've been here, I've gotten that down to just four modules whose names begin with "seb", and one of them doesn't have any code in it. |
| 22:31 | < celticminstrel> | Doesn't that mean you don't need it? |
| 22:31 | < Derakon> | (Literally. It's just a repository that other modules stick their variables into, and I've cut down on %Bthat%B to only less than 20 or so) |
| 22:31 | < TheWatcher> | Dera: two years already? sheeesh. |
| 22:31 | < Derakon> | Yeah. |
| 22:32 | < celticminstrel> | Wait, so is the file actually empty or does it contain only variables? |
| 22:32 | < TheWatcher> | Also, celticminstrel, you have apparently avoided Dera regailing us with some of the utter violations of sanity and reason that are Sebastian Haas' "creations" |
| 22:32 | < Derakon> | It also contains a bunch of general-purpose documentation for the codebase. |
| 22:32 | < celticminstrel> | TheWatcher: I've seen some of them. |
| 22:32 | < Derakon> | (That I wrote) |
| 22:32 | < Derakon> | (Sebastian does not document) |
| 22:32 | < celticminstrel> | I can still be amazed though. |
| 22:33 | < Derakon> | cat seb.py | grep -vE "^\s*#|^\s*$" |
| 22:33 | < Derakon> | |
| 22:33 | < Derakon> | |
| 22:33 | < Derakon> | |
| 22:33 | < Derakon> | |
| 22:33 | < Derakon> | That's it. |
| 22:34 | < Derakon> | (In other words, list all non-comment non-whitespace lines in seb.py. For some reason that prints four blank lines; I guess they have nothing on them and thus avoid one of the patterns?) |
| 22:34 | < Derakon> | Other modules import the seb module (as "X") and then stuff things into its namespace. |
| 22:34 | < celticminstrel> | ... |
| 22:34 | < celticminstrel> | What is the point of that? |
| 22:35 | < Derakon> | It's serving as a global namespace. |
| 22:35 | < Derakon> | Since Python doesn't have that concept. |
| 22:35 | < celticminstrel> | Wouldn't that be pretty much the same as doing something like 'X = object()' and stuffing the things there? |
| 22:35 | < celticminstrel> | Or does its being a module make it a singleton through the whole program or something? |
| 22:36 | < Derakon> | So e.g. if two modules want to use the same variable, then one of them creates it and stuffs it into X, and the other one accesses it normally. |
| 22:36 | < Derakon> | Yeah, modules are singletons. |
| 22:36 | < celticminstrel> | So, there is a point to it, just not a very good one. <_< |
| 22:36 | < Derakon> | It's lousy style, yeah. |
| 22:37 | < Derakon> | find . -name "*py" | xargs cat | perl -ne 'chomp; if (/X\.(\w*)/ or /seb\.(\w*)/) {print "$1\n"}' | sort -u | wc -l |
| 22:37 | < Derakon> | 43 |
| 22:37 | < celticminstrel> | I never got how find works. |
| 22:37 | < Derakon> | So there's currently 43 variables stuffed into the seb module. |
| 22:37 | < celticminstrel> | Though I can see that means look for files in the current directory ending in py. |
| 22:37 | < Derakon> | Well, unless one's only created behind another one; that particular one-liner only finds the first match. |
| 22:38 | < Derakon> | That is "Look for all files starting from this directory that end in py. Cat their contents. Run this perl script on that." |
| 22:38 | < Derakon> | The perl script says "Find all words that are preceded by "X." or "seb." and print them." |
| 22:38 | < Derakon> | And then I uniquify the result and count the number of hits. |
| 22:38 | < celticminstrel> | Perl is an arcane tongue. :/ |
| 22:38 | < Derakon> | Well, one-liners aren't the best introduction to the language. |
| 22:39 | < Derakon> | Mixing regexes certainly doesn't help. |
| 22:39 | < celticminstrel> | I know regexes already. |
| 22:39 | < celticminstrel> | They're also an arcane tongue, but they're one that I more-or-less understand. :P |
| 22:40 | < TheWatcher> | Perl is pretty easy, provided that you don't try being a smartarse |
| 22:41 | < TheWatcher> | (or it will give you enough rope to tie you up, suspend you over a bottomless pit, and then hang you) |
| 22:42 | < Derakon> | I keep my smartarsitude to a very carefully controlled segment of the language. |
| 22:42 | < Derakon> | Specifically, abuse of implicit variables in one-liners. |
| 22:44 | < Derakon> | (Generally, find . -name "prefix*suffix" is a good invocation to know) |
| 22:44 | < Derakon> | (It's practically all I ever do with find and I still get tons of use out of it) |
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