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| 03:31 | < Rikushadow5> | celticminstrel: To answer your question from earlier, yes, it is indeed from "Shortpacked!" |
| 03:31 | < Rikushadow5> | One of the players on a different server requested that I program Amazi-Girl in as an Assist Character |
| 03:32 | < Rikushadow5> | Erm. |
| 03:32 | < Rikushadow5> | That seems like a horrible explanation, in hindsight. |
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| 06:39 | < Neophox> | So, let's suppose I have a function I want to pass a string to. Normally, I'd type foo(bar, bar_length), where bar is a character array. Now, what if I want to avoid defining a variable, and opt for foo("bar_message", bar_length). Do I need to cast "bar_message" as a char*? |
| 06:40 | < Neophox> | See, I figured that'd be unnecessary, as any string should already be a character array, no? |
| 06:41 | < Vornicus> | It should work. |
| 06:41 | < Neophox> | Should work without the cast? |
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| 06:54 | < Tarinaky> | Neophox: No. |
| 06:54 | < Tarinaky> | Err Yes. |
| 06:54 | < Tarinaky> | It should work without a cast. |
| 06:54 | < Neophox> | Yeah, that's what I thought, as well. Actually, looking at some of the rest of my code, I've used it like that before |
| 06:54 | < Tarinaky> | Any constant string (ie "foo") is of type const char* |
| 06:55 | < Tarinaky> | It's only when you use it to initialise other data types that it becomes anything else. |
| 06:55 | < Neophox> | For some reason, using it in this part of the code passes the value 0x19, rather than the value. |
| 06:55 | < Tarinaky> | That'll be because it's a pointer. |
| 06:56 | < Tarinaky> | Hence the '*' part of char* |
| 06:56 | < Neophox> | Mmkay. But, when I index it, that 0x19 is what I get. |
| 06:57 | < Neophox> | As in, within the called function, bar[1] is 0x19, rather than the proper value. |
| 06:57 | < Neophox> | And that's for all elements |
| 06:57 | < Tarinaky> | Hunh. |
| 06:57 | < Neophox> | Hmm. Even weirder. Testing it again returns 0xd, this time |
| 06:58 | < Tarinaky> | Something's not getting initialised. |
| 06:58 | < Neophox> | Wonder if I mis-remembered, or if it's the micro acting funky again |
| 06:58 | < Tarinaky> | That'd be my guess. |
| 06:58 | < Neophox> | I'll take a look at that, then |
| 07:02 | < Neophox> | Yup. Odd. It gives me a line feed, then a carriage return, then a bunch of nulls. |
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| 07:58 | < Rikushadow5> | HRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNG |
| 07:58 | < Rikushadow5> | "Hey, Riku, can you whip me up a boss to fight? I wanna kill Lightning from FF-XIII." |
| 07:58 | < Rikushadow5> | Me: "SURE THAT SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG AT ALL DERPY DERPDERP" |
| 07:58 | | * Rikushadow5 headdesks repeatedly |
| 07:59 | < Rikushadow5> | Nobody ever tells you that coding takes a long-ass time. |
| 07:59 | < Vornicus> | That was a bad idea. |
| 07:59 | < Vornicus> | YOu're a programmer. You should /know/ this. |
| 07:59 | < Rikushadow5> | I /do/ know this. |
| 07:59 | < Rikushadow5> | I just perodically whine about it anyway. |
| 08:00 | < Rikushadow5> | I underestimated her moveset, and it turns out to be quite extensive. |
| 08:00 | < Rikushadow5> | I've been spending the last 8 hours working on a SINGLE ENEMY. |
| 08:00 | < Rikushadow5> | And this is what I get for half-assing the code up until now. |
| 08:01 | < Alek> | making a fighting game with RPG characters? |
| 08:02 | < Rikushadow5> | Alek: MADE a Fighting Game with RPG characters |
| 08:02 | < Rikushadow5> | It's an IRC-Based Realtime Action Fighter/RPG game |
| 08:02 | < Rikushadow5> | In other words, a mouthful. |
| 08:02 | < Vornicus> | Frankly if you want to make a fighting/whatever game you're going to want to start simple. |
| 08:03 | < Rikushadow5> | I did start simple, 4 years ago. |
| 08:03 | < Vornicus> | as far as bosses go, anyway. Try making the thingy, um. That scorpion at hte beginning of FF7. |
| 08:03 | < Rikushadow5> | ... |
| 08:03 | < Rikushadow5> | You wound me. |
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| 08:03 | < Alek> | nifty. |
| 08:04 | < Rikushadow5> | I've been doing it for 4 years now, I think I know how to program it. I'm just being whiny about it, because it's 3 AM and I've been working on a single enemy for about 2 days straight now. |
