| --- Log opened Fri Feb 25 00:00:35 2011 |
| 00:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | As far as I can tell, here is the easy way: |
| 00:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | - boot windows liveCD |
| 00:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | - copy old /home to new /home using robocopy. Don't forget to exclude juction points or it will create an infinitely-sized copy with broken permissions that can pretty much only be deleted from linux. |
| 00:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | - use dir to create a list of all junction points in the old /home |
| 00:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | - recreate these in the new /home. Note that you're still in the windows livecd here - no bash to help you. |
| 00:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | - remove old /home |
| 00:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | - junction new /home to old /home |
| 00:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | - reboot |
| 00:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | - shoot self |
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| 00:25 | <@McMartin> | Windows is not a Standard POSIX system, and if you try to make it act like one, by, for instance, using junction points at all, you are asking for endless pain and suffering. |
| 00:25 | <@McMartin> | You shouldn't be using your user profile at all except when forced by applications in this model, really. |
| 00:25 | | Vornicus-Latens is now known as Vornicus |
| 00:26 | <@McMartin> | (Also, you don't have bash, but you do have Windows PowerShell~) |
| 00:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | (not in the recovery console you don't) |
| 00:29 | <@McMartin> | (oh, right~) |
| 00:29 | <@McMartin> | Also, um |
| 00:29 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 00:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Re: junction points: that would carry more weight if windows didn't use them all over the fucking place, which is part of the problem here |
| 00:29 | <@McMartin> | Why are you mounting stuff inside /home |
| 00:29 | <@McMartin> | Er, junction points or reparse points? |
| 00:30 | <@McMartin> | Reparse points map to ln -s, junction points map to "mount" |
| 00:30 | <@McMartin> | I also assume your "/home" here is C:\Users |
| 00:30 | <@McMartin> | I'm not sure if that's what you mean either. |
| 00:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Re: not using the user profile: the issue here is that all well-behaved programs store their stuff in there, and that's also where My Documents etc is, and that's stuff I don't want on the system drive for both safety and space reasons. |
| 00:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes, by /home I mean C:/Users |
| 00:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | And by junction points I mean junction points |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also, at least according to dir and mklink, the terms are "junction point" and "symlink" and "reparse point" covers both. |
| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | I am genuinely curious why you have junction points in C:\Users because I've used stock explorer copy on this since XPSP0. |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because Vista/7 creates a shitload of junction points in there automatically for compatibility with older, poorly-written programs |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Like junctioning $HOME/Application Data/ to $HOME/AppData/Roaming |
| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | Um |
| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | I literally have never seen this |
| 00:33 | <@McMartin> | Is this something your vendor's shovelware is adding or something? |
| 00:33 | <@McMartin> | Neither Astatine nor my work machine has these visible. |
| 00:33 | <@McMartin> | They do not show up on directory queries even if I make direct calls to ntdll.dll to find them. |
| 00:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...no, this is a standard feature of win7 |
| 00:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Do a "dir /s /al" on $HOME sometime |
| 00:34 | <@McMartin> | Interesting. |
| 00:34 | <@McMartin> | I see them, but only then. |
| 00:35 | <@McMartin> | If I get any closer to NTFS than that I see no evidence of them. |
| 00:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Huh. |
| 00:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...:wtc: |
| 00:35 | <@McMartin> | Or, for that matter, any further away: "start $HOME" with "show me *everything*" on doesn't show them. |
| 00:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | So the windows downloader finally finished downloading my free MSDNAA copy of Win7 Pro |
| 00:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Download size: 16GB |
| 00:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Unpacked size: 3.1GB |
| 00:37 | <@McMartin> | That said |
| 00:37 | <@McMartin> | I routinely do stock Explorer copies of $HOME to backup disks, and they behave appropriately as well. |
| 00:37 | < Tamber> | ToxicFrog, ...negative compression? o_O |
| 00:37 | <@McMartin> | What are you doing that's the equivalent of cp -r with transparently-follow-symlinks on? |
| 00:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: "behave appropriately" in what sense? |
| 00:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | And, um |
| 00:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm not |
