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| 01:07 | < Alek> | :O |
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| 04:26 | | * celticminstrel sighs. |
| 04:26 | < celticminstrel> | And again Chrome decides to mangle my tab history. |
| 04:29 | < gnolam> | Honestly. Everything to do with Chrome is filed under my own personal tech support category as "Your own goddamned fault" |
| 04:32 | < celticminstrel> | ... |
| 04:35 | < gnolam> | Is true, da. |
| 04:37 | < gnolam> | It's a bit too scary a browser to use personally, and, well, they don't exactly offer enterprise-level support for the regular peons either. |
| 04:48 | <@McMartin> | Which is sad, because I like WebKit a lot but there are no other remotely feasible Windows browsers that use it. |
| 04:49 | < celticminstrel> | I'm honestly not sure which is better between Chrome and Firefox. Each has its annoying things and its really nice things. |
| 04:49 | < gnolam> | Well, there's Safar... ahahahahaha |
| 04:49 | <@McMartin> | gnolam: Might as well call out the new Steam client, man~ |
| 04:49 | < celticminstrel> | Safari is more annoying than Chrome. |
| 04:50 | <@Derakon> | I take it you're an Opera fiend, then? |
| 04:50 | <@McMartin> | Me? No |
| 04:50 | <@Derakon> | I was talking to Gnolam. |
| 04:50 | < celticminstrel> | It doesn't even have "Reopen last closed tab" or automatic session restore. |
| 04:50 | <@McMartin> | I use Chrome and FIrefox |
| 04:50 | | * Vornicus uses Chrome on both Mac and Windows. |
| 04:50 | <@Derakon> | I use Firefox. |
| 04:50 | | * McMartin uses Safari on Macs, mainly because FF at the time he got his Mac was HORRIBLE |
| 04:51 | < gnolam> | Strangely enough, even despite Opera having an office around here (where quite a few people I know work), no. |
| 04:51 | < celticminstrel> | I have all three installed on this computer. Mainly I'm using Chrome. |
| 05:05 | | * Namegduf uses Chrome, because he's fussy about UI speed. Supposedly Firefox 3.7 is better. |
| 05:06 | <@McMartin> | Namegduf: It is, but Chrome or, really, anything WebKit, will always be better still. |
| 05:06 | <@McMartin> | Mozilla's whole extensible-UI thing is predicated on major chunks of the code being written in, effectively, JavaScript |
| 05:06 | < Namegduf> | Yeah. |
| 05:07 | <@McMartin> | That said, the bear can dance now. |
| 05:07 | < Namegduf> | I also recently dropped Thunderbird, so their stuff is disappearing. |
| 05:07 | < Namegduf> | It wasn't out of any outright hate, I just needed a more lightweight thing for my netbook, so setup Claws Mail on that, and found it did pretty much the same job, but much, much more responsively. |
| 05:07 | < celticminstrel> | I just upgraded Thunderbird to 3. |
| 05:08 | <@McMartin> | I've been trying to migrate my parents off of Eudora. ;_; |
| 05:08 | <@Vornicus> | McM: what the shit |
| 05:09 | <@McMartin> | They're also still on dialup. |
| 05:09 | <@McMartin> | Some of this is "we need to retain the email address because it's published in important physical books", but. |
| 05:13 | < celticminstrel> | My computer is unresponsive way too often. It's starting to get annoying. <_< |
| 05:15 | < celticminstrel> | I'd blame it on Chrome or Thunderbird, but it doesn't just happen with them. |
| 05:16 | <@Vornicus> | celticminstrel: hangups are most commonly caused by hitting swap. |
| 05:17 | < celticminstrel> | , that's what I was suspecting. |
| 05:18 | < celticminstrel> | ^Yeah |
| 05:18 | < celticminstrel> | Which is why I'm making plans to install more RAM. |
| 05:19 | <@Vornicus> | Look in your task manager/activity monitor to see what's eating your ram. |
| 05:23 | < celticminstrel> | Chrome is using a whole lot. |
| 05:23 | < celticminstrel> | Between 15 processes. |
| 05:23 | < celticminstrel> | Next seems to be Thunderbird. |
| 05:23 | <@Vornicus> | Chrome is known for using rather a bit of RAM. |
| 05:24 | < celticminstrel> | And then Colloquy. |
| 05:24 | < celticminstrel> | 230 MB for one if its renderer subprocesses! |
| 05:24 | < celticminstrel> | ^of |
| 05:25 | <@Vornicus> | Chrome has its own task manager to let you see what page is eating 230MB. |
| 05:25 | < celticminstrel> | That sounds like it could be useful. |
| 05:26 | <@Vornicus> | on Mac: view -> developer -> task manager |
| 05:44 | <@Vornicus> | Things I hate: being an interface nazi and not really knowing enough about any GUI system to actually pull off an interface! |
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| 05:49 | <@McMartin> | Vorn: I suggest qt4 |
| 05:51 | < celticminstrel> | My preference is wxWidgets, though admittedly I have yet to truly delve into its depths. |
| 05:52 | <@McMartin> | My usual claim about wx is that it's less of a widget library and more of a test suite for compiler error messages |
| 05:53 | < celticminstrel> | Um. Okay. |
| 05:53 | < celticminstrel> | I recall it working perfectly fine for me. |
| 05:53 | < celticminstrel> | Well. |
| 05:53 | < celticminstrel> | Maybe not perfectly when actually compiling wxWidgets, but once it was compiled I don't think I had any problems. |
| 05:54 | <@McMartin> | I literally could not get Hello World to compile by copypasting their own documentation out. |
| 05:54 | <@McMartin> | Its handling of Unicode is disastrous, especially on older Linux systems. |
| 05:54 | < celticminstrel> | I think I got Hello World to compile. |