| 08:04 | < Rikushadow5> | usually I go much faster than this. |
| 08:05 | < Vornicus> | Ah, so this is not a new project. |
| 08:05 | < Rikushadow5> | Far from it. |
| 08:05 | < Vornicus> | This is "jesus christ where did giant move list come from it's like five times longer than usual" |
| 08:06 | < Rikushadow5> | Pretty much. |
| 08:06 | < Rikushadow5> | I surprised myself with how well it turned out, though. |
| 08:06 | < Alek> | so uh. |
| 08:06 | < Alek> | how does it work? |
| 08:08 | < Rikushadow5> | Then again, Players fighting Inuyasha, and calling in Django to use his Pile Driver against a poorly-made (by request) Edward Cullen while on a platform falling through the sky is pretty impressive. |
| 08:08 | < Rikushadow5> | If I do say so meself. |
| 08:08 | < Vornicus> | Can we futz with this thing somewhere? |
| 08:08 | < Rikushadow5> | Uhm. Y'know all of those things, like Plot, and such that RPGs usually have? |
| 08:08 | < Vornicus> | This doesn't have that? |
| 08:08 | < Rikushadow5> | I threw them out in favor of bloodshed, violence, and Internet memes. |
| 08:09 | < Rikushadow5> | It started with just a bunch of Kingdom hearts and Final Fantasy crap. |
| 08:09 | < Rikushadow5> | But it's extended into a number of other media. |
| 08:09 | < Rikushadow5> | I think one dude has a Lightsaber as a weapon. |
| 08:10 | < Rikushadow5> | Uhm, it'd probably be a little bit easier if I pulled up the site for the game. |
| 08:10 | < Rikushadow5> | http://www.freewebs.com/darksundome/ |
| 08:10 | < Rikushadow5> | There ya go. |
| 08:10 | < Rikushadow5> | I had a housefire back in Febuary, so I've had to start programming from scratch. |
| 08:11 | < Rikushadow5> | FORTUNATELY I was in the middle of a system overhaul, and I hadn't made much progress, so everything was being scrapped anyway. |
| 08:11 | < Rikushadow5> | But I've been making some steady progress over the past few weeks. |
| 08:13 | < Rikushadow5> | Unfortunately, my ADD keeps me from focusing on any one thing long enough to finish it. On the flip side, however, I usually just get distracted by some other aspect of the game, so I end up working on something else I'd end up doing partway down the line, anyway, so it works out. |
| 08:15 | < Rikushadow5> | It's basically me fiddling around with various RPG/Action Game mechanics |
| 08:15 | < Rikushadow5> | seeing what the players like the most. |
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| 08:25 | < Alek> | uh. is it graphical or text? |
| 08:25 | < Rikushadow5> | Text |
| 08:26 | < Rikushadow5> | Some things are handled automatically by the system |
| 08:26 | < Rikushadow5> | Such as most movement. |
| 08:27 | < Rikushadow5> | AKA: The system doesn't differentiate much between 2 and 20 feet. It assumes you're gonna close in on your target if you need to. |
| 08:39 | | * Rikushadow5 is away: Break time. |
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| 08:53 | < Rikushadow5> | lol, "%LightningSpeed" |
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| 09:42 | < Rikushadow5> | Whoo. Finally done. |
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| 10:13 | | * Vornicus fixes some silly link bugs in his multiplication drill thingy. |
| 10:13 | | * Vornicus now needs to figure out what the hell is going wrong on IE. |
| 10:17 | < TheWatcher> | Well, the answer there is simple: IE~ |
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| 10:19 | < Vornicus> | apparently. |
| 10:20 | < Vornicus> | I can't tell what it's doing wrong, it appears to be complaining about my use of setTimeout, but the actual /use/ of setTimeout is succeeding. |
| 10:22 | < TheWatcher> | I'd offer to assist, but I'm afraid I only have IE 6 |
| 10:24 | < Vornicus> | meh. sleep. |
| 10:26 | < Vornicus> | (on the other hand Opera's bug is more tractible: something is wrong with the way that it tries to fill the timer bar, so the timer doesn't actually progress so much as "fill up immediately" -- but the actual timer goes normally) |
| 10:27 | < TheWatcher> | Linkable? I'll have a look at that, if you want |
| 10:28 | < Vornicus> | I should do that. |
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| 10:30 | | * TheWatcher pokes at the midpoint circle algorithm, grrs vaguely |