| 00:38 | <@Vornicus> | THe download includes such things as asian fonts. |
| 00:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because some of these junctions are circular |
| 00:38 | <@McMartin> | That's my point |
| 00:38 | <@McMartin> | You have "taking care to avoid X" |
| 00:38 | <@McMartin> | I'm not even sure how to ask for X. |
| 00:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 00:38 | <@McMartin> | Because the "obvious" ways to do things avoid X as a matter of course |
| 00:39 | <@McMartin> | (Alternately, Win7 is compatibility-shimming cmd.exe here and not explorer.exe) |
| 00:39 | <@McMartin> | (And thus making, say, NtQueryInformationFile return phantom links) |
| 00:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | "robocopy" (the replacement for the now-deprecated xcopy) will default to following symlinks and junction points and thus break horribly. |
| 00:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | The /XJ option to it causes it to omit junction points entirely. |
| 00:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Explorer, AFAICT, also follows. |
| 00:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | I cannot find any way to copy JPs/symlinks as themselves. |
| 00:41 | <@McMartin> | "Ditto" is what you'd need for that. |
| 00:41 | <@McMartin> | That's OS X's, because cp follows. |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | (that said, I have found an easier way, looks like - "go back in time, edit the system configuration to change the location new profiles will be created in before creating your profile, then create your profile") |
| 00:42 | <@McMartin> | Ah, does 7 let you do that for the whole profile? |
| 00:42 | <@McMartin> | XP, if memory served, only let you set My Documents's location that way. |
| 00:43 | <@McMartin> | This still doesn't solve your other problem, which is that I suspect you also want C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86) to be junctioned. |
| 00:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Not officially. |
| 00:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | There's a setting somewhere (registry?) that basically defines where C:\Users\ is |
| 00:44 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, I was going to say "This is Windows. If there's a well-defined registry key that controls it, it's official." |
| 00:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | But it only works reliably for profiles created after it was modified, and thus is best set during installation or, failing that, before you create any real user accounts. |
| 00:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | And no, I don't care about Program Files. |
| 00:44 | <@McMartin> | Well, yes. |
| 00:46 | <@McMartin> | Unless you're doing something *seriously* why-are-you-using-Windows-here with your system you should not have any ACLs specific to a user on the system, and so creating a new primary user, copying data over via Explorer, and nuking the old profile ought to suffice |
| 00:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, I'm reinstalling windows anyways |
| 00:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | So that'll pretty much happen as a natural side effect of the process |
| 00:47 | <@McMartin> | fair |
| 00:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | But I find it sorely vexing that there's basically no way to safely relocate a user profile directory after it's created |
| 00:48 | <@McMartin> | Profiles also aren't inherited, but I know of no system where they are. |
| 00:48 | <@McMartin> | It does seem to be the default expectation though. |
| 00:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Inherited? |
| 00:49 | <@McMartin> | "If you change stuff in the default profile that the end user hasn't changed, they do not get these changes applied retroactively" |
| 00:50 | <@McMartin> | Which is to say, a user's profile does not have the entry "whatever the default profile currently is" for settings they haven't messed with, or, indeed, available as an option at all. |
| 00:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 00:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hrm. I don't suppose you know offhand how (if?) one configures these settings pre-install. |
| 00:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | There was a tool for doing that to XP install images (nlite) but I can't find a win7 equivalent. |
| 00:52 | <@McMartin> | I've never had to do it myself, no. My interaction with this on XP involved obliterating those changes once we switched to providing what you want via other means. |
| 00:52 | <@McMartin> | (Strong and transparent segregation of user, app, and system data is one of our major selling points~) |
| 00:53 | <@McMartin> | (But it does via providing something that looks more like a union mount.) |
| 00:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | (that's basically exactly what I'm going for here, but since I use this machine for gaming I don't think virtualization is a viable approach~) |
| 00:53 | <@McMartin> | (I'm the project lead for this thing. Union mounts on Windows are Not A Toy.) |
| 00:54 | <@McMartin> | There's no intrinsic reason this stuff couldn't run on a host, but it shouldn't because the problem space for Windows is too complex to be "safe" outside of a virtual environment. |
| 00:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, I think I'm just going to have to install normally, use a dummy profile, change the default profile location, create my real profile, and try to prevent things from installing for All Users. |
