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| 01:14 | | * McMartin attempts to throw together a C# program with only a vague idea of what he is doing. |
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| 01:40 | < Tarinaky> | I hear C# is good for that. |
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| 02:41 | < McMartin> | It helps that they bothered actually directly exposing the bits I cared about |
| 02:41 | < McMartin> | Also, foreach \o/ |
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| 07:04 | < Alek> | <X> Wife went to the opera. Came back all aglow. "Finally I understand operatic voice classification! Men, from high to low: tenor, baritone, bass. Women: soprano, mezzo-soprano, contralto." "Del?" ".... Idiot." |
| 07:06 | < celticminstrel> | Uh, where's alto. |
| 07:06 | < celticminstrel> | And countertenor. |
| 07:11 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 07:25 | < Alek> | they're nonstandard. |
| 07:36 | < celticminstrel> | Alto is hardly nonstandard. |
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| 07:45 | < McMartin> | Alto and countertenor are parts you write for, not voice types. |
| 07:46 | < McMartin> | (In particular, many baritones end up actually singing tenor parts) |
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| 08:34 | < Thalass> | lo |
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| 08:37 | < Thalass> | Hey i've got a bit of a stupid question regarding win7. |
| 08:38 | < McMartin> | Shoot |
| 08:40 | < Thalass> | We just bought a new laptop and the first boot goes through the setup. First question it asks is 32 or 64 bit. This machine has no separate graphics card, and isn't going to be used for high end stuff. So is 64 bit worth the hassle? |
| 08:40 | < McMartin> | How much RAM do you have? |
| 08:40 | < Thalass> | 2gb |
| 08:40 | < Thalass> | (for now) |
| 08:40 | < McMartin> | If you plan to ever expand, go 64 now |
| 08:41 | < McMartin> | 64 also has better security |
| 08:41 | < McMartin> | This can also mean "worse compatibility", but if you aren't doing weird stuff with it that should be OK. |
| 08:41 | < McMartin> | (Win64 drivers all have to be signed) |
| 08:41 | < Thalass> | Ah. |
| 08:41 | < McMartin> | But no Win32 process can ever use more than 2GB, and even within that they're more prone to memory fragmentation |
| 08:42 | < McMartin> | This is unlikely to be a huge issue for you but it's still "64 is better" |
| 08:42 | < McMartin> | 64 is also what they intend on actually supporting~ |
| 08:42 | < Thalass> | 64bit sounds the way to go then. |
| 08:43 | < Thalass> | The next question i want to ask is what antivirus and firewall programs are recommended? I don't have either on this netbook (yay ubuntu) |
| 08:43 | < McMartin> | Microsoft has its own AV program now, and it's actually quite highly regarded. It's the best free one. |
| 08:44 | < McMartin> | http://microsoft.com/SecurityEssentials |
| 08:45 | < Thalass> | groovy. Hopefully it'll be pre-installed. It takes what, 30 seconds to infect an unprotected windows machine? |
| 08:45 | < McMartin> | If you're behind a router that'll buy you quite a bit more time. |
| 08:45 | < Thalass> | heh |
| 08:45 | < McMartin> | I have also found MalwareBytes to be a useful tool, but using it repeatedly, IIRC, costs money. |
| 08:45 | < Thalass> | ah |
| 08:48 | < Thalass> | Its been ages since i've used windows outside work (which is xp and we don't do it duties on them). Even Mel's old netbook has been running ubuntu for a while now |
| 08:49 | | * McMartin nods |
| 08:49 | < McMartin> | Win7 is, imo, the best OS MS has made to date, fwiw |
| 08:50 | < McMartin> | Oh, right |
| 08:50 | < McMartin> | IIRC, MSSE is not pre-installed, but Windows Defender is. That's not much more than a firewall, though. |
| 08:51 | < Thalass> | cool. I've copied the installer to sd card, and will install it with defender in paranoid mode, then |
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| 08:52 | < Thalass> | Should save some time at least :p |
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| 09:09 | < Thalass> | Thanks, btw haha |
| 09:17 | < McMartin> | no worries |
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| 12:14 | < jhvvjhkfk> | hi |
| 12:14 | < jhvvjhkfk> | anyone thereeeeee |
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| 13:41 | | * TheWatcher sets about modifying his module that commits arcane horrors with the aid of perl's GD module so that it uses a reverse-temporal feedback loop to find out how big the image will be before it has generated it |
| 13:52 | <@Namegduf> | There's a CPAN module for everything, I guess. |
| 13:52 | < TheWatcher> | Oh, no, I'm having to write this myself |
| 13:52 | < TheWatcher> | I'll release it on CPAN later~ |
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| 14:23 | | * gnolam_arvalis blarghs at the lack of a wx.FloatCtrl. |
| 14:26 | < AnnoDomini> | That sounds like the name of an Aztec deity. |
| 14:31 | | * TheWatcher huhs, discovers that he can get a copy of VS 2008 Pro through work |
| 14:42 | < gnolam_arvalis> | AnnoDomini: heh. I might have to make mine a wx.QuatzalCtrl now. |
| 14:43 | < gnolam_arvalis> | *wx.QuetzalCtrl |
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| 14:45 | < AnnoDomini> | :D |
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| 15:45 | < gnolam> | http://www.lysator.liu.se/~gnolam/temp/phantgeom.png <- Progress! |