| 10:32 | < Vornicus-Latens> | http://www.funkyhorror.net/vornicus/drill/multiplication_drill.html |
| 10:34 | < TheWatcher> | The timer is the black bar, correct? |
| 10:34 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Yeah. Should fill up gradually. |
| 10:34 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Currently the step time is set to 1 second so I can actually watch IE grumble, as opposed to the intended 20ms because that actually crashes the dev tools with the arror it's getting. |
| 10:35 | < TheWatcher> | Well, I'm fairly sure I know what the problem is in Opera *tinkers a little* |
| 10:36 | < Vornicus-Latens> | (the appropriate function is step_timer for the timer bar update) |
| 10:37 | < TheWatcher> | yeah, the problem isn't the logic you're using - you're ajusting the width correctly, it's that opera doesn't like what you're doing with the table cell |
| 10:38 | < TheWatcher> | Actually, I'm having a massive sense of deja-vu here, as I think we ran into this problem before... |
| 10:39 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Might have, but I copied this function pretty much straight from my original |
| 10:39 | < TheWatcher> | here we go |
| 10:40 | < TheWatcher> | http://fleet.starforge.co.uk/Multiplication%20Drill!.htm - that's the version I fixed under opera a while back, note how I replace the table you use for the timer bar with divs |
| 10:40 | < TheWatcher> | <div class="unsolved" style="width: 100%; border-collapse: collapse; height: 5px"><div class="clock" style="height: 5px; width: 0" id="newtimer"> </div></div> |
| 10:41 | < TheWatcher> | you should be able to just replace "newtimer" with "timer" in that, and drop the code in, and it should work |
| 10:41 | < Vornicus-Latens> | aha, thank you |
| 10:41 | < Vornicus-Latens> | I'll do that tomorrow. Now I sleep. |
| 10:42 | < TheWatcher> | Slepwell! |
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| 22:22 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Okay. Opera side fixed, now to figure out what the fuck is going on with IE. |
| 22:22 | < jerith> | Ask Pi. |
| 22:23 | < Rikushadow5> | It's IE. |
| 22:23 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Heh. |
| 22:23 | < Rikushadow5> | That's probably what the fuck's going on with it. |
| 22:27 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Nonetheless I do need to support IE. |
| 22:32 | < Vornicus-Latens> | timer = setTimeout("step_timer()", TIME_STEP); <--- it's complaining about this in the errors, but that operation still succeeds. |
| 22:33 | < Rikushadow5> | Then something's wrong with whatever reads it to check for errors. |
| 22:33 | < Rikushadow5> | ...right? |
| 22:33 | < Vornicus-Latens> | har. |
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| 22:35 | < Rikushadow5> | I mean, it may just be a Microsoft trait. |
| 22:36 | | * Vornicus bites Rikushadow5's arm off |
| 22:36 | < Rikushadow5> | I've had Visual Studio tell me about 200 times that what I'm doing is wrong, but I check it and it works fine on something else. |
| 22:36 | < Rikushadow5> | Why would you disarm me, my good sir? |
| 22:37 | < Rikushadow5> | I have done nothing to cause offense, have I? |
| 22:37 | < Vornicus> | I'm tired of hearing "don't use IE" as a response to "This doesn't work on IE and I need to support it" |
| 22:37 | < Rikushadow5> | Ah. |
| 22:37 | | * EvilDarkLord bites IE's marketshare off. |
| 22:38 | < Rikushadow5> | Well, I AM trying to help. I just don't have any real knowledge to help you with, so I'm thinking of what I DO know that might help. |
| 22:39 | < EvilDarkLord> | Vornicus: So what does the problem manifest as exactly if the operation works? |
| 22:40 | < Vornicus> | It shows up in the errors list, and puts an "error on page" bar at the bottom. |
| 22:40 | < Tarinaky> | Rikushadow5: I too lack any knowledge to help besides saying "Don't use IE" - but I keep my mouth shut. |
| 22:40 | < Vornicus> | In addition to this, there are several things that it actually fails to do. |
| 22:41 | < Rikushadow5> | Tarinaky: I thought that knowing that Visual Studio, another Microsoft product, randomly tells me something's wrong when it isn't, might be of at least SOME assitance. |
| 22:41 | < Rikushadow5> | But in the future, I will keep my mouth shut on such matter, I guess. |