| 00:56 | <@McMartin> | (By which I mean "I spend my half my time on this hip-deep in the kind of compatibility-with-poorly-written-applications stuff that's driving you up the wall, and so once you got what you were going for you'd have a new set of very similar and equally aggravating problems~) |
| 00:56 | <@McMartin> | Er |
| 00:56 | <@McMartin> | You do want it to install for all users for most apps, because that's dictating where uninstallation info &c goes |
| 00:56 | <@McMartin> | If /usr is on your main system disk, most apps should be "all users" |
| 00:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | Um |
| 00:57 | <@McMartin> | Well, so |
| 00:57 | <@McMartin> | Also, it's not called that anymore in 7 |
| 00:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | The problem with "install for all users" is that then it dumps a bunch of its bits in C:/Users/Public |
| 00:57 | <@McMartin> | ... OK, we may be talking different things. |
| 00:57 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which then go away forever when C: gets erased |
| 00:57 | <@McMartin> | I'm thinking of the stuff that now goes in C:\ProgramData |
| 00:58 | <@McMartin> | And if C: gets erased, C:\ProgramData\Foo should go because C:\Program Files\Foo is going too |
| 00:58 | <@McMartin> | Stuff like your personal settings ought to still be in D:\Users\TF\AppData\Roaming\Foo |
| 00:59 | <@McMartin> | (And I think you're still going to get screwed by the registry stuff unless you can also get HKEY_CURRENT_USER's hive to be on D: as well; this is beyond my ken) |
| 00:59 | <@McMartin> | (That might be handled by the profile location switch, though) |
| 00:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | (I think that that gets stored in $HOME automatically, regardless of where $HOME is) |
| 01:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | And, yeah, what I mean by the "all users" thing is |
| 01:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Say I install a game, it gives me the option of "all users" or "just me". |
| 01:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | If I choose the former, it puts its start menu entries, desktop entries, etc in C:/Users/Public rather than in $HOME. |
| 01:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | I still see them, but they go away when C: does. |
| 01:00 | <@McMartin> | Aaah. |
| 01:01 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, I'm used to "Just me" meaning "I don't install into Program Files at all" |
| 01:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Note that the game doesn't go away, because it's installed on F:. |
| 01:01 | <@McMartin> | "But instead into $HOME" |
| 01:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 01:01 | <@McMartin> | We are in fact talking past each other here. |
| 01:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, IME, in typical installer usage, "all users vs just me" is "should I put my desktop shortcuts etc in your personal profile or in the shared-by-everyone profile" |
| 01:02 | <@McMartin> | Right. |
| 01:02 | <@McMartin> | I think you might still have wacky interactions with Add/Remove Programs if you nuked C:, but if you put it on F in the first place you didn't intend to uninstall it anyhow. |
| 01:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah. |
| 01:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Not everything will survive an OS reinstall, but a lot of stuff will if the user settings and user registry are intact. |
| 01:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | And IME, the win7 add/remove is a lot more robust than the winXP one, and if it gets confused will just outright ask "so, is this actually installed or not" |
| 01:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | My underlying goals here are pretty simple: |
| 01:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | - when I destroy windows, I don't want my save files, configurations, and custom shortcuts to go along with it |
| 01:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | - I don't want multiple gigabytes of saves and whatnot stored on C:, especially considering how space-hungry win7 is |
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| 01:07 | <@McMartin> | (re: add/remove) Yeah, it is (since Vista, really), but I'd predict the reverse problem |
| 01:07 | <@McMartin> | That is, the stuff installed on F would no longer appear in Add/Remove Programs post-wipe |
| 01:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, but as you noted, I'm not planning to uninstall it anyways. |
| 01:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | And in general I take the attitude that if it's not in add/remove, I can safely delete it by hand, an so far this has worked, so. |
| 01:08 | | * McMartin nods |
| 01:08 | <@McMartin> | Anything for which this isn't true Should Not Be Installed To F |
| 01:09 | <@McMartin> | Alternately, cannot be |
| 01:09 | <@McMartin> | Since it's likely in that case to have a system extension component like a device driver or a software service |
| 01:09 | | * ToxicFrog nods |
| 01:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | As a general rule, utilities get installed to C:, and anything "systemy" (mostly Cygwin, Daemon-Tools, and the virus scanner du jour) always does. |
| 01:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...huh. It occurs to me that at this point my Steam install has outlived four operating systems. |