| 05:55 | <@Derakon> | Thoughts on this map? http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/games/jbrl/handmaps/3-fortresspartial.png |
| 05:55 | < celticminstrel> | Fortunately for BoE I'm not concerned about Unicode. |
| 05:55 | <@McMartin> | Not what I mean |
| 05:55 | <@Derakon> | (The thought is to try making a map for Jetblade by hand, and see how that works out, since the procedural generation thing is currently stalled) |
| 05:55 | < celticminstrel> | And for other stuff... well, I'll deal with that when it comes up. |
| 05:55 | <@McMartin> | I mean that in Gentoo, you had to compile wx with flags that matched glibc and gtk's flags, and the resulting binaries couldn't co-exist |
| 05:56 | <@McMartin> | You also had to put macros around every string in the program or it wouldn't compile or if it did it would segfault immediately on program start |
| 05:56 | <@McMartin> | And at the time basically no wx apps I wanted to install did this and were set wrong |
| 05:56 | <@McMartin> | Gentoo's response was "lol, guess you don't get to install this, because we won't let you have two versions of wx" |
| 05:57 | < Tarinaky> | Derakon: Looks like it'll take forever to make :/ |
| 05:57 | < Tarinaky> | Derakon: But then, I am lazy. |
| 05:57 | <@Derakon> | Tarinaky: well, I have ways of speeding up the mechanical bits of mapgen. |
| 05:57 | <@Derakon> | I have the engine already made. |
| 05:58 | <@Vornicus> | ...oh, that's why it's hosted by nokia. |
| 05:58 | <@Vornicus> | Nokia /does/ QT. |
| 05:58 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, Nokia bought out Trolltech some years ago. |
| 05:58 | <@McMartin> | That's why it's LGPL now~ |
| 06:05 | < celticminstrel> | Well, I'm on Mac, and it works for me. |
| 06:05 | <@Derakon> | (Plan for speeding up map generation: take the hand-drawn map, scale and pixelize it, map each pixel to a tile in-game, run it through a smoothing algorithm) |
| 06:05 | < celticminstrel> | So that's good enough for now. |
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| 06:40 | <@Vornicus> | wheeee, installing 1.6GB of sdk etc |
| 06:50 | | * Vornicus wanders around in QT Designer, tries to determine what he's looking at. |
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| 07:44 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Derakon[AFK]: that looks pretty cool |
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| 08:02 | <@Vornicus> | How to tell a shitty programming language in one line of code. |
| 08:02 | <@Vornicus> | foo = 5 + "10 Little Piggies"; // --> 15 |
| 08:03 | <@jerith> | Weak typing! |
| 08:04 | <@Vornicus> | (as opposed to "510 Little Piggies", or "Type Error") |
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| 09:13 | <@Vornicus> | [Fri 04:10:34] <Vornicus> ssbr_: this is the problem! The osx port has been discontinued because it is extremely out of date, and I am trying to get it to build to see how much of it I can fix. |
| 09:13 | <@Vornicus> | [Fri 04:11:00] <ssbr_> Vornicus: you have to fix it to build it, not the other way around |
| 09:13 | <@Vornicus> | [Fri 04:11:47] <Vornicus> ssbr_: no, I have to chicken it to egg it. |
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| 11:39 | < Zed> | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227394 |
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| 17:12 | | * Vornicus examines. Okay, ottd builds on my machine. But it used to make a full on app bundle. |
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| 18:14 | < RichardBarrell> | Vornicus: wasn't there some major drama with ottd lately about OS X support? |
| 18:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh hey |
| 18:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Since I last worked here, we've started using -Werror as the default |
| 18:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | YAY |
| 18:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | We've also finally buried the machine level debugger in favour of remote gdb. |
| 18:34 | < celticminstrel> | What does -Werror do again? Treat warnings as errors? |
| 18:35 | < Namegduf> | Yes. |
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| 18:41 | | * Derakon sighs, starts adding this documentation line to multiple functions: |
| 18:41 | <@Derakon> | ## No idea what this is for. |
| 18:42 | <@Derakon> | And the diff for a file that was originally 931 lines is 1305 lines long. |
| 18:42 | <@Derakon> | Yay! |
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| 18:47 | | * Derakon just checks it in without bothering to read the diff. |
| 18:47 | <@Derakon> | Livin' on the edge~ |
| 18:47 | <@Derakon> | (It's almost certainly broken *somehow*, but as long as I don't push a broken version to the remote repo, I don't really care) |
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| 18:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | DCVS 4 life |
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| 18:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | God, perforce is slow. |
| 18:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | I mean, yes, I'm syncing two years of history on a large project, and the git/p4 bridge isn't blazingly efficient, but even so |
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| 20:32 | <@Vornicus> | RichardBarrell: dunno about /drama/, but they don't have a mac maintainer any more. |
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