| 22:42 | < Tarinaky> | Rikushadow5: "It's IE // That's probably what the fuck is wrong with it" << Point to the words 'Visual Studio' in that. |
| 22:42 | < Vornicus> | http://www.funkyhorror.net/vornicus/drill/multiplication_drill.html <--- on other browsers, if you hit enter, the "press enter to begin" changes to a multiplication problem, the timer bar begins to fill, and the event attached to the text box changes to the thing it uses for checking answers. |
| 22:42 | < Tarinaky> | Anyway, I'll stop being a dick now. |
| 22:42 | < Rikushadow5> | That was a joke. Actual attempts at assistance followed. |
| 22:43 | < Vornicus> | On the other hand, the timer actually runs correctly. |
| 22:43 | < Vornicus> | (it's just that it doesn't show up, and you can't do anything) |
| 22:44 | < Vornicus> | (well, that, and every time the timed function gets called it puts up another error.) |
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| 22:47 | < Vornicus> | (which is bad when I actually have the timer moving at the speed I want, which is 50/sec instead of 1/sec) |
| 22:48 | < EvilDarkLord> | Dunno if this is bug or feature, but I notice that pressing enter makes it think I entered 0. |
| 22:48 | < EvilDarkLord> | Or rather, entering blank. |
| 22:48 | < Vornicus> | semi-feature. Too much trouble at the moment to fix. |
| 22:49 | | * EvilDarkLord does it in about 75 s. |
| 22:55 | < Vornicus> | Heh. |
| 22:55 | < Vornicus> | Works every time. |
| 22:56 | < Vornicus> | I start passing it around to figure out what's wrong with it and people start showing off. :P |
| 22:56 | < EvilDarkLord> | Could it be that step_timer is declared after start_timer, but start_timer calls step_timer? |
| 22:57 | < Vornicus> | No. It would be in C though. |
| 22:58 | < Vornicus> | (if that were a problem there are other things that would fail too - in particular, the instructions wouldn't get written.) |
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| 22:59 | < EvilDarkLord> | Which call to setTimeOut is it that's failing? |
| 22:59 | < EvilDarkLord> | Or being complained about, anyway. |
| 22:59 | < EvilDarkLord> | Both, the one in start_timer or the one in set_timer? |
| 23:00 | < Vornicus> | Both. |
| 23:01 | < Vornicus> | Aha |
| 23:02 | < Vornicus> | Okay, so, the reason it's not actually getting the problem line prepared and stuff is because start_timer is getting called before those things happen. |
| 23:02 | < Vornicus> | Which means that whatever is happening in start timer that is screwing it up is stopping the execution of current scripts. |
| 23:03 | < TheWatcher> | This is a complete stab in the dark, but have you tried sticking 'var' before the variables at the start of drill.js? |
| 23:04 | < Vornicus> | Trying it! |
| 23:05 | < EvilDarkLord> | JS has globals unless otherwise noted? |
| 23:05 | < Vornicus> | GLobals unless otherwise noted, yes. |
| 23:05 | < Vornicus> | though those are supposed to be globals anyway. |
| 23:05 | < Vornicus> | Nope, that's not it. |
| 23:06 | < Vornicus> | Man, I just don't get it at all. |
| 23:07 | < celticminstrel> | What is "otherwise noted"? Declaring it with var? |
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| 23:10 | < Vornicus> | Yes. |
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| 23:12 | < Vornicus> | Okay. By making the setTimeout the last thing it does in each function I can make it so everything "works" |
| 23:12 | < Vornicus> | But there's still a shitton of errors happening. |
| 23:18 | < Vornicus> | (to be specific it gives 3000 errors/minute when running at full speed. Hoo-fuckin'-ray.) |
| 23:20 | < TheWatcher> | Sheesh |
| 23:20 | < TheWatcher> | hmm |
| 23:20 | | * TheWatcher brings the atomic batteries to power, turbines to speed |
| 23:23 | < Vornicus> | Oh, wait, I think I know what it might be. |
| 23:24 | < TheWatcher> | Hmm |
| 23:25 | < Vornicus> | Yes, got it. |
| 23:25 | < TheWatcher> | What was it? |
| 23:25 | < Vornicus> | Apparently IE was interpreting timer as the same as document.getElementById("timer") |
| 23:25 | < TheWatcher> | ... |
| 23:26 | | * TheWatcher facepalm |
| 23:26 | < Vornicus> | Yeah. |
| 23:26 | < Vornicus> | Anyway. |
| 23:27 | < Vornicus> | Now that that's fixed, I can get on with life. |
| 23:27 | < TheWatcher> | Well, woot for finding it! |
| 23:28 | | * TheWatcher returns to poking at circle drawing |
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