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| 01:14 | <@McMartin> | Heh |
| 01:14 | <@McMartin> | Wait. |
| 01:14 | <@McMartin> | When did you *start*? |
| 01:15 | < Alek> | it FINALLY finished installing. |
| 01:16 | < Alek> | it took about an hour to download the complete update pack, almost a gig... via WU, just had to fix WU's temp files first. |
| 01:16 | < Alek> | then about an hour to let it run the install. |
| 01:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Late 2003, and at that point I still had a win98 partition. |
| 01:16 | < Alek> | it's waiting to reboot now. |
| 01:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Since then, the same /Games/Steam directory has gone through 2k, XP, and 7. |
| 01:16 | < Alek> | what'd I miss of this convo? |
| 01:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Lots of discussion concerning where windows keeps user profiles, pretty much. |
| 01:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | And the discovery that the 16GB Windows 7 Professional download contains a single 3GB ISO and nothing else. |
| 01:21 | < Alek> | O_o |
| 01:21 | | * Alek twitches. |
| 01:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah. |
| 01:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | It sat there downloading for a few hours, pulling down an even 16GB of data and stuffing it all onto the disk. |
| 01:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Then it "unpacked" for a while. |
| 01:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | And when it was done? |
| 01:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | ben@leela ~/Desktop/Windows 7 Professional (x64) - DVD (English) $ ls -ltrh |
| 01:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | total 3.1G |
| 01:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | -rwx------ 1 ben ben 3.1G Aug 6 2009 en_windows_7_professional_x64_dvd_X15-65805.iso |
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| 01:33 | | * Alek coughs. |
| 01:33 | | * Alek suspects DRM was included in the package, and/or rootkits. |
| 01:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Er? |
| 01:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | To clarify, this download was from MS themselves |
| 01:34 | < Tamber> | 12GB of rootkits/DRM? Wow, they really can't optimise! ;) |
| 01:34 | < Alek> | like I said. |
| 01:34 | <@McMartin> | Also, this is an archive. |
| 01:34 | < Alek> | to prevent you from making pirate copies. |
| 01:34 | < Alek> | etc. |
| 01:34 | <@McMartin> | Archives have documented formats and would show up in the list |
| 01:34 | < Alek> | mmeh. |
| 01:34 | < Alek> | welp, time to reboot. |
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| 01:34 | < Tamber> | McMartin, shhhhhh, you're ruining the tinfoil hat moment. |
| 01:35 | < Tamber> | :) |
| 01:35 | <@McMartin> | I am honestly curious what zip -l thinks of the initial download. |
| 01:35 | <@McMartin> | Tamber: I resent being forced to defend MS~ |
| 01:35 | <@McMartin> | (With a handful of exceptions where being VMS-derived instead of Unix derived genuinely has made my life easier) |
| 01:35 | <@McMartin> | (Which is, uh, maybe two places) |
| 01:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: no idea, because (a) it's some wacky custom format documented nowhere on earth and (b) the downloader deleted it as soon as it was unpacked. |
| 01:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | My best guess is that despite me requesting "Windows 7, Professional, 64-bit, English", it actually downloads all of the different versions of windows I'm allowed to have, unpacks the one I asked for, and deletes the rest. |
| 01:37 | <@McMartin> | Mmm. Plausible. |
| 01:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or possibly it contains all of the language packs and parts for them and generates the iso on the fly. |
| 01:37 | <@McMartin> | (Our corp MSDN stuff comes in bundles of physical discs) |
| 01:37 | <@Vornicus> | Pi described that as the case once. |
| 01:38 | <@Vornicus> | They master one disc with everything and then assemble the appropriate version by figuring out what the license key says it wants. |
| 01:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | (I can order physical discs if I want, but I'd rather have the disc image) |
| 01:39 | <@McMartin> | (Aha) |
| 01:39 | <@McMartin> | Time to go deal with terrible rush-hour traffic. |
| 01:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Good luck. |
| 01:40 | <@McMartin> | New trenchcoat, for less than factory outlet prices \o/ |
| 01:41 | <@McMartin> | It turns out shopping slightly more upscale than I usually do is cheaper if you have a competent incident commander and pick the right times. |
| 01:42 | <@McMartin> | (For the record, the two places Windows beats alternatives I've worked with are: Named Pipes are marginally easier to use than domain sockets and kick the shit out of FIFOs; and their filter-based driver model has permitted a lot of unusually clean architecture when I'm at that level) |
| 01:43 | <@McMartin> | (The latter was basically dictated by being full-lockdown closed-source, but the resulting gain in encapsulation and modularity was admirable) |
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| 01:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | (my experience with windows named pipes has been that they are vastly inferior to FIFOs - at least, for the same purpose - by virtue of the fact that you can't treat them like normal files) |