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| 16:58 | < gnolam> | Darnit |
| 16:59 | < gnolam> | Inventing backronyms is harder than you think. |
| 17:01 | < gnolam> | I really want to name this program either RIBBIT or GRENOUILLE. |
| 17:02 | < kwsn> | involving frogs? |
| 17:03 | < gnolam> | Yes. |
| 17:04 | < gnolam> | Involving frogs, radiation dose estimation, and monte carlo simulation. |
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| 18:04 | | * Derakon sighs at this variable naming convention. |
| 18:05 | < Derakon> | Every member field for each class is named "__xx", where "xx" is either the initials or the first two letters of the object being represented. |
| 18:05 | < Derakon> | E.g. __ti for a timer, __vs for a vertical sizer, etc. |
| 18:05 | < celticminstrel> | The __ means private though, right? |
| 18:06 | < Derakon> | Yes, though IMO it's bad practice to diddle a class's fields remotely regardless. |
| 18:06 | < Derakon> | (Which isn't to say I don't do it sometimes, just that it's usually poor style) |
| 18:07 | | * Derakon wields his Hammer of Search&Replace indescriminately. |
| 18:09 | < Derakon> | There's other issues with this code, too...the author basically does everything in Maximum Verbosity mode (except for variable naming and comments, of course). |
| 18:12 | <@Namegduf> | You never go full verbosity. |
| 18:13 | < celticminstrel> | What do you mean? |
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| 18:14 | < Derakon> | CM: pointless use of an Observer design pattern, for example. |
| 18:14 | < Derakon> | Using "self.SetSizer(sizer); sizer.Fit(self)" instead of "self.SetSizerAndFit(sizer)" as another. |
| 18:15 | < Derakon> | Though that one's pretty minor. |
| 18:17 | < celticminstrel> | I can never remember what all these design patterns are... |
| 18:18 | < Derakon> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_pattern |
| 18:18 | < Derakon> | Wikipedia's generally pretty good for design patterns. |
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| 20:20 | < ToxicFrog> | HTTP POST: conquered |
| 20:44 | < jerith> | foo.__bar gets mangled in Python. About the only thing I ever use it for is adding my own attributes to other people's objects. |
| 20:45 | < jerith> | By convention, foo._bar means "this is private implementation detail, and you meddle with it at your own peril". |
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| 22:21 | < gnolam> | Argh |
| 22:21 | < gnolam> | Naming question. |
| 22:21 | < jerith> | Bob. |
| 22:22 | < jerith> | Or Fred. |
| 22:22 | < gnolam> | The simulated volume is a cylinder. The bottom part of it is soil, the top part is either air or water. |
| 22:22 | < gnolam> | (Also, there is a frog somewhere) |
| 22:23 | < gnolam> | But I can't think of a good name for the top part. Basically, there'll be a radiobox with "$NAME material: [ ] Air [ ] Water ([ ] Custom)". |
| 22:24 | < gnolam> | The bottom is simply "soil". |
| 22:26 | < jerith> | Surroundings? |
| 22:27 | < jerith> | I'm tempted by "atmosphere", but only certain kinds of sci-fi nuts include liquids in that. |
| 22:27 | < ToxicFrog> | "lower" and "upper"? |
| 22:30 | < gnolam> | Hmm |
| 22:30 | < ToxicFrog> | Ie: |
| 22:31 | < ToxicFrog> | Lower material: Soil |
| 22:31 | < ToxicFrog> | Upper material: [ ] Air [ ] Water [ ] Custom |
| 22:31 | < ToxicFrog> | [X] Frog enabled |
| 22:33 | < jerith> | I approve of anything with a "frog enabled" option on general principles. |
| 22:35 | < McMartin> | :getout: |
| 22:36 | < McMartin> | or perhaps :frogsiren: |
| 22:36 | < McMartin> | (The SA forums have a wide variety of frog-related emoticons) |
| 22:38 | < celticminstrel> | What even is this. |
| 22:38 | < jerith> | celticminstrel: It has a "frog enabled" option. Nothing else matters. |
| 22:39 | < McMartin> | It sounds like it's simulating a chunk of either a terrarium or an aquarium, depending |
| 22:40 | < McMartin> | Also, band-name alert: Frog Enabled |
| 22:43 | < jerith> | Tadpole Toggled. |
| 22:48 | < celticminstrel> | Maybe so, Jerith, but that answer totally fails to satisfy my curiosity. |
| 22:50 | < ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: a radiation dose estimation simulator for buried frogs, IIRC. |
| 22:54 | < jerith> | Why use the French as experimental subjects? |
| 22:55 | < gnolam> | ToxicFrog: pretty much. |
| 22:55 | < gnolam> | The common moor frog hibernates for half a year. |
| 22:56 | < gnolam> | During which time it's buried in soil or sediment. |
| 22:56 | < jerith> | Do you get to shoot it with gamma rays? |
| 22:57 | < gnolam> | Only virtual ones, here. |
| 22:57 | < jerith> | Does it get a nice little amphibious headstone if you overdo it? |
| 22:58 | < gnolam> | But real frogs have been irradiated with real gamma rays before this in this project, to establish their sensitivity to radiation. |
| 23:03 | < gnolam> | None of them developed superpowers. |
| 23:12 | < jerith> | Everyone knows you get them from mutant spider bites. |
| 23:13 | < McMartin> | This application requires a vent core |
| 23:13 | < McMartin> | So that you can frog blast it |
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| 23:20 | < gnolam> | ? |
| 23:21 | < jerith> | gnolam: STFW for "frog blast the vent core". |
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