| 01:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | (they seem to be more like named network sockets than anything else) |
| 01:46 | <@McMartin> | (Yes; they don't replace FIFOs directly; they replace domain sockets) |
| 01:47 | <@McMartin> | (But you can give them strings for names instead of shorts in a global namespace -_-) |
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| 01:47 | <@McMartin> | (There are ways to name them in the FS too, but dealing with that has tended to cause me more headaches than otherwise) |
| 01:48 | <@McMartin> | (They can be made to provide marginally better guarantees about atomicity of perceived packet receipt) |
| 01:48 | <@McMartin> | (If you have something where a simple FIFO *is* the best choice, yeah, it's going to beat it out) |
| 01:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | (Yeah, my complaint is not so much "they suck" as "they aren't actually useful as a replacement for FIFOs, despite the similarity in names") |
| 01:48 | <@McMartin> | (Every time I've considered FIFOs I've always needed full duplex ;_;) |
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| 02:13 | | * Alek arghs and stabs WU. |
| 02:13 | < Alek> | while it worked on this PC, it's still not working on the other one. |
| 02:14 | < Alek> | I'm just gonna download it direct. |
| 02:14 | < Alek> | but now there's a question. |
| 02:15 | < Alek> | besides the DVD, the 64 bit, and the x86 versions, the latter 2 are subdivided into CHK and FRE .msi's and an .exe, each. |
| 02:16 | < Alek> | the .exe is bigger than the CHK and FRE .msi's put together, for each of the bitversions. so I'd rather just download the .msi I need. |
| 02:16 | < Alek> | the problem is... what does CHK and FRE mean? |
| 02:17 | <@McMartin> | Debug and Release build, respectively. |
| 02:17 | <@McMartin> | "checked" and "free" |
| 02:17 | < Alek> | hrm. |
| 02:17 | < Alek> | so basically, the newest and the most stable? |
| 02:18 | < Alek> | and why, then, is the .exe about 3x the size of an .msi? |
| 02:18 | <@McMartin> | No idea what their exes are. |
| 02:18 | < Alek> | ok, it's actually 3x for the 64bit. x86 is less than 2x. |
| 02:19 | <@McMartin> | You want FRE, though. |
| 02:19 | <@McMartin> | CHK will be slower and larger |
| 02:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Alek: not "newest and most stable"; "with and without debugging information" |
| 02:19 | <@McMartin> | And is only of use if you're using a kernel debugger. |
| 02:19 | < Alek> | er. |
| 02:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | The former is useful only if you are a developer. |
| 02:19 | < Alek> | actually. something interesting. |
| 02:19 | < Alek> | the FRE version is actually the bigger one, for both. |
| 02:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also, my guess would be that the exes include the MSI installer installer |
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| 03:16 | < Alek> | .... |
| 03:16 | < Alek> | the .msi's were actually "debugging symbols"... both versions. |
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| 04:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok. |
| 04:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | sda1 purged of data. |
| 04:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Let's do this. |
| 05:00 | | * ToxicFrog takes ownership of everything in F:/Games as he should have done last time he installed windows. |
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| 06:03 | <@McMartin> | Ah yes. |
| 06:03 | <@McMartin> | Security isn't optional anymore~ |
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| 18:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: the underlying issue is that it assigns ownership by uuid and uuids do not match across installs of windows even if the usernames do. Last time I got around this by wielding chmod haphazardly as problems arose. This time I'm doing it properly. |
| 19:39 | | * Alek stabs 7. |
| 19:39 | < Alek> | how do I change ownership, again? |
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| 19:55 | < Namegduf> | WorM |
| 19:55 | < Namegduf> | WorM5RedControl8 |
| 19:56 | < Stalker> | ? |
| 20:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Alek: right-click the file or directory, security, advanced, ownership, change ownership |
| 20:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | upgrade to win7: complete |
| 20:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Looks like everything came across fine, too |
| 20:11 | < Alek> | also works with whole drive, looks like. |
| 20:12 | < gnolam> | There's also takeown, which is the Windows equivalent of chown. |
| 20:13 | < Alek> | ok, 6 drives owned. |
| 20:35 | < Namegduf> | ..crap. |
| 20:35 | < Namegduf> | That was a password. |
| 20:35 | < Namegduf> | I need to change it now. |
| 20:35 | < Namegduf> | Stupid thing. |
| 20:35 | < Namegduf> | (I made it from the combination of a bunch of names, heh) |
| 20:36 | < Namegduf> | Not a password for anything remotely accessible, at least. |
| 20:37 | < Namegduf> | Screen died and I thought it was stuck locked. |
| 20:53 | < gnolam> | That's ok. For us, it came out as ****************. |
| 20:57 | < Tamber> | -chuckles- |
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| 23:49 | <@McMartin> | Mmm. Things that are good feelings: |
| 23:49 | <@McMartin> | Spending a while researching libraries for how to best approach a problem, and discovering eventually that the whole thing is a simple one-liner. |
| --- Log closed Sat Feb 26 00:00:36 2